Quick notes on V8 vs V6 vs V6 AWD

Huddleston · Nov 9, 2015

Hold on guys I need to go get a snack so I can enjoy this a little more.

Nikgen · Nov 9, 2015

jimb100 said:
Really? Quite insightful now that Hyundai has announced they will not sell the Genesis brand in Europe.

Now don't you feel foolish?

Not at all - don't recall a Europe only stipulation? In any event, I never feel foolish with strangers on an internet forum - THAT would be foolish.

Nikgen · Nov 9, 2015

jimb100 said:
Since you don't own a V8 you don't really know if it would be easier or not.

And I lived in NJ for several years and having driven many 6 cyl cars and 8 cyl cars on Rt 22 I can say that it is easier to drive on Rt 22 with an 8 compared to a 6. The 8 cyl gives you an extra margin of performance that makes it easier to merge and change lanes.

If you don't agree, you need to try an 8 cyl for a few weeks. Even you will notice the difference.

Sorry - If the difference between the V6 and V8 means being able to insert myself into a gap in traffic on route 22 or not, then the whole action of sticking myself in was wreckless in the first place and I'm sure the driver I insert myself in front of is NOT going to be very happy with me.

There are plenty of reasons to want a V8 and I have no issues with that - but I'm just not buying safety as being one of them - so you can stop trying to convince me. I've driven plenty of higher performance cars than my puny V6 Genesis on route 22 over the years and felt no "safety" advantage.

Further, if you've actually driven on route 22, you'd know it can be very much stop-and-go traffic with no real predictable flow, so laying into the throttle to change lanes is more likely to put you into the rear end of the car in the next lane. Quick responsive handling is actually much more important - the V8 offers no advantage there and might even be a hair behind the V6 in that regard (likely not noticeable in real word).

amartz · Nov 10, 2015

Huddleston said:
Hold on guys I need to go get a snack so I can enjoy this a little more.

Does that snack come with a beer??

opticsguy · Nov 15, 2015

Back on topic.. I have a V6 RWD which I drive in town and short trips on the freeway and average 25 MPG. I don't really get on the throttle often, but when I do I'm surprised at the acceleration compared to the Audi A6 I traded "down" from. On surface streets I find that the transmission likes to stay in a higher gear so I use the paddle shifters to downshift rather than punching the accelerator. The shift points in sport mode are way too late.

Hoping for a SW upgrade to fix this.

jimb100 · Nov 16, 2015

Nikgen said:
Sorry - If the difference between the V6 and V8 means being able to insert myself into a gap in traffic on route 22 or not, then the whole action of sticking myself in was wreckless in the first place and I'm sure the driver I insert myself in front of is NOT going to be very happy with me.

There are plenty of reasons to want a V8 and I have no issues with that - but I'm just not buying safety as being one of them - so you can stop trying to convince me. I've driven plenty of higher performance cars than my puny V6 Genesis on route 22 over the years and felt no "safety" advantage.

Further, if you've actually driven on route 22, you'd know it can be very much stop-and-go traffic with no real predictable flow, so laying into the throttle to change lanes is more likely to put you into the rear end of the car in the next lane. Quick responsive handling is actually much more important - the V8 offers no advantage there and might even be a hair behind the V6 in that regard (likely not noticeable in real word).

Sorry, I often forget that, like you, lots of todays Genesis buyers would have been happy 30 years ago driving a Crown Vic or Grand Marquis.

Nikgen · Nov 16, 2015

jimb100 said:
Sorry, I often forget that, like you, lots of todays Genesis buyers would have been happy 30 years ago driving a Crown Vic or Grand Marquis.

Hmmmm... big V8 engines... fast in a straight line - sounds more like your 5.0 to me... No thanks, I'll stick with my slower, but more nimble and versatile AWD V6.

jimb100 · Nov 17, 2015

Nikgen said:
Hmmmm... big V8 engines... fast in a straight line - sounds more like your 5.0 to me... No thanks, I'll stick with my slower, but more nimble and versatile AWD V6.

No, slow in a straight line, big, comfy, designed for those who don't care about performance but easy for grandma to get in and out of.

I'm sure from your perspective, your 4200 pound car is "nimble" but only when compared to a mini van. That you think it is says a lot about where you are coming from, re performance.

