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I don't think the v8 is fast enough...

Sal Collaziano

Sal Collaziano

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Now before you rip me a new you know what - hear me out...

So far, we've seen a v6 run to 60mph in 6.1 seconds.. We can only assume that the v8 will do slightly better than 5.7 seconds. However, if it doesn't - than why opt for the v8?

Like with the Lexus GS350 and GS460, there's almost no difference in the 0-60 and quarter mile times.. The real difference is in the smoothness of the engine. However, it's not a whole lot smoother. The Lexus v8 is slightly quieter than their v6 - and only because the direct injection makes a slight ticking noise... The v8 GS is about $10k more than the V6 version. A bigger difference than that of the two Hyundai Genesis versions.

So we're going to have to see where the advantages are for the Tau v8. If it's only .4 seconds, why pay more and use more gas?
 
I see what you're saying. I can't for the life of me figure out why the V8 isn't quicker. It's still a respectable time (and faster than 90% of the cars on the road), but it should be around a full second faster than the V6 IMO. I believe the V8's ZF transmission also has tighter gear ratios than the V6's Aisin unit.

Power to weight ratio:
V6: 12.9 lbs. per hp
V8: 10.6 lbs. per hp

Something just isn't adding up. I think most of the numbers from the tests so far were from driving preproduction models. I'm hoping future test numbers in C&D and R&T will be in the 5.0-5.3 second range.

Still, keep in mind that 5.6-5.7 seconds is still as quicker or quicker than many more expensive cars (M45, STS V8, etc.), and still in the same range as the G8 GT, which has MUCH more torque.
 
The Chrysler 300C, a heavy car, does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds with 345 horsepower. But I agree, 5.7 IS fast. And there's no real need to go faster. But I'm not talking about that... I'm just trying to justify the v8.. Should it exist at all if it's only going to be a tiny bit more powerful than the v6?

I understand that, in this segment, there's a need for a powerful v8. But at least make it substantially more powerful than the v6...

Like you mentioned, I have a feeling people will have better success with 0-60 and 1/4 mile times once the car is on the road...
 
One of the only differences that seems to differentiate the V8 besides the ZF transmission is the electronicaly assisted steering which is reported to give better tactile feel. But so far the V6 is looking strong.
 
To me the 6.1 seconds 0-60 number for the V6 is astounding. I wonder if it can be trusted. Local dealers have told me 6.5 to 6.9 seconds 0-60 for the V6.

My dealer told me that 5.2 - 5.3, definitely under 5.5 seconds 0-60 for the V8 is more accurate. That sounds about right to me. The Pontiac G8 GXP next year is supposed to do 4.8 seconds 0-60 with 402 horsepower, and it weighs more than the Genesis. Do you know where these numbers are coming from?

Does anyone know the epa gas mileage for the V6? My dealer quoted the EPA mileage for the V8 at 17 city 24 highway. He just got back from the V6 school and he didn't get the EPA mileage for the V6.

The V6 is sounding better and better all the time. I was going to buy the V8 but the V6 is really impressing the heck out of me.
 
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I can only give you my seat of the pants impressions, as I have not done any instrumented testing, but my V6 Genesis is fast. Believe me when I say it is every bit as fast as my GS430. If the Azera can do 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, I see no reason why the slightly heavier, but more powerful Genesis equipped w/ a 6-speed auto can't at least match that time. (Source: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rs/2006_hyundai_azera_se_short_take_road_test )

In addition, the power-to-weight ratio for the Azera is 13.9 lbs. per hp. The Genesis has a more favorable ratio of 12.9 lbs. per hp. Of course, none of this explains why the V8 isn't quite as fast as one would expect looking at the numbers.

Still, I have no regrets going with the V6. Of course I will test the V8 when it comes out, and I may even decide to upgrade my V6 brakes to the awesome larger diameter rotors and 4-piston calipers found on the V8. For now though, I'm quite happy with the amount of power on tap (and the fuel economy). I'm also pleased that my insurance only went up by $4/year compared to my previous daily driver (3 year old Honda Pilot). Something tells me the V8 will be quite a bit more than the V6 to insure. ;)

....sorry for getting a bit off-topic.
 
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I agree on questioning the value of paying that much more for the V-8 since the speed difference does not appear to be huge.

If only the options were not packaged.... I would love to get the V-6 Pack 4 with just four additional items from the V-8:

(1) "Ultra Premium" leather
(2) Chrome lower bodyside moldings
(3) Wood trimmed steering wheel
(4) Power rear sunshade (is that really not on the V-6 w/tech???
 
