I should buy a 5.0 R-Spec, right guys?

[blacktom]

I've figured for a while that a V8 Genesis Sedan would be a good next car for me, but I always put it off because, you know, I don't need a new car.

But the prices on the remaining 2014 R-Spec models is becoming pretty tempting. Inspired by BkBlue's own purchase thread here, I've finally started down that path myself.

So. I should just get one, right? I haven't seen any stickies or epic "buyers guide" type threads, so please point me in that direction if you guys answer the same questions over and over. I doubt there are any huge problem areas in the 2014s, so I guess the only thing I might ask is: are you still glad you own your R-Spec?

I miss my Infiniti M45 Sport. When I drove the Genesis, it reminded me of that car (which we can all agree is an achievement), in all its huge over-the-top comfort and [excessive] performance. I have a fun and high-performing car now (Volvo V70R) that I very much enjoy. So I give up AWD, ultimate cargo capacity, amazing seats, unique appeal, and questionable reliability for luxo-barge gadgets, unnecessary smoky burnouts, air-conditioned seats, and a factory warranty.

When I put it that way, the choice seems obvious. But still...wagon. So, sell it to me, folks!

 

[MSUGenesis]

Yes!
I was on the fence until I drove a 2015. I like both cars but took the cheese when they offered the deep discounts on the 2013's and 2014's.
I have not regretted my decision or had any buyers remorse.
I dont have much to compare it to, since I have been driving pickups and SUV's for a while.
First and foremost, I love the 429HP V8! I wouldnt have any other engine.
The sound system is amazing. I find myself listening to music all the time now. (I used to listed to sports talk radio). I put all mys music on a USB stick.
It is a smooth and comfortable ride. The seats are good not excellent.
The brakes are very good too, just dont know why they didnt paint the rear calipers black, like the fronts on the Rspec.

 

[427435]

I'm still glad I bought mine after 18+ months and 15,000 miles.

If you live where it snows, plan on another set of wheels with dedicated winter tires.

 

[ForrestGump]

Expect 50% or more depreciation of your purchase price within the first year. Redesign hurts resale.

 

[DRS]

Depends. If they are able to hold the much higher price for second gen, may not hurt resale of first gem at all.

 

[blacktom]

Expect 50% or more depreciation of your purchase price within the first year. Redesign hurts resale.

This is why I'm thinking of heading in the direction of a lease. If I can get a price well below $40k and a residual value of 50% or more (it seems i can on both counts), then I'll drive the hell out of it for 3 years and let the lender handle the depreciation.

That said, I don't know if it the new models will affect depreciation on the 2014s all that much. Sure, they've lost value off their MSRP now, but Hyundai is taking care of that with heavy rebates and dealer incentives. And at that point, I think they're covering completely different markets. Someone interested in a $52k 2015 R-Spec isn't really the same type of buyer who would consider a $36k 2014 R-Spec. I can't imagine a one-year old 2014 being worth less than $20k a year from now, as you project. Of course, the guys that will take the biggest hit will be those who paid like $45k earlier this year.

In any event...I'm just hoping I can find a dealer with a car that he just really wants off his lot. Everybody wins!

 

[Gunkk]

Expect 50% or more depreciation of your purchase price within the first year. Redesign hurts resale.

It will be ~50% from msrp after three model years.

So that could be a 2013 next year, but I doubt anyone is going to pay msrp at this point.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

My 50,000-mile review of my 2012 R-Spec will be posted soon. Hint: I'm not at all sorry I bought it.

 

[ForrestGump]

It will be ~50% from msrp after three model years.

So that could be a 2013 next year, but I doubt anyone is going to pay msrp at this point.

I bought my 2013 3.8 base for a little under 50% of original MSRP.

 

[zielritter]

Buy a 3.8 - we're the better team. 5.0 is so passe.

