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4.6 Spark Plug replacement at Walser Hyundai

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I called the dealer to get a quote for spark plug replacement so when my car needs them changed, I have an idea of what I will be spending.

They quoted $400 for the 8 plugs to be done, but the tech did mention that they have not done one yet, so the Genesis hasn't been technically priced out yet for that, but she said that the quote should be pretty accurate.
 
scottdk said:
I called the dealer to get a quote for spark plug replacement so when my car needs them changed, I have an idea of what I will be spending.

They quoted $400 for the 8 plugs to be done, but the tech did mention that they have not done one yet, so the Genesis hasn't been technically priced out yet for that, but she said that the quote should be pretty accurate.
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Should not cost anywhere near that price. The plugs are easy to get to, unlike the sidewinder fwd's. Don't know what the cost of plugs are, even if they are "special" plugs, but the labor for a rwd with the plugs in view should not be high.
 
$400 for a spark plug change! Where can I sign up for that job?

ctrbob is right, they are easy to get to. I just went out in the garage and popped one out in about 2 minutes. I could probably have all 8 out and new one's installed in less than 30 minutes.

I checked the owner's manual but could not find the specs for the plugs other than it recommending iridium coated plugs of the correct (but unspecified) heat range.

At www.hmaservice.com it says the plugs are NGK ILRF5B-11 (I think they meant ILFR5B-11). The plugs I pulled out tonight are NGK DILFR5E-11 (attached photo) but I can't find that part number anywhere on the net. The closest I find is an IFR5E-11, which runs about $12, but the reach for those plugs is too short (19mm). The reach on the DILFR5E-11 is 25mm.

If the pricing is similar, you're looking at roughly $100 for plugs. I still can't believe another $300 for less than 30 minutes of labor!!
 

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mcginnpm said:
If the pricing is similar, you're looking at roughly $100 for plugs. I still can't believe another $300 for less than 30 minutes of labor!!
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The labor charges for 8 plugs is probably at least one hour but they probably bump that up because they need to collect "insurance" for the times when their techs break off one of the plugs or mis-thread the plug, and a new head is required. Changing plugs on an aluminum head is more risky.
 
scottdk said:
I called the dealer to get a quote for spark plug replacement so when my car needs them changed, I have an idea of what I will be spending.

They quoted $400 for the 8 plugs to be done, but the tech did mention that they have not done one yet, so the Genesis hasn't been technically priced out yet for that, but she said that the quote should be pretty accurate.
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I thought dealers received "work rate books" from the MFG which stated the time it would take to do service jobs....
 
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Yeah, I'll be doing the plugs on my car since it's outragous to get done anywhere else. Done plugs many time before even with aluminum heads, so I'll save myself some money.
 
If you pull plugs to check them, or if you change plugs, coat the threads with Permatex "Anti-Seize" Compound (another brand is Never-Seize), when you reinstall them. This helps to keep them from getting stuck in the aluminum heads with age. I've been using Anti-Seize for many many years. It may be worth pulling the plugs now, just to coat the threads with Anti-Seize, so that when you have to pull them in later years, they will come out with ease.

Note in the photo of the plug, that the end of the plug is much darker than the rest of the plug. In the 3 valve Ford 4.7 engines, it is in this area that carbon builds up, causing the plug to lock into place, and breaking when you try to remove it. As I said in another thread, Ford has you fill the plug cavity with carb cleaner and let it sit for a few hours, or overnight, before you try to remove the plug, as they had many plugs break trying to remove them.

