2009 Acura TL vs. 2009 Hyundai Genesis

I recently have the opportunity to see the 2009 Acura Tl in person and I was quite impress. It price almost exactly like the Genesis.

2009 Acura TL
Bsse 35K
Base/Tech package 39K to
S AWD Larger 305 Hp/Tech package43K

2009 Genesis

Comparable to Acura TL base 36K
Tech package 40K
V8 42 375hp 42K

Now granted the Gen has more hp and a little more bell and whistles. That really just fluff for me. I strongly considering the Acura Tl over the Hyundai Gen. 09 Tl design is growing on me and it looks better in person.
09 Tl has proven reliablity and huge resale value advantage. With better service such as free carwash and loaner car. And I more name prestigue. And more agressive stlying. (That is subjective...I know)

Hyundai GEn great car. More lux cabin. More hp. No brand image. No loaner car. Excellent waranty. Resale value stucks.


What are your thoughts?

These are really two different cars. If you want sporty get the TL, on the other hand, if comfort and lux you want get the Genesis. Btw, the general perception is Hyundai has lower resale value but the is totally changed with the genesis, the resale value of the Genesis is higher than, Infiniti, Lexus, BMW and Benz. That is why the lease payment of the Genesis is lower than the Germans, and Japanese.

It is to earlier in the game to predict Hyundai Gen will have high resale value. Because it is brand new. (those ar only estimates and predictions) And we don't know what the market will be for the Gen and the people preception and demand for a used Gen. But if history is any indicator, Hyundais have lower resale. And Acura have higher resale. Doesn't mean that the Gen is not better, but it base on if people will relize it is a just as good as the other brands and are willing to pay for it.

My opinion is get what YOU Like! I personally was looking at the Acura, along with the Infinite and did not actually know what a Genesis looked like or even, truly not familiar with the Hyundia name. But when I saw the Genesis, that was IT!! Totally loved the car, from it's design, hp, warrenty, and the ride, it is the car for ME-so selected the car that YOU WANT!!

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I agree with getting the Acura TL if you want a more sporty experience.. Get the Hyundai Genesis is you want a more luxurious experience.. If you feel you're going to be making trips to the dealership, than the Acura dealer will treat you better.. However, if the car is very reliable - that won't make any difference...

When you lease the Genesis the resale value is calculated based on the projected value from a company located in LA. This company will determine the resale value of each car model for sale in the US. The manufacturer calculate your lease payment based on the figures provided. I can't recall the name of that company. Anywy, the projected resale value after 3 years is higher for the Genesis than Lexus, Benz, and BMW.

The 2009 Acura TL doesn't have proven reliability yet, it's a new vehicle.

I don't think Acura really carries the name prestige of the German companies if that is what you are looking for, since you mention it in your first post.

Since they are roughly the same cost go with whatever you like best for your situation and after a test drive.

I do want to mention resale value is a big factor when your tieing $40k in to a car. I wouldn't care as much if is was a compact or mid size car in the $15K to $25K range. You can't justify tieing that much in a car if is not going to worth much when you are done with it. (Unless you have $40K to burn and you do care about your return when you trade in in about 5 to 6 years). Yes all cars depreciate. All cars are like a block of ice. They are will melt. But a car that is sitting in the shade will melt slower that one sitting in the sun.

Acura Tl is a new design but it is not a new car to thier line-up like the Gen. I like the Gen and have test drove it a couple times. I have own 2 Sonata's (2002 and 2006) I still have both.

If anyone knows anything about Hyundai, is that they car usually sold with huge rebate and incentives to offset depreciation hits due to lack knowledge of consumers hyundai reliabilty. Resale is mostly assoiciated with the preception of the car. Hyundai are good cars (NOW) but still alot people don't precieve that they are as good as the Japs. That's why I just may have to take that risk if I get the Gen. But in Hyundai's defense people are slower becoming more aware the Hyundai is just as good and sometimes even better than other brand.

If you want Sporty.. buy the Acura

If you want luxury and comfort, by the Genesis.

They really are two separate cars.

I'm a 2007 Acura TL owner. I will drive the 2009 TL the next time I get an oil change. However, the car doesn't really do it for me stylistically. The exterior has grown on me... from the side and rear views I think the car looks great. I liked the beak on a silver car, it was very menacing-looking. I don't fault Acura for following a controversial styling approach. BMW did that with the current 7, and the styling was universally panned. But the car sold well, and the design trickled down to lower models as well as many other auto makers. Now people are criticizing the new 7 for being too conservative. Let's admit it, we car nuts are very tough to please. As to the interior, I did not particularly like it... it's very busy-looking. I have to think it's difficult to line up all those trim pieces. It is definitely more sport-oriented than the Genesis.

I'm facing a similar question when I trade my car in next year. Hyundai Genesis or Nissan Maxima? I rented the Maxima in Houston and thought it was the most fun car I've ever driven (even more so than my 2004 Mazda RX-8). The torque is addictive, the interior was great (in optional leather), and there is little to no torque steer.

When I drove the Genesis it was obvious that the car leans toward a more overt luxury equation. Realistically, I can see becoming bored with the car... but it's just so danged... competent!!! Most of my miles are in busy traffic so I really want a quiet, decompression car with a great stereo, and the Genesis would fit the bill perfectly.

Equipped the way I'd like, the Genesis is $4K more than the Maxima. That's the way I'm going to go, if I can afford it. If not, I'll end up with the more exciting car.

