Just saw the 2010

[jwaters943]

Oh, so I get to give up the good stereo, cooled seats etc so I don't have to pay $1000 for the adaptive cruise???

For what it's worth, I've owned a totally gut loaded M45 Infiniti that did have all the stuff - including the adaptive cruise. As I stated in one of my posts, I understand that there is no perfect car out there. I'm just stating my opinion on what I think of having to pony up for a feature that damn near nobody likes.

I don't know if you've ever driven a car with the adaptive cruise - it's not a matter of liking to play with gadgets - I actually do. But it's one gadget that after about 10 miles will more than likely drive you nuts. But each to their own opinion - I'm okay with the fact that maybe I'm the oddball.

Well FWIW, there is a bit of debate about how much better the 17 speaker Lexicon is compared to the 14 speaker system. Also, the adaptive cruise control isn't always on, so if you don't like it, don't use it. I fail to see why a couple extra features and a VERY small 2% difference in cost has your feathers so ruffled.

 

[jmatero]

I agree. Almost every car on the market has a price increase year-to-year. My experiences with dynamic cruise on my 330i were amazing. None of the issues described above. I guess it all depends how it is implemented my each manufacturer. I also agree with the hill-holder feature. It's on the 7-series BMW and is great when you're in traffic.

 

[akuma]

does the 2010 get power folding mirrors like the new Sonata?

 

[jwaters943]

Unfortunately no. I can't see why Hyundai includes this on the Azera and not the Genesis. I park against a metal support post at work and it would make life so much easier if I had power folding mirrors. That is probably the only feature on my GS430 that I miss.

 

[jjsC6]

Well FWIW, there is a bit of debate about how much better the 17 speaker Lexicon is compared to the 14 speaker system. Also, the adaptive cruise control isn't always on, so if you don't like it, don't use it. I fail to see why a couple extra features and a VERY small 2% difference in cost has your feathers so ruffled.

I think you have over estimated how ruffled my feathers are for starters. I simply stated my opinion about the price increase based upon a feature that I don't want.

Also, you should understand that I was not thinking about buying a $50k car and am now thrilled to be able to buy a $43k car. Truth is that because lease deals are not what they were two years ago (I prefer to lease as it's my business car), I was really looking for something under $40k.

While the $1000 difference may not seem like a big deal, it is going to push the car higher than I was hoping for, especially if lease deals are not very good when I'm ready.

Again though, I'm not trying to make this as big of an issue as some of you seem to think - just stating my opinion. FWIW, I also hate the full sunroof on my CTS that I pretty much had to get to get the other stuff I wanted, but I did take it.

 

[jwaters943]

@jjsC6: Fair enough.

Good luck w/ your decision. Let us know what you end up with, whether it be a Genesis or something else.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Well FWIW, there is a bit of debate about how much better the 17 speaker Lexicon is compared to the 14 speaker system. Also, the adaptive cruise control isn't always on, so if you don't like it, don't use it. I fail to see why a couple extra features and a VERY small 2% difference in cost has your feathers so ruffled.

It all depends on if you want a DVD player or a CD player. Having discovered surround DVD-A's since this car, I can't imagine going back to stereo.

 

[FIAT]

Anyone out in CA able to go by the dealership in San Jose and drive a 2010 and report back?

 

[jwaters943]

It all depends on if you want a DVD player or a CD player. Having discovered surround DVD-A's since this car, I can't imagine going back to stereo.

Yes, they do sound good. Too bad DVD-A discs are few and far between. It's a dead technology IMO.

 

[jmatero]

I'll stop by there tonight after work and report back! Stay tuned...

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[dataguy]

I hope you are right. But I've been a huge car nut for over 40 years and am pretty good at understanding the dynamics that make a car sell or not sell. I think the jury is still out on the Hyundai.

Hyundai is about as low on the status totem pole as you can get. Even though $40,000 is a bargain for what you get, it's still a $40,000 Hyundai, and not a terribly good buying experience at your local dealer spending 98% of their time hawking $15,000 economy cars.

Please uderstand that I'm not trying to be the snob or argue about the merits of the car. I'm here because I'm genuinely interested in one (I have about 5 months left on my CTS lease). I'm just stating what I think the realities are that Hyundai is facing.

It's also pretty interesting how they've managed to develop a fairly loyal fan base from the budget market. This is the fourth Hyundai we've owned, and each generation is getting better. I think the Sonata has eclipsed the Japanese family sedan, and the Genesis is a shot across the bow for their premium brands.

