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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

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    That's very cool! 881 CDs? Dude, where do you keep 'em all?

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    I keep all my CDs in plastic crates in the crawlspace together with the DVD collection. I run a network attached storage device to have them online at all computers in the house.

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    Default Experiences with a 120Gb hard drive

    Here as a summary of my experiences after using the 120GB hard for two weeks.

    Short summary: This is not for everyone and there is room for Hyundai to iron out some issues with the software of the multimedia system. My wife is not using this because of the bugs.

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    • The sound is great and having 900 CDs at your fingertips is a lot of fun!

    • The playback still gets stuck every so often. I am using high quality WMA encoded tracks and this is exactly the same behavior I have seen with my USB memory key so at this point I am pretty sure it is the Hyundai software

    • Everyonce in a while the car does not recognize that the device is plugged in. This also happened with my USB key and indicates that the initialization is not implemented very robustly. When pulling the plug and replugging the drive sometimes more than once the car eventually recognizes the drive

    • It takes about a minute before the playback starts. This again is due to a strange implementation choice in the playback software. It appears that the system is scanning the whole drive before doing any playback. Instead of just trying to contiue where it left off it rebuilds the whole track list every time you start the car. Better choice would be to assume that nothing has changed. It could still trigger a rescan any time it does not find an item that it has in it's data base. In order to deal with new tracks the system needs a way to manually trigger a rescan but that operation is probably very rare.

    • Navigation is painfully slow. I am not even sure whether they go back to the drive for every navigation but this should clearly be done from the cached library and only involve any disk action if you want to play back a track. Turning the wheel button should enable you to scroll freely throught the contents of a directory instrad of the page by page navigation the system does now.


    The bottom line is that you should only do this if you can live a couple of bugs in the system. It would be great if Hyundai could address these issues rather sooner than later.

    I also have a few suggestion on how to further improve the system to make it truly outstanding.

    • Support for a real media library with tag support. Navigation should be possible by Genre, Artist, Album, Composer. Every cell phone with a lot less memory and a weaker processor can do this today, so why not the powerful system in the Gensis

    • The limited amount of information during playback is again beyond my understanding. Any MP3 player or cell phone runs circle around this. I would like to see at least
      Genre, Artist, Album, Track Number, Track Name. Composer on classical albums would be extra browny points.

    • Support for album art from the mp3 or WMA tags. Navigating a large library is so much easier if you can quickly skip through the cover art. Album art should also be part of the playback screen.

    • Some form of search function that lets you use the wheel similar to the navigation system to quickly find an artist, album, or track. This works extremely well and fast on the street network so it shouldbe a no brainer for the much smaller data set in a media library.

    • Not music related but the ability to display JPEGs on the screen would be nice touch.


    There is plenty of embedded media library software available for cell phones that implements these functions so these requests are really simple to integrate by Hyundai.

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    Thomas

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    See page 119 of the DIS manual. Although it is working for you, intermittantly, there is a reason the system only supports memory sticks! The max bit rate is 320kbps which may be causing you some minor grief as well. Maybe this will be addressed in future models/updates, but until then I would not risk frying the system by implementing solutions that are clearly outside of what is supported in the documentation. Just a thought.
    Last edited by BaywayRic; 11-29-2008 at 04:43 PM.

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    Thanks for pointing to the manual. A 64GB or 128GB USB memory stick will have exactly the same problems. How do you define memory stick anyway? Nothing can fry the system with this setup.

    The only problem here is the buggy software!

    This computer happens to be in a car which is why people seem to live with this crap but problems like this are only acceptable for a short time and better be addressed quickly in a luxury article.

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    Thomas

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    You will not harm anything using external HD. I am using a WD Passport 160G. I have it set up with folders for different genre and then put the artist in his own folder. The WD passport is on sale at wally world for 69 dollars and includes a very short cable that is perfect for this job. The power it takes to drive these 5400 rpm drives is minimal and cause no problem for the system. I am today working on trying different video formats, there may be a way to watch video while in motion, I just wanted to pass this along as it makes one easy solution for not using your ipod and how can you do better at 70 bucks for 160G which includes inclosure' and cable. just plug and play
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    Here is a link to one on the bay
    http://cgi.ebay.com/WD-160GB-Western...3A1|240%3A1307

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    Hi Garwal, great you are exploring a similar avenue. I'd love to hear what you find out about video.

    However, that specific model of drive you are recommending is exceeding the power requirements for a USB port. The specification indicates a maximum power draw of 1000ma which is in line with the power requirements for 2.5" drives. You can probably connect this drive but you risk your warranty unless you supply external power to that drive via the 12V port.

    The USB specification limits the power draw on the integrated 5V line to 500ma so you are exceeding that by a factor of 2.

    The 1.8" drive I suggested is within the limits of that power budget and can simply be connected via it's USB cable.

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    Thomas

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    Quote Originally Posted by thomaspf View Post
    Hi Garwal, great you are exploring a similar avenue. I'd love to hear what you find out about video.

    However, that specific model of drive you are recommending is exceeding the power requirements for a USB port. The specification indicates a maximum power draw of 1000ma which is in line with the power requirements for 2.5" drives. You can probably connect this drive but you risk your warranty unless you supply external power to that drive via the 12V port.

    The USB specification limits the power draw on the integrated 5V line to 500ma so you are exceeding that by a factor of 2.

    The 1.8" drive I suggested is within the limits of that power budget and can simply be connected via it's USB cable.

    Cheers

    Thomas
    Thomas

    Thanks for the info I just want to know where you got these figures.
    The USB specification limits the power draw on the integrated 5V line to 500ma so you are exceeding that by a factor of 2.

    There is is no external power input on this drive. I would like to see the information that says there is a 500ma limit on the usb port . Thanks and I will keep you up to video work. Do yoy know what file types the genesis can use in the video area.
    Gary

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    Default Re: Playback problems from USB stick

    I am also having problems with songs repeating the last 4-5 seconds at the end using just a Sandisk Cruzer micro 8 GB. I did do a fresh full FAT32 format and that didn't fix it. Anyone found a fix for this? Most of my MP3s are between 192k-320k or VBR224 (V0 encoding).

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    Dave

    I will try a Sandisk Micro 2 GB which i have lying around and see if that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayoutwest View Post
    I am also having problems with songs repeating the last 4-5 seconds at the end using just a Sandisk Cruzer micro 8 GB. I did do a fresh full FAT32 format and that didn't fix it. Anyone found a fix for this? Most of my MP3s are between 192k-320k or VBR224 (V0 encoding).

    Cheers!
    Dave

    I will try a Sandisk Micro 2 GB which i have lying around and see if that helps.
    I have this problem when I insert the stick before starting the car. If I insert the stick after starting the car it does not happen.

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