I don't think you can go wrong with either model. The 3.8 (at least is its 12-14 GDI guise) is plenty fast but lacks the off the line push of the 5.0. Once it's moving though it's incredibly punchy. Arguably, the everyday ride of the 3.8 is better too. The R-Spec has been pegged in several reviews as unnecessarily harsh given it's handling is not especially sporting.

That being said, I would probably still buy one if the price was right. My power junky side frequently is at odds with my practical side.

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[Billfz1]

I've figured for a while that a V8 Genesis Sedan would be a good next car for me, but I always put it off because, you know, I don't need a new car.

But the prices on the remaining 2014 R-Spec models is becoming pretty tempting. Inspired by BkBlue's own purchase thread here, I've finally started down that path myself.

So. I should just get one, right? I haven't seen any stickies or epic "buyers guide" type threads, so please point me in that direction if you guys answer the same questions over and over. I doubt there are any huge problem areas in the 2014s, so I guess the only thing I might ask is: are you still glad you own your R-Spec?

I miss my Infiniti M45 Sport. When I drove the Genesis, it reminded me of that car (which we can all agree is an achievement), in all its huge over-the-top comfort and [excessive] performance. I have a fun and high-performing car now (Volvo V70R) that I very much enjoy. So I give up AWD, ultimate cargo capacity, amazing seats, unique appeal, and questionable reliability for luxo-barge gadgets, unnecessary smoky burnouts, air-conditioned seats, and a factory warranty.

When I put it that way, the choice seems obvious. But still...wagon. So, sell it to me, folks!

In a word YES. Buy one now. I bought a 2013.
I love mine. I enjoy the engine a lot. I also believe the handling of the R spec is great. I don't know about the knock some folks put on it. It sticks as well as any of the BMWs I have driven, with a bit more body roll. The only thing I would change would be more bolstered driver and passenger seat. The car can generate enough side force to make you slide around easily.
Bill

 

[landtuna]

I didn't really need a new car either when I just happened on the lot and parked right next to a new 2012 R-spec. I decided I had to have it. About the same time, and unknown to me, my cousin bought a 2012 3.8 Tech. Having driven and ridden in both cars here is my opinion:

If you like the availability of power and eye-bleeding accelleration then go for the R-spec. If you live in an area with rough roads and/or take long trips go for the 3.8. There is very little difference between the ride and most of the rough ride that people complain about in the R-spec is probably due to the low profile tires. Neither car is a sports or high performance car but both are fully capable of getting out of the way and the V8 can get you in trouble very quickly with its quiet effortless performance (at a fuel penalty of course).

The brakes on both are very good and the amenities are essentially equal (radio, nav, instrumentation etc.). The V8 will outdrag the V6 of course but in everyday driving the performance difference is not noticeable and the fuel economy is a bit better. My cousin gets just over 30 MPG on the highway in his V6 and I get just under 30 in my V8 so not a ton of difference.

The longest trip I've taken in the R-spec (on both smooth AZ and very rough CA roads) was 13 hours and the seats were comfortable enough although I was glad to hop out at the end of the day. If I lived in SoCal I would not be driving the R-spec as the roads are in deplorable shape and the ride is really jolting. It should be noted that I have a very bad back and it is almost impossible for me to enjoy a long car ride these days. The 2000 Avalon I had before the R-spec was more uncomfortable and most people think it is very good.

Both my R-spec and my cousin's 3.8 have been trouble-free. We both managed to kill our respective batteries by leaving the trunk lid slightly ajar but that has been the only issue (note to self - use heavy hand when closing the trunk lid). We both have been very happy with our respective cars although I have said before I would not likely buy such a full-featured vehicle again just because I don't use half the options.

 

[blacktom]

Thanks for the eager input, folks. I am myself a bit of a junkie for the unnecessary power the V8 would provide. Don't need it. Don't drag race. Don't find myself in any situation where 400+ hp is useful. But somehow I just like knowing it's there. I like feeling the hard acceleration from a stop light. I like making my wife uncomfortable powering out of turns. And I like the sound that a big engine makes while it's doing those things. It's not rational, but I like it.

