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Second Generation ? for NA customers who've replaced their stock headlights with the KDM OEM lights..

Update: I noticed today that the flickering when they're amber is still there. Back to the dealer.
 
StarPower said:
I've heard that new HID lights need to burn in to reach their full brightness. When I first got my Genesis, the lights seemed dimmer and yellower (lower CCT) than HIDs should be. They seem fine now (also a fairly low level of scientific reliability), but I'm not sure if it's because they've become brighter or if I've just gotten used to them.
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If that's true, then it would seem that the new lights are going to get even brighter.
 
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(short version)
So I had a Hyundai master technician trying to solve my flickering amber light issue with these KDM lights and was unable to solve the flickering.
(Long version)
Hyundai techs get fantastic goodies; Hyundai has this cool ODBII/CAN monitoring software that runs on the iPad; you plug one portion into the ODB port and it connects via BT to an iPad, and with that you can sit there and watch what's happening on the CAN bus, but you can also customize different aspects of the vehicle. So the Hyundai master technician, who's this particular dealer's go-to guy for electronics issues, plugged in the monitoring software and the first thing he discovered is that one of the adapter harnesses that came with the lights was throwing some errors on the CAN. He looked at the pin-outs and realized that it was wired incorrectly. He fixed that issue and we crossed our fingers, hoping that the DRLs would not flicker when on. No dice. Each time, trying quite a few permutations of software settings and switching the pin-outs, the DRLs come on as amber (which at this point, I honestly prefer, though I'll admit I was disappointed initially that they weren't white), and then start to flicker after about 30 seconds of activity.

It appears as though there are a couple of extra pins on the KDM connector than there are pins/wires on the US harness. Without a detailed pinout of the KDM headlight, we're kinda stuck.

Everything else about the headlights works, but when the DRLs come on, they flicker. If I run with the parking lights on, then they look like white DRLs (and do NOT flicker).

In any case, although I doubt anyone has this, if anyone has the wiring pinout, or any other documentation for the KDM headlights, please pass it on. Otherwise, I'm just going to run these in parking light mode. After a couple grand for the lights and adapter harness and a few hundred in installation/diagnostics, I cannot in good conscience recommend this mod to others.
 
Aquineas said:
(short version)
So I had a Hyundai master technician trying to solve my flickering amber light issue with these KDM lights and was unable to solve the flickering.
(Long version)
Hyundai techs get fantastic goodies; Hyundai has this cool ODBII/CAN monitoring software that runs on the iPad; you plug one portion into the ODB port and it connects via BT to an iPad, and with that you can sit there and watch what's happening on the CAN bus, but you can also customize different aspects of the vehicle. So the Hyundai master technician, who's this particular dealer's go-to guy for electronics issues, plugged in the monitoring software and the first thing he discovered is that one of the adapter harnesses that came with the lights was throwing some errors on the CAN. He looked at the pin-outs and realized that it was wired incorrectly. He fixed that issue and we crossed our fingers, hoping that the DRLs would not flicker when on. No dice. Each time, trying quite a few permutations of software settings and switching the pin-outs, the DRLs come on as amber (which at this point, I honestly prefer, though I'll admit I was disappointed initially that they weren't white), and then start to flicker after about 30 seconds of activity.

It appears as though there are a couple of extra pins on the KDM connector than there are pins/wires on the US harness. Without a detailed pinout of the KDM headlight, we're kinda stuck.

Everything else about the headlights works, but when the DRLs come on, they flicker. If I run with the parking lights on, then they look like white DRLs (and do NOT flicker).

In any case, although I doubt anyone has this, if anyone has the wiring pinout, or any other documentation for the KDM headlights, please pass it on. Otherwise, I'm just going to run these in parking light mode. After a couple grand for the lights and adapter harness and a few hundred in installation/diagnostics, I cannot in good conscience recommend this mod to others.
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Sorry to hear you've been having that flickering issue, Aquineas. Don't know if there is an electrical difference between the V6 and V8, but I have no such issue. I am, however, still going to see if I can figure out a way to have the white LEDs light up when the switch is in the Auto mode. You might want to contact your eBay seller RPMTrade. I had a faulty conversion cable (failed after 15 days) and he replaced it free of charge. Maybe there is an issue with it? Good luck!
 
So, I found this pin-out diagram for the USA headlights on the Hyundai Tech site:

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So could making the DRL be the white brow on the USA HID headlight be as simple as removing the lead that is supposed to be in pin 12 and splicing it into the lead in pin 11 so that the DRL signal goes to the brow (as the parking light activates the brow)? Maybe not the right signal voltage, though?

Has anyone found the similar pin out for the KDM headlights? I would imagine there is a KDM Tech site for the Korean models as well.

OR - how about the pin out for the Canadian headlights that use the brow for DRL's? Any Canadian owners have access to this info?

The only other area that might be involved seems to be the Body Control Module (located behind the glovebox):

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One other area where I see DRL control indicated:

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Any Electrical Engineers out there to figure this out?
 