Nikgen · Nov 17, 2015

jimb100 said:
No, slow in a straight line, big, comfy, designed for those who don't care about performance but easy for grandma to get in and out of.

I'm sure from your perspective, your 4200 pound car is "nimble" but only when compared to a mini van. That you think it is says a lot about where you are coming from, re performance.

My bad - I assumed they'd be fast in a straight line as I thought the Police used to use them (maybe modified?), but apparently not the case now that I Googled them- Oh well, before my time so I never drove one.

I never said my 4200 lb car was nimble in an absolute sense - just more nimble (and versatile with AWD) than your 4200 lb car as most seem to agree.

I also never said I was all about performance - I wanted a car that drives well in the real world: AWD, comfortable, good feature set/tech, and quiet with good ride handling and acceleration - the V6 AWD checked all the boxes for me. If I wanted high performance I would not have looked at a Genesis as it's not a performance car - it's a luxo cruiser. Maybe when we get an "N" performance variant you can have a performance oriented Genny...

GenesisAWD · Nov 17, 2015

What's funny is that jimb100 gets a real boost to his ego (for some reason) for driving a V8 RWD car. If you drive a RWD car where I'm from (Omaha) you're either dumb or poor or both.

My point being...people's opinions on such matters need to be taken with context. Lets see how well your RWD V8 merges in our lanes on a snow/slush covered interstate jim. It takes all kinds.

Huddleston · Nov 17, 2015

geez guys.

a RWD v8 at 4500 pounds is not fast. no one bought this car for its canyon carving or performance. For what this car costs there are much better options for going fast or enjoying the twisty roads.

The Genesis is a well equipped cruiser that is in no way underpowered (with either powerplant) but is certainly not a bruiser. The car wasn't designed for that. I chose the v8 for reasons I have already stated - it was more performance oriented than the 3.8 but this is no S6 or M5 competitor.

please don't be fooled into thinking that a 4500 pound car with less than 350 hp at the wheels is a "perfrormance car" - its not. The drivetrains have their advantages, the 3.8 AWD makes more sense for people that have to deal with poor weather or that want better mpg than what is advertised on the 5.0, and honestly the difference in weight on the front end probably does translate to slightly better handling - but seriously.... we are talking about handling prowess on a huge car like this? lets not.

Huddleston · Nov 17, 2015

congrats you have a rwd v8... who cares.

the limited automotive experiences people have cracks me up. consider your opinions in context of what else is offered. The Genesis is a value proposition and it does very well at that. Its a handsome car constructed with great materials and a fit and finish that is better than most.

lets enjoy our cars and not get caught up in whose model is faster in a straightline or in the canyons or twisty roads.

jarred52 · Nov 18, 2015

Very well written and expresses my views. I had no expectations that the Genny was a basement price BMW 5 series (nor did I want one). I wanted a beautiful and comfortable cruiser with good performance and that is what I got along with mpg that is slightly above the EPA figures rating.

goochylittlepig · Nov 18, 2015

Man this is an entertaining thread! Personally, driving the 3.8 RWD was the most fun I've ever had driving a car, but this is cracking me up!

Focusin · Nov 18, 2015

goochylittlepig said:
Man this is an entertaining thread! Personally, driving the 3.8 RWD was the most fun I've ever had driving a car, but this is cracking me up!

Could you please include at least one ad hominem attack towards another member or at the very least, a snide remark referring to a member's manliness or lack thereof in relation to the number of cylinders residing under the hood of their car.

Please review the list (below) of logical fallacies before responding, in order that we may keep the inanity of this (originally thoughtful) thread alive for weeks or possibly months.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Signed,

I've only got 6...I guess I have to live with that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

jimb100 · Nov 19, 2015

GenesisAWD said:
What's funny is that jimb100 gets a real boost to his ego (for some reason) for driving a V8 RWD car. If you drive a RWD car where I'm from (Omaha) you're either dumb or poor or both.

My point being...people's opinions on such matters need to be taken with context. Lets see how well your RWD V8 merges in our lanes on a snow/slush covered interstate jim. It takes all kinds.

I lived in Rochester NY and drove a Corvette, with winter tires every winter I lived there. Never had a problem.

Do you realize that up until a few years ago almost no cars had all wheel drive, and yet we all went to work and lived to tell about it?

