Fog Lights

[shutterpro]

I am trying to figure out how to get my fog lights brighter to match my headlights. They look so yellow in comparison to the Xeon lights I have on my v6 with tech package. An tips or suggestions. Thanks

Brittany

[FIAT]

Would this work?
[http://www.dhgate.com/xenon-hid-conv...3c848ee.html#0

[shutterpro]

Not sure. I have no idea what bulbs to get

[ctrcbob]

Whatever you get, make sure they are no more than 35 watts, otherwise you could melt things in the fog light housing.

As for you wanting bright white, to match your HID headlights, I did just the opposite.
I wanted YELLOW Fog Lamps, so I installed NOKYA brand H8 35 watt Hyper Yellow ProHalogen bulbs. They are 2500K color temperature (Yellow). The box says 35/55W but what that means is they are 35W putting out the light of regular 55W units. Very easy to install. (Nokia part number NOK7623)

Although it may not be for you, I love the contrast of the Bright White HID low beam headlights and the bright Yellow Halogen Fog Lights.

[scottdk]

Originally Posted by ctrcbob

Whatever you get, make sure they are no more than 35 watts, otherwise you could melt things in the fog light housing.

As for you wanting bright white, to match your HID headlights, I did just the opposite.
I wanted YELLOW Fog Lamps, so I installed NOKYA brand H8 35 watt Hyper Yellow ProHalogen bulbs. They are 2500K color temperature (Yellow). The box says 35/55W but what that means is they are 35W putting out the light of regular 55W units. Very easy to install. (Nokia part number NOK7623)

Although it may not be for you, I love the contrast of the Bright White HID low beam headlights and the bright Yellow Halogen Fog Lights.

Bob, would you explain more in this idea? I'm a little lost. I think it is important to understand my "tone" when reading this. I'm serious and not sarcastic in any way.

The yellow light is by far the best color temp vs whiter light for severe and adverse weather such as a terrible snow storm or actual fog. The yellow light reflects the least amount off the elements i.e fog or snow etc.

This type of driving for me is really only a couple times a year, so is not needed for my driving.

Plus, I had a friend also ask me what the deal was with yellow foglights on this forum (he's a lurker). He said it reminded him of what people were doing in the 80's, and he said 2 decades later on new cars, it looks funny and doesn't serve much light output compared to oem or higher color temps such as 4300K.

What's your take?

Thanks Bob!
Scott

[GripperDon]

Originally Posted by ctrcbob

Whatever you get, make sure they are no more than 35 watts, otherwise you could melt things in the fog light housing.

As for you wanting bright white, to match your HID headlights, I did just the opposite.
I wanted YELLOW Fog Lamps, so I installed NOKYA brand H8 35 watt Hyper Yellow ProHalogen bulbs. They are 2500K color temperature (Yellow). The box says 35/55W but what that means is they are 35W putting out the light of regular 55W units. Very easy to install. (Nokia part number NOK7623)

Although it may not be for you, I love the contrast of the Bright White HID low beam headlights and the bright Yellow Halogen Fog Lights.

ME too! I aways change my fogs to YELLOW!

[shutterpro]

personal preference

[Sayantsi]

Originally Posted by scottdk

Plus, I had a friend also ask me what the deal was with yellow foglights on this forum (he's a lurker). He said it reminded him of what people were doing in the 80's, and he said 2 decades later on new cars, it looks funny and doesn't serve much light output compared to oem or higher color temps such as 4300K.

What's your take?

Thanks Bob!
Scott

That's the whole point - in heavy fog you don't want too much light, or it will refract and limit visibility even more. Yellow lights serve to dim the light so you don't have as much glare in fog.

Fog lights in general are designed to cast a light about 25' in front of the car and out to the sides of the car so you can see the sides of the road. They are designed for aiding in low-speed, poor visibility driving conditions.

Imo there's no point to really bright fog lights - all you're doing is making the area right in front of the car really bright. As for making the fog lights match the headlights, if you are fine with getting no usability out of them and just want the lights to match, that's fine I guess. Personally, I don't use fog lights unless there is, you know, fog.

[scottdk]

Originally Posted by Sayantsi

That's the whole point - in heavy fog you don't want too much light, or it will refract and limit visibility even more. Yellow lights serve to dim the light so you don't have as much glare in fog.

Fog lights in general are designed to cast a light about 25' in front of the car and out to the sides of the car so you can see the sides of the road. They are designed for aiding in low-speed, poor visibility driving conditions.

Imo there's no point to really bright fog lights - all you're doing is making the area right in front of the car really bright. As for making the fog lights match the headlights, if you are fine with getting no usability out of them and just want the lights to match, that's fine I guess. Personally, I don't use fog lights unless there is, you know, fog.

True about the yellow, but God is it yuck Just my .02, but my fog lights match yes, but there is def a difference from just the headlights on vs. headlights and fogs on. I can see sideways all the way to TJParks

[shutterpro]

LoL. I agree. I am all about the looks, I have never seen a difference in the fog with the stock lights any way, so it might as well look good if nothing else. =)

[ctrcbob]

1. Why, Hyundai in their infinite wisdom, chose to only allow the Fog Lights to be on with the Headlight, is beyond me. I would rather that the Fog Lights be able to come on with the Parking Lights, in addition to the Headlights. (Yes, it is legal). Also when truly in fog, they work better without the headlights on, as there is less light being scattered back to the driver.

