2009 sedan EGR monitor not ready for smog check

[Davit97]

Hi I have a 2009 Genesis 3.8 sedan, it has no faulty codes or any problems, but the California smog won't pass due to the EGR monitor not being ready, I have driven the car for about 400 miles and it still is not ready. I want to know is there a specific way i need to drive or how long should i drive for it to pass, Any help will be helpfull
Thanks

 

[ditedog]

I have the same California car (year and engine, 80k miles) and I have not heard of that....be interesting to see what others think. FYI, took it in for smog about 6 weeks ago and was surprised to see them NOT put it on the dyno... he just hooked to the OBD II connection, took a few readings and told me I passed, first time for that.

 

[amartz]

It's been that way in North Carolina for a few years now. No more probe up the tailpipe, just hook it up and go.

 

[Gwforum]

I took my 2009 3.8 in for a smog check last week and it didn't pass for the same reason. The smog shop asked if I had replaced the battery and I told them I had. They told me to drive the car a few days and bring it back for a retest. I told them the car had been driven about 900 miles since the new battery was installed, they didn't have any other ideas. I took the car to my local dealer and I'm still waiting for an update. I was told one other person brought their car in for the same problem and they are waiting to hear back from the Hyundai engineers. I hope to have an answer on Monday.

 

[landtuna]

AZ hasn't had tailpipe tests for a number of years now (except opacity tests for diesels). They seem to use the vehicle's own diagnostics via the ODB-II plug and if that's OK then you pass. The mandatory tests don't begin until the car is in its fifth year of registration. And only two counties in AZ actually run emissions programs.

 

[FastDEW1]

It's called Rate Based Monitoring. You need to alternate the cycle. Start stops. Traffic. Etc.

Simple miles doesn't do it. The system looks at how the EGR and other items work in various environments and then uses a numerical integer process that adds over time.

 

[Davit97]

Any one know how i need to drive the car to get it to pass, all other monitors are ready to go besides the egr, is there a specific way I need to drive it ?
I need to pass the smog to get it registered

 

[Davit97]

Also I called the hyundai dealer, they said they have no idea whT is wrong with it and they had the same issue with another older model hyundai

 

[FastDEW1]

Do a web search for Rate Based Monitoring on OBDII. You will find some things about it at CARB (California Air Resources Board). There are some presentations out there online. It uses a Numerator and a Denominator. Basically it counts how many times a particular "cycle" has run on the EGR (and other devices) and how many times the vehicle has run. So each time the vehicle runs it adds numerically to the Denominator. Each time an EGR cycle runs, it adds to the Numerator. There needs to be a certain number of each in order for the percentages to be correct for a passing on the OBDII download for emissions testing.

You might be able to call a company like Boshart Engineering who specializes in this type of thing and get some idea on how to get it to cycle.

 

[incontrovertible]

Hi I have a 2009 Genesis 3.8 sedan, it has no faulty codes or any problems, but the California smog won't pass due to the EGR monitor not being ready, I have driven the car for about 400 miles and it still is not ready. I want to know is there a specific way i need to drive or how long should i drive for it to pass, Any help will be helpfull
Thanks

I have the same car in California (Silicon Valley) with the exact same problem. After lots of driving and failing two tests, I took it to the dealer .The dealer gave me a complex drive cycle which I have performed several times. I then took it to a smog test/repair shop . The EGR was still not ready. The tech said I should take it back to the dealer. He also said they would probably just try to get rid of me by telling me to keep driving some more. Help!

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[FastDEW1]

It sounds like Hyundai has an OBDII problem. This could lead to a recall. You need to check with Hyundai North America and begin causing some noise to them.

 

[incontrovertible]

I took my 2009 3.8 in for a smog check last week and it didn't pass for the same reason. The smog shop asked if I had replaced the battery and I told them I had. They told me to drive the car a few days and bring it back for a retest. I told them the car had been driven about 900 miles since the new battery was installed, they didn't have any other ideas. I took the car to my local dealer and I'm still waiting for an update. I was told one other person brought their car in for the same problem and they are waiting to hear back from the Hyundai engineers. I hope to have an answer on Monday.

Have you solved the problem? Did you get any response from Hyundai?

 

[Gwforum]

The problem has still not been solved. After keeping my car 10 days the dealer told me to get a temporary operating permit and they will continue contacting Hyundai and call me when they find a solution. I was told that another customer had the same problem and a technician took the car home for two days and put about 100 miles on the car attempting to find the right driving cycle but when the car was smog checked afterwards it failed again. I spoke to a representative of the California Air Resources Board who reviewed my smog check results and he told me it appears there is an issue with the OBDII system and he would contact Hyundai to try to get some answers. He called me last week and said he is still waiting to hear back from Hyundai. I called HMA consumer affairs today and alerted them to the problem, they opened a case but didn't have a solution. All I was told is that the problem should be covered under warranty but they do not currently have enough data (IE: complaints) to issue a recall.