The V6 has the power rear sunshade. It comes w/ the Premium Package. :)

Al things considered, I think the V8 is a great value if having the fastest Genesis on the market is important to you. It's only $2k more, and includes a few more niceties.
 
You have to remember that different magazines use different measuring techniques and protocols. Car and Driver consistently reports acceleration times about 0.3 to 0.5 seconds times faster than Edmunds.com.

Also, large, properly designed engines use their superior low RPM power to have big advantages from a rolling start. I bet that even if the V8 is only half a second faster to 60 mph from a standing start, in a lead-footed highway passing maneuver it probably blows the V6 away.
 
Just an FYI, I don't think the Azera does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds...... I think Car and Driver made a mistake. And unless I'm mistaken, wasn't the v8 already tested to do 0-60 in 5.7? It's probably not going to get a whole lot better than that...
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I realize C&D & R&T get the fastest published times for a car. They got 5.6 for the Genesis V8 though.
 
Has anyone heard any updates as to when the V-8 Genesis will be showing up? I have had some local dealers tell me as soon as the end of July and then I have had others say 3 more months! Like everything else............they don't seem to have a clue!
 
I called Hyundai last week, they say earliest mid sep to mid oct.

I had been talking with a dealer in Chicago that was assigned a VIN last Monday, black on black V8 with tech package 5. Should be built this week, shipped next and delivered by end of August according to him. He wants 50K up front for it. Before dellivery. Wouldn't guarantee me a delivery date.

I can give you his number if you want. He might be more willing to deal now.

Hyundai is supposed to send me information on the tech package 5 and 6. Nothing in my email yet.
 
Richie,

What the heck is a Tech Package 5/6?
 
I'll post when/if I find out. Called Hyundai about it and they couldn't tell over the phone but forwarded it to somebody that will email in a week. Maybe this Fri because of the holiday.

They also mentioned that there is a package 6. Same deal know by Friday maybe.

UPDATE
Called the guy that I bought my Azera from. Package 5 has 17 speaker Lexicon. Sat Radio, Nav, traffic updates. Heated/Cooled Drivers seat - Heated passenger seat. Auto leveling HID headlights that turn with wheel. More stuff but I didn't catch it all. Sounds like the works. Only available on the V8.

He said that package 6 will probably have the heated/cooled passenger seat. (he said Hyundai has really caught hell for this from their dealers), from what he understands that package hasn't been fully defined yet.

He said they have 3 V8's on order but no VINs assigned yet. Expect early September. All have tech package 5. Two sold to owner already. 1 left with cashmere interior.
 
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Look at that! The cooled passenger seat has been causing a ruckus and it's not only me! :p I bet they've read some of our messages here as well..
 
Hmm, it seems like the V8 models are more popular. Unlike the speculation that the Hyundai made earlier thinking V6 models will be more of a seller than the V8.

I am thinking that the package 6 is one that probably includes the adaptive cruise that Hyundai saids that they are correcting problems and will be availiable later, if that's the case, that maybe it.

If Hyundai was listening, they would be smart to include the seats that has more than 4 way adjuster, and add the passenger cooled seat as the Korean market versions have, on their V8 models at least. I mean, I hear a lot of complaints here about those 2 items, more than anything. So, if Hyundai was paying attention, they should add them, AND, do something about their dealers and them in trying to rip-off the customers anyway they can, since I think ALL Hyundai dealers currently are playing this markup game and that thing called 'Market value' thing if I understand correctly, based on the members who posts here.

Well, it seems like no dealers in New Jersey still got ANY shipment for the Genesis, for I actually called 3 of them around my county, and all of them told me 'It's anyday now!!!!'. Oh well, I may have to wait still in order to look them in person for I NEVER got to check the interior since the NY auto show didn't have any floor models.
 
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Look at that! The cooled passenger seat has been causing a ruckus and it's not only me! :p I bet they've read some of our messages here as well..
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I find the report of a tech package 6 to be dubious at best and unsupported by any independent or credible source.
 
GrandPrix08 said:
Hmm, it seems like the V8 models are more popular. Unlike the speculation that the Hyundai made earlier thinking V6 models will be more of a seller than the V8.
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The articles I'm reading state Hyundai expects the V8 to sell a lot more at first, but after the initial sales the V6 will become popular.
 
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