2. Why Yellow? Because Yellow Light is the opposite of Blue Light. Another way to put it is that Yellow Light is White Light minus the Blue Light. When driving in foggy light, at night (or even in the daytime), The Yellow light cuts through the white haze, filtering out the blue portion of the foggy white light. Another example is the "Blue Blocker Sunglasses" which are a Yellow Orange. These Blue Blockers allow you to see much clearer in the daytime. Also, do you remember the Yellow night driving glasses? They allow you to see much better at night, filtering out the blue. Those yellow glasses do the same thing that yellow fog lights do.

White light is made up of the three Primary Colors. Red, Green & Blue. When all three are present, you see it as white light. If you remove the Blue, the Red and Green light alone looks Yellow to your eye. (Remember, Yellow light is white light minus the Blue white).
(Yellow, Cyan and Magenta are the Secondary Colors). If you look very close to the screen of your TV, you will see that each segment is made up of Red, Green and Blue. When all three are lighted up, your eye sees it as White.
If none are lighted up, you see it as Black.
If Red and Green are lighted up, you see it as Yellow. (White minus Blue)
If Red and Blue are lighted up, you see it as Magenta. (White minus Green)
If Green and Blue are lighted up, you see it as Cyan. (White minus Red)

From before WW2 until 2001, cars in France had Yellow Headlights. When I was stationed in Germany, we could always tell a French Registered car by the Yellow Headlights. When I started vacationing in France, starting in 1989, we could always tell a car that was NOT registered in France by the White Headlights. I never had problems driving with yellow headlights. Now, since 2001 or 2002, With France joining the EU, they had to be like the rest of the EU, so they had to be like the rest of the EU, white headlights.

NOTE: We have been talking about light, NOT pigments. That is a whole different story.

[Sayantsi]

1. Why, Hyundai in their infinite wisdom, chose to only allow the Fog Lights to be on with the Headlight, is beyond me. I would rather that the Fog Lights be able to come on with the Parking Lights, in addition to the Headlights. (Yes, it is legal). Also when truly in fog, they work better without the headlights on, as there is less light being scattered back to the driver.

I read that this is due to some dumb law passed by non-automotive types. No idea why, but now its universal that fog lights can only be on with headlights.

Imo fog lights should operate independently of any other lights. Somewhere in the Genesis is a relay that dictates that fogs only work with low beams - if you can find that module and bypass a couple pins or wires, you could have independent fog lights I expect.

[GripperDon]

Originally Posted by ctrcbob

1. Why, Hyundai in their infinite wisdom, chose to only allow the Fog Lights to be on with the Headlight, is beyond me.

2. Why Yellow? Because Yellow Light is the opposite of Blue Light. Another way to put it is that Yellow Light is White Light minus the Blue Light. When driving in foggy light, at night (or even in the daytime), The Yellow light cuts through the white haze, filtering out the blue portion of the foggy white light. Another example is the "Blue Blocker Sunglasses" which are a Yellow Orange. These Blue Blockers allow you to see much clearer in the daytime. Also, do you remember the Yellow night driving glasses? They allow you to see much better at night, filtering out the blue. Those yellow glasses do the same thing that yellow fog lights do.


From before WW2 until 2001, cars in France had Yellow Headlights. When I was stationed in Germany, we could always tell a French Registered car by the Yellow Headlights. When I started vacationing in France, starting in 1989, we could always tell a car that was NOT registered in France by the White Headlights. I never had problems driving with yellow headlights. Now, since 2001 or 2002, With France joining the EU, they had to be like the rest of the EU, so they had to be like the rest of the EU, white headlights.

The above is a very reasonable description of "WHY Yellow" I would like to make One little addition that has to do with the refractory characteristics of the water molecule, in that it passes the yellow wave length thru with little to no scattering. Remember why the sky and the oceans look blue wavelength difraction. It's because the yellow passes thur the water and on the roadway thereby penetrating the fog and can illuminate that deer standing in the roadway ready to kill you. Yellow lighting should be allowed to run by themselves because when running along with white lights greatly diminishes the advantage of the yellow illumination. Here is a neato web site to read it in a more complete way.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic.../blue_sky.html

I was hoping that Diode Dynamics was going to offer a harness to do the job, but so far no luck.

Anyone know how to cut the harness to switch on the fogs independantly? If necessary I will install a relay that will open the circuits (both wires) on each side and apply power would require a pair of double pole double throw relays, 4 cuts, 8 splices for the fogs and two runs of power via a switch and local grounding of the relay coils, al reall pain in the ass to route the wireing and mounting a hidden switch. OUCH at my age and degree of phoeginess (new word) I could die before I get that job done, so I really want to buy a plug and play kit. ANYBODY got any thoughts, etc.