So I'm going to try to get myself into one. Dealer quotes on a 2014 R-Spec have been generous, all things considered, but it's still more than I want to pay. And because the leftover new cars are discounted so much, it kind of makes less sense to buy a used one right now for only a few bucks less. So we're kind of in a zone where either I can afford a dirt-cheap new one, or I wait a year and pick up a used one for an even better price.

Regarding depreciation, Hyundai is currently giving a 50% residual (off MSRP) on three-year leases, for what it's worth, and that's seeming awfully optimistic at this point, based on the price they're selling for now. Which is why I'd like to get into just such a lease; but we'll just have to get the price as low as it can go.

 

[Gunkk]

I miss my Infiniti M45 Sport. When I drove the Genesis, it reminded me of that car (which we can all agree is an achievement), in all its huge over-the-top comfort and [excessive] performance.

While you're looking at an Rspec, test drive a 2015 5.0.

 

[blacktom]

While you're looking at an Rspec, test drive a 2015 5.0.

Oh I will, just to see if the suspension and handling is much different. Out of my price range, of course. The last time I drove the 2014 (while I was helping a buddy buy a Tucson), they didn't have any new 5.0s on the lot. Doing doughnuts in a church parking lot behind the wheel of an Equus was fun, though.

 

[JBoogie]

I had a 2011 Kia Optima SX (4cyl turbo. top of the line in 2011) and a 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP. Traded both those in and got a Jeep Gran Cherokee for the wife and one of the last 2012's at the end of 2013.

I have the rare 5.0 Non R-Spec. The Genesis has the 8 cyl engine that will get up and go but isnt as harsh as the G8. It also has (almost) all the tech stuff the Kia had in it.

The only thing i dont like about this car is the steering.. its too sensitive to road crowns and other imperfections.

Make sure u do a long (possibly overnight) test drive and make sure the one your thinking of buying drives straight on a flat road.

Other that the steering.. Love this car!!

 

[powert]

All I can tell you is that I love my 2013. Smooth, comfortable, and quiet even when rolling along in the triple digits (which it will get to in a hurry). And, not a single service issue.

BTW, my dealer is awesome. Free loaner for service, which I have used once (loaner was a nice used Genny), and a great lounge with nice big leather chairs and free and fast WIFI, which I used for a quick oil change. GM saw me that day and asked if I was set up for a loaner and I told him I didn't think I would be there long enough to bother. He told service guy if I wasn't out in 15 minutes to hook me up with one. From purchase to now, the best dealer experience ever.

 

[riverat26]

Yes you SHOULD! I absolutely love my 2013 Genesis rspec sedan! Coming from a 3.8 coupe what a difference... I constantly get complements on the stunning good looks. I looked at everything with a v8 and at 10 thousand off msrp on a 2013 it was a no Brainer!

 

[DRS]

Agreed... If I can help it, will never sell my first gen 5.0. And now have new Ultimate 5.0.

 

[blacktom]

I admire the enthusiasm in this revived thread. Perhaps you'll all be disappointed to learn that I ended up leasing a Cadillac ATS 2.0T Performance in November. Just couldn't get the price right (i.e., to the arbitrary number I decided I should pay) for a Genesis, the Hyundai Dealers around Texas were kind of hard to deal with (slow and not helpful communication), and I got a really fine deal on the Cadillac (which had pretty much the same MSRP as the R-Spec). It's a smaller car, tiny 2.0 turbo engine, obviously much less power and torque. But I deemed the ATS more comfortable and interesting on the interior, more sexy and aggressive on the exterior, sized more toward what I needed, a good deal more fun to drive quickly, and a bit more economical. So far, so good. There are days when I wish I had the Genesis, and whatever the new one is will be on my list in 3 years (if I last that long, which I rarely do). Thanks for all the input. Cheers!