 

[incontrovertible]

Gwforum, thanks for update yesterday.

You said:

"I called HMA consumer affairs today and alerted them to the problem, they opened a case but didn't have a solution. All I was told is that the problem should be covered under warranty but they do not currently have enough data (IE: complaints) to issue a recall."

I called HMMA consumer affairs and gave them my story. The rep did not have any information about similar claims. She gave me a (new) case number and promised to contact the dealer, check with Hyundai support engineers and get back to me in 2-3 business days.

Also, on June 27, I wrote:

" I have the same car in California (Silicon Valley) with the exact same problem. After lots of driving and failing two tests, I took it to the dealer .The dealer gave me a complex drive cycle which I have performed several times. I then took it to a smog test/repair shop . The EGR was still not ready. The tech said I should take it back to the dealer. He also said they would probably just try to get rid of me by telling me to keep driving some more. Help!"

I called the dealer again yesterday. Predictably, he told me to go to another smog test repair shop and have them run the drive cycle on a dyno. I'm hesitant to pay another $100+ while being skeptical that this would solve the problem.

Please post your results if you've had this done. Thanks.

 

[Gwforum]

I received a message from Hyundai today stating my case had been transferred from consumer affairs to the western regional office and a case analyst will contact me in 3 to 5 days.

I was also contacted by a C.A.R.B representative who told me he discovered that about a third of the 2009 Genesis models that have been smog checked since May have had the same problem that some of us are experiencing. He is still awaiting a response from Hyundai. He suggested I buy an inexpensive scan tool so that I can check the vvt/egr readiness status and offered to check my car with their scan tools if I wanted to take a trip to their office in El Monte. He also provided me with the following information and the attached drive cycle. I have not tried it yet but would like to know if it works for anyone.

Here is the drive cycle published in the service information for the 2009 Genesis. The information we have indicates that VVT readiness (which shows up as EGR readiness on a scan tool) requires high load driving; probably the 0-55 mph accelerations in less than 15 seconds are where they expect it to occur.

 

[incontrovertible]

I performed this drive cycle numerous times. It did not reset the EGR/VVT monitor.

BTW, it's a real challenge to get through the cycle in a metropolitan area. There's simply no open roads where you can do it without becoming a traffic statistic. It's absolutely unreasonable for any manufacturer or government agency to expect a consumer to accomplish this task.

 

[Mark_888]

So is the solution to keep electrical system charged while changing the battery? Has this occurred anywhere outside of California?

 

[Gunkk]

Why doesn't the smog center actually test the ****ing exhaust and be done with it?! Why all of this electronics runaround BS when the whole point is to verify that the exhaust is running clean?!

 

[incontrovertible]

Gwforum, Have you heard anything from the Hyundai western regional office yet? My case is following a similar route. I'm also waiting to hear from the Western Regional Office.

I received a message from Hyundai today stating my case had been transferred from consumer affairs to the western regional office and a case analyst will contact me in 3 to 5 days.

I was also contacted by a C.A.R.B representative who told me he discovered that about a third of the 2009 Genesis models that have been smog checked since May have had the same problem that some of us are experiencing. He is still awaiting a response from Hyundai. He suggested I buy an inexpensive scan tool so that I can check the vvt/egr readiness status and offered to check my car with their scan tools if I wanted to take a trip to their office in El Monte. He also provided me with the following information and the attached drive cycle. I have not tried it yet but would like to know if it works for anyone.

Here is the drive cycle published in the service information for the 2009 Genesis. The information we have indicates that VVT readiness (which shows up as EGR readiness on a scan tool) requires high load driving; probably the 0-55 mph accelerations in less than 15 seconds are where they expect it to occur.

 

[Gwforum]

I got a call on 7/1 from my local dealer stating a field engineer was going to be available 7/2 and asking me to drop my car off. On 7/3 I got a call from the dealer stating the VVT/EGR had a ready status in the scan tool and I could pick up the car. I asked if it would pass the smog test now and I was told it would not because it had to go through several drive cycles. The service department told me I could drive it for 2 months (which they knew I could not do since my temporary operating permit expires in 30 days) or a tech could drive it around over the weekend and I would be charged 2 hours of labor. I asked the service tech why it was not being covered under warranty and was not given a satisfactory answer but I told him to have the tech drive the car since I really didn't have any other options.

I called the western regional office several times between 7/6 and 7/7 to inquire why the solution was not covered by the emissions warranty but got no response. I picked up the car on 7/7 and had it re-tested and it passed the smog test. I received a call today (7/9) from the western regional office asking me if my car had been looked at and if the problem had been fixed. I told the rep that it had been fixed and passed the smog test but that the dealer charged me $220. I was told that they would look into it and asked me to fax paperwork from the dealer. The rep stated she could not process a refund until I received my registration but didn't say why.

On the bright side I can legally drive my car in CA for the next 2 years (hopefully the problem doesn't return if I get a dead battery), on the dark side I'm out $220, at least for now.