Tech wise, the Acura is aeons behind. Esp in terms of stereo.... I had previously (leased) a 2007 MDX and TL Type S (yea don't ask why) all within 2 months of each other. And got rid of them. The MDX is a gas hog. Back on topic.

The Acura. (A.sias C.urse U.pon R.ich A.mericans by the way) is heavy. It's a Honda (H.old O.n N.o D.amn A.cceleration) , so yea... it'll prob go forever.

Pros? Umm. Touch screen navigation. And REALLY comfortable seats. Maybe handling, and straight line accel.

Cons, Premium Fuel.... HORRIBLE stereo staging, relatively bad mpg compared to the genesis (yea that's a 2009 model compared to my (former) 07). Handling, on hard curves. Brakes - mushy. Felt like I was driving thru a pool of jello with fruit chunks when in traffic.

While the TL has less HP, MT estimates the 0-60 to be between 5.4-5.8 sec which would put it on par with the Genesis. The TL also offers SH-AWD for those concern about RWD performance in the snow. But, really two different cars here between the Genesis and the TL. Are you looking for a sports sedan or a luxury sedan? I do hate the grill on the TL, it's very ugly.

Funny... I am looking at the same 2 cars! I would also be looking more seriously at the new 2009 Audi A4s, but optioned the way I want it is almost $50k (for the 2.0T no less!) What is Audi thinking....

I've been contemplating the Genesis, but have waited to see what the V8 offers. I'm going to look at and probably drive a 2009 Acura TL this evening. I've read several reviews of the TL including one with a six-speed manual transmission, AWD model that won't be available until the 2010 model-year. All the reviews have said the looks were polarizing, the handling great, the power so-so, and the economy average. Edmunds said they expected low six-second 0-60 times, so the quickest TL would be a little quicker than the V6 Genesis, but not as quick as the V8. The TL's highway mileage is 25 matching that of the V8 Genesis. The fuel economy probably suffers due to the 5-speed automatic in the TL (and it requires premium fuel). Pricewise, a loaded TL (SH-AWD w/tech) is 42K, same as a Genesis V8 w/tech. I have tilted toward sportier cars in the past, but as I get older, the luxury cars are becoming more appealing. I really like the Lexus LS460, but I figure I only like it $8K more than the Genesis, not $25K more. Anyways, if the Genesis V8's had gotten here sooner, I'd probably already be driving one. Meanwhile, If I like the TL, I'll probably wait on the SH-AWD model that is due in November. If that is the case, I hope Acura is more accurate at estimating availability times than Hyundai!

wayoutwest said:

Funny... I am looking at the same 2 cars! I would also be looking more seriously at the new 2009 Audi A4s, but optioned the way I want it is almost $50k (for the 2.0T no less!) What is Audi thinking....

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Well when your parent company is VW and your controlling interest is Porsche.. Audi doesn't really think

RWD>FWD

Even if you get the AWD, its still FWD based.

Plus, I dont really dig the Bling Bling Grille of the TL, and its Accord Roots of the TL.

Moderators: can this thread be moved to the sub forum : Hyundai Genesis vs the Competition?

enjoyingsilence said:

Moderators: can this thread be moved to the sub forum : Hyundai Genesis vs the Competition?

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Thank you. I'm surprised I didn't notice this earlier... MOVED

Otherwise, I think the Acura RL is a better match to the Hyundai Genesis than the TL is...

I agree that the Acura RL is a better car-to-car comparison with the Genesis than the TL. The Acura TL, on the other hand, is a better price match. For people shopping in a price range, they would be remiss to not check out both brands.

Before I bought the Genesis, I also tested the TL (2008) and RL (2009). Here are some of my thoughts:

TL observations: I think the TL was pretty packed full of options for the price. The TL I looked at was comparable in trim level to a Genesis 3.8 with the Tech Package, but priced like a Genesis 3.8 with Premium Plus. It had the navi, rear camera, high end sound, the full works. Not that this is a dealmaker/breaker, but the TPMS on both Acuras is pretty cool as it displays actual tire pressure for each individual tire (I'm a geek). The ride of the TL was tight, sporty, and nimble compared to the Genesis, but you'd expect that with a smaller car. The TL felt outright cramped in the front and is significantly less roomy in the back. In terms of luxury finish, this car is not at the same level as the Genesis. Difficult to describe, but once you sit in both cars, you can just tell. The cabin sound can't compete with the Genesis. Noticeably louder. There was also a bunch of understeer in the handling. The comparison to the Genesis ride was very distinct (note I'm not saying necessarily in a bad way, but different). The comparison was very vivid to me because I tested all 3 cars in one afternoon.

RL observations: Not really a fair comparison because this car is potentially $15-20K more than the Genesis out the door. I feel that the interior finish of the Genesis vs the RL was pretty comparable and this says a lot given the price difference. I personally didn't like the front seat...can't explain it, but it left a bad impression. The front felt slightly more claustrophobic to me even though it appeared comparable in space to the Genesis. Definitely was as quiet as the Genesis. The back seat is definitely smaller than the Genesis, but bigger than the RL. The deal breaker for me here (besides the higher price) is that this car drove like my Dad's Buick. It felt loose and smooshy. It lacked the SOLID feel of the Genesis.

For the purposes of full disclosure, since I was looking at a 2008 TL, the dealer was probably giving me a favorable deal which made it seem like it was a more loaded car for the price. The price/value equation will definitely be different for a 2009 TL.