So I pulled the headlight connector and, lo and behold, there is no wire in pin 12 (DRL). So that means the DRL signal must be coming down the Turn signal wiring. This means that there is no way to just splice the DRL wire into the Parking Light wire to get the brow to function as the DRL's.

So it looks like some upstream module (maybe the Body Control Module) would need to be swapped out and new wiring run = not a really feasible proposition to get the brow DRL's to work, imho. Certainly, seems like it would be quite complicated, if even possible. Oh well!
 
I was curious about these but hesitant about the quality of the aftermarket headlight housing. looks like I will be staying stock for now.
 
Huddleston said:
I was curious about these but hesitant about the quality of the aftermarket headlight housing. looks like I will be staying stock for now.
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It's not aftermarket - it's the OEM headlights used on the Korean Market Genesis - so quality is the same as the NA OEM headlight housing.

Unfortunately, unlike the LED fog lights that can be added to OEM spec on the V6, the wiring does not appear to be present to allow the Korean Headlamps to fully work (meaning to get the white "brow" DRL's to function). Maybe someone more versed in electrical schematics will figure this out at some point...
 
I don't even mind if the DRLs are amber; it actually looks kinda cool to be honest (even though they're not DRLs at that point). What I don't like is the flickering I get when they're on. I've spent more than a couple hundred dollars in dealership shop time trying to get this to work and gave up. It really would be cool if the Korean wiring diagrams were available somehow (I'm looking at you Rick Shin :-), who I believe is Korean and has lived in both Korea and the US and has "imported" his US Genesis back to Korea).
 
Nikgen said:
I'd say they are just as much DRL's as the Amber bulb DRL's are on the stock NA car. :)
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Even those don't look too bad on a black car; looks kind of sinister.
 
Schindawg said:
I think the way your dealer installed them is fine, though it is possible that running both wires all the way to the fuse box allows more load to run to each light (more copper/less resistance). That might explain the flicker, which I do not have. Otherwise, my lights are working exactly the same as yours with the amber DRLs on Auto mode. I'm pretty sure I can fix that through the custom wiring harness received with the lights, but just haven't had a chance to tackle that project yet. I'll let everyone know if/how/when I do get it to work with the white DRLs.

I have the flickering issue as well. followed everything i saw on this message board. Can you show a picture of your wiring? I connected the red wire to the terminal by the fuze box. Everything works, i just have flickering. help would be much appreciate. thanks in advance.
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tpytlinski said:
Schindawg said:
I think the way your dealer installed them is fine, though it is possible that running both wires all the way to the fuse box allows more load to run to each light (more copper/less resistance). That might explain the flicker, which I do not have. Otherwise, my lights are working exactly the same as yours with the amber DRLs on Auto mode. I'm pretty sure I can fix that through the custom wiring harness received with the lights, but just haven't had a chance to tackle that project yet. I'll let everyone know if/how/when I do get it to work with the white DRLs.

I have the flickering issue as well. followed everything i saw on this message board. Can you show a picture of your wiring? I connected the red wire to the terminal by the fuze box. Everything works, i just have flickering. help would be much appreciate. thanks in advance.
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Unfortunately everyone (including Schindawg who later realized he had the flickering as well) who's installed these has the flickering. It is effectively a grounding problem as the Body Control Module in the US vehicle is missing a connector that these lights need. I actually stumbled upon a Korean technician at a dealership who could probably help, but he's such a by-the-book-guy that he doesn't want to mess with it. I'm going to see if I can at least get him to obtain the KDM wiring diagram for me.

In any case, there is no known solution to the problem at this juncture. :confused:
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Hey guys - I've not given up on this issue and continued to research it. I may have found something here:

https://www.hidplanet.com/forums/fo...d-hid-issue-fix-keep-your-drl-s-no-flickering

While this is in regards to HIDs flickering, the lead for our DRLs originally powered a filament bulb, at what I'm guessing is a lower voltage to make it dimmer, thus the flickering of our LEDs, which need a full 12v. I think by adding a relay and tapping in to a hot 12v lead, the problem can be fixed. Still too cold up here in the Midwest to mess with this, but once we warm up, I'm going to give it a try. Will let everyone know if I have any success!
 
Man I'd love a solution on this; it drives me bonkers. Part of me has considered buying the 2016 Genesis headlights, but I frankly like the way the KDM lights look. If the dealer comes through and I can obtain the KDM wiring diagram, I'll post it here in case it helps.
 
Aquineas said:
Man I'd love a solution on this; it drives me bonkers. Part of me has considered buying the 2016 Genesis headlights
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That would not help you - the 2016 headlights are the same as the 2015 headlights. It's the wiring and electronics driving them that are different.
 
Well I'm at the point when I need to get my car inspected and I will be keeping my fingers crossed. Schindawg, have you had any luck with fixing the flicker on yours?
 
Did you guys ever get this issue figured out?

I own a 2016 genesis and was thinking of buying these kdm headlights specifically for the switchback turn signal, would I run into the same issue with the 16 ?
 
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