I also notice that the plug in the photo has two iridium (sp) tips. One on the center electrode and one on the tip of the side electrode. These plugs should last well past 100,000 miles. In past cars, I always changed plugs using Double Platinum Tip Plugs, and they always lasted over 100,000 miles.
 
ctrcbob said:
...coat the threads with Permatex "Anti-Seize" Compound ...fill the plug cavity with carb cleaner and let it sit for a few hours, or overnight, before you try to remove the plug
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Bob,

Thanks for the gouge. I've also read that you should not try to remove spark plugs from a hot (or even warm) engine with an aluminum block. Because of the differences in thermal expansion for aluminum and the steel spark plug case it was recommended that spark plugs only be removed from a cold engine.
 
mcginnpm said:
Bob,

Thanks for the gouge. I've also read that you should not try to remove spark plugs from a hot (or even warm) engine with an aluminum block. Because of the differences in thermal expansion for aluminum and the steel spark plug case it was recommended that spark plugs only be removed from a cold engine.
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This is a good tip, and I have been doing this for years as well, with positive results. Thanks Bob:)
 
FYI on NGK plugs for the Genny. Got this today via e-mail from NGK customer support.

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Hello,

Unfortunately the OE plug DILFR5E11 is currently only available through your local Hyundai dealer. The aftermarket equivalent plug is DILFR5C11 (stock# 5443) and has the exact same dimensions as the original plug. Hope this helps, thank you.

Regards,

Brandon Peeler
Technical Support Representative
Aftermarket Division
NGK Spark Plugs (U.S.A.), INC.
46929 Magellan Dr.
Wixom, MI 48393
http://my.artoffast.com/NGKTECH
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He just sent me more info on buying the plugs from NGK.

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If you have trouble finding it locally (because it’s so new) you can order from our distributor Monarch products website http://ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=dilfr5c11 or call them direct at 1-888-800-9629.

Regards, Brandon Peeler
 
At the rate I've been putting on the miles, (14000 in 8 months [January 10th]), it won't be long before I will have to change plugs also. <grin>

These plugs should/will last well over 100,000 miles. In past cars, I've used Platinum Plugs that lasted 100K miles, and later, I went with Double Platinum Plugs, that lasted forever. (both from Autolite). These Iridium (sp) plugs should last even longer than the great plugs I've used in past cars,
 
Wow! $21 per plug! I have used Monarch before and they are great. Priced good too but these new plugs are pretty expensive yet.
 
Nabber said:
Wow! $21 per plug! I have used Monarch before and they are great. Priced good too but these new plugs are pretty expensive yet.
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Yup. That's from the dealer also. And to get the spark plugs with the correct gapping and length, they are ONLY sold through the dealership.
 
motorsportsauthority said:
Yup. That's from the dealer also. And to get the spark plugs with the correct gapping and length, they are ONLY sold through the dealership.
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Yup! And I also have a 2006 Sonata (girlfriends) V6 and it was much more actually. Funny since it has 2 less cylinders.
 
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wallymn said:
I thought dealers received "work rate books" from the MFG which stated the time it would take to do service jobs....
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I'm thinking at the time I spoke with the rep, they maybe didn't have this book from the MFG yet. Although, they should have the book, prior to the car being sold if possible.
 
Wow, I've read in a couple of threads that it is an easy procedure to replace the plugs on the 4.6 but haven't seen any feedback from anyone who has actually done it. I tried today. Not the best at working on vehicles but definately not the worse. I get the drivers side most forward plug out no problem, but there are 20-30 other parts that i will have to remove to get to the rest... (some of which I have no idea how far down i'll have to go to remove the connectors). Am I missing something simple? Or is there really this much involvement to replace your own plugs?

Thanks! RyanD
 
RyanD said:
Wow, I've read in a couple of threads that it is an easy procedure to replace the plugs on the 4.6 but haven't seen any feedback from anyone who has actually done it. I tried today. Not the best at working on vehicles but definately not the worse. I get the drivers side most forward plug out no problem, but there are 20-30 other parts that i will have to remove to get to the rest... (some of which I have no idea how far down i'll have to go to remove the connectors). Am I missing something simple? Or is there really this much involvement to replace your own plugs?

Thanks! RyanD
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How many miles are on your car? Or is there another reason you're doing this?
Thx.
 
Well I figure I'm in the "replace more frequently" category listed in the maintenance log. Didn't mind spending the money though may save the new plugs to 50k or further if it's going to be a long process to replace.

Thanks,
Ryan
 
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