This site amazes me, at times. 4300 pound cars with std suspensions are called nimble, anyplace it snows you must have awd or you are poor or dumb.

Drive your v6 land yacht and be happy with it. I prefer my v8 with variable suspension as I think it handles better and provides an extra margin of safety for certain situation.

You can feel free to disagree but since all the disagreement seems to come from v6 owners who don't drive the v8, I'll feel free to ignore your comments. I haven't seen a single comment from a v8 owner saying they wasted their money buying the v8 and wishing they had gotten the 6 and saved a couple of bucks.

Of course, they may be intimidated by the v6 bullies who might call them dumb or poor.

Nikgen · Nov 19, 2015

jimb100 said:
I lived in Rochester NY and drove a Corvette, with winter tires every winter I lived there. Never had a problem.

Do you realize that up until a few years ago almost no cars had all wheel drive, and yet we all went to work and lived to tell about it?

This site amazes me, at times. 4300 pound cars with std suspensions are called nimble, anyplace it snows you must have awd or you are poor or dumb.

Drive your v6 land yacht and be happy with it. I prefer my v8 with variable suspension as I think it handles better and provides an extra margin of safety for certain situation.

You can feel free to disagree but since all the disagreement seems to come from v6 owners who don't drive the v8, I'll feel free to ignore your comments. I haven't seen a single comment from a v8 owner saying they wasted their money buying the v8 and wishing they had gotten the 6 and saved a couple of bucks.

Of course, they may be intimidated by the v6 bullies who might call them dumb or poor.

Hmmm... talk about twisiting things around??? You're logic is flawed - of course folks who want a V8 are happy as it meets their needs and desire for power - It's a great car, so why would they think they wasted their money??? I've never seen a V8 owner called dumb? And who would call a V8 owner poor when the car costs more???

You want to make the generalization that V6 owners bought the V6 to save money, which is not universally true. In my case, I found the V6 had more than adequate power for my needs and preferred to get the AWD, heated steering wheel and heated rear seats.

You like to talk about how the variable suspension handles better (maybe it does - have not seen any proof), but ignore the documented handling benefits of AWD or imply it's just for snowy conditions (and you want to discount that benefit as well). Check out this link - you might learn something about AWD:

http://brand.hyundai.com/en/challenge/for-technology/htrac.do

The fact that most cars do not have AWD also does not mean that AWD is not valuable - for reasons you can find at the link above, it DOES improve handling and safety. Does that make non-AWD cars unsafe? Of course not!

You do realize that there are many technologies that did not exist until recently (including adjustable suspension) and the world got along just fine? That does not mean these technologies are not useful as you seem to want to imply with AWD (and thereby also invalidating your adjustable suspension claims).

And then you refer to V6 bullies??? You have been the one who has always talked down to the V6 owners as with your latest "V6 land yacht" comment (though I like yachts, so not really a bad thing) - I don't see where anyone was insulting V8 owners - just questioning positioning the V8 power as safer.

I guess we now get to see see if you will ignore my comments

Huddleston · Nov 19, 2015

Jimb100, just curious... why do you think our V8's are any less of a land yacht that the v6 guys?

Also, you are correct about RWD cars being perfectly capable in the snow with appropriate tires and a good driver behind the wheel.

GenesisAWD, can you explain why someone that drives a RWD v8 is poor and dumb? does driving a RWD 6 cylinder or 4 cylinder make you less poor and dumb?

Huddleston · Nov 19, 2015

GenesisAWD said:
What's funny is that jimb100 gets a real boost to his ego (for some reason) for driving a V8 RWD car. If you drive a RWD car where I'm from (Omaha) you're either dumb or poor or both.

My point being...people's opinions on such matters need to be taken with context. Lets see how well your RWD V8 merges in our lanes on a snow/slush covered interstate jim. It takes all kinds.

Nikgen, this is where the driving a RDW v8 is for dumb and poor people comment stems from.

Nikgen · Nov 19, 2015

Huddleston said:
Nikgen, this is where the driving a RDW v8 is for dumb and poor people comment stems from.

Ahh.. OK - that was uncalled for! There is nothing dumb abut driving a RWD V8 car! It's about choices to meet one's needs and desires...

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