I went to a market research group with Genesis owners, and they mentioned that the Genesis group was by far the most harsh critics and brand-loyal of all of the groups, including CTS owners. (I like the CTS alot, BTW--it was one of my finalists in cars to buy, but the Genesis' room makes the Caddy look like a compact).

While the execution on the high-end luxury brands and dealer experience are more refined than Hyundai, there's nothing in the price segment, apples to apples. I know that the brand is stigmatized and will probably never have a premium cachet (hence I fully expect a brand spin-off one of these years). For example nobody could take GoldStar seriously as a consumer brand, but a name change and focus on quality, has paid off for LG ("Lucky GoldStar").

Badges off, most people probably wouldn't guess the Genesis is a Hyundai. Most people who have seen mine guess Bentley, Mercedes-Benz, or BMW.

 

[dataguy]

These things become fairly constant occurances that if you had a regular cruise control on you would have simply adjusted for.

In instance number one, you would have realized you were coming up on the slower moving car and you would have passed him.

In instances 2 and 3 you would have done nothing except maintain your 70 mph cruise because they were no threat to you safety.

Those are good points. But the flip side is that in certain areas (like metropolitan freeways), cruise control is otherwise completely useless. It's more of a distraction to me to have to brake and then have the CC for a few slow people. And as far as #1, my wife would argue that I do that just fine without CC ("Why are you following the slow traffic, 'Grandpa'?")

The tech is clearly evolving and will be standard equipment in not too many years, just like CC used to be optional or only on high-end cars.

http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/magazine/17-08/pl_motor

 

[crupp]

My big gripe with the Smart Cruise is if someone comes in your lane and within the distance you have set the car (my wifes Sienna) tends to over react and apply more breaking than needed and beeps like wild fire which causes my wife to punch my arm as if I did something wrong!

 

[jjsC6]

Thanks to the above posts for well thought out reponses. I think most of the guys on this forum are pretty realistic about the pros and cons of the cars.

 

[GenesisSdnFan]

If one of you lucky Californians would take some photographs, particularly of the brown interior that looks less red, it would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Good article..

http://ask.cars.com/2009/09/when-wi...be-for-sale-and-what-will-be-the-changes.html

 

[rkgenesis]

The Adaptive Cruise Control, Electronic Parking Brakes, and Touch Screen cost money. I don't think $1,000 increase is anything to complain about. Let's say that Hyundai added these features while not increasing the price of the Genesis. Wouldn't someone complain that 2009 Genesis were over charged? I bet someone definitely would, and we would have a huge thread going on-and-on about how people were over charged?

It's $1000 wasted on something that I don't want - regardless of how much it is on a BMW. I understand that every car might have features I don't want. But when they add that much to the price of the car, and they are a feature that I will NEVER use, its a particularly sore point.

If Genesis had "A La Carte"-ed all these options, you would end up having the BMW style price creep. In many cars, there are many things that person either doesn't use or want. However, such thing isn't a sour point. You simply don't use the Adaptive Cruise control or other features. I never use the Mail Merge on Microsoft Word. I am not going to start using Microsoft Works or Wordpad because I don't need this feature nor would I complain about it. Bundling saves money.

About the dealer inventory. It looks like Hyundai doesn't need any incentives to sell these Genesis. The dealerships that I went to didn't really want to negotiate more than the invoice pricing, which I think they all caught on this game of invoice price. The game could be that the Hyundai/Manufacturer sells these cars at some invoice price while giving extra cash to dealers per car sold. So, the game is on their side. So, not sure whether these invoice pricing scheme is solid; although, it is still better than paying MSRP... Just a thought.

I have recently driven (2009s) G37 Sedan, Genesis Sedan 4.6, Pontiac G8 GT, and Lexus IS350 back to back. I thought G37's suspension is bouncy. In comparison, Genesis Sedan was very composed and well smooth-ed out. So, compared to G37, Genesis isn't anything to complain about. The Pontiac G8 GT was smoother than all of these cars. Lexus IS was just busy all over the place. Genesis felt big but it was very quiet and smooth.

(In the order of the best to the worst)
Smooth Ride: Pontiac G8 GT, Genesis 4.6, G37, and IS350.
Noise: Genesis 4.6, Pontiac G8 GT, G37, IS350.
Handling: Pontiac G8 GT/G37, IS350, Genesis 4.6
Cost: G37/IS350, Genesis 4.6, Pontiac G8 GT

What was so surprising about this back to back test drive was how good Pontiac G8 GT was... Also, Genesis was way better packaged then the G37 and the best car of all 4 overall.

If anyone thought Genesis' suspension was bad, go test drive the IS350 and G37. I think those car will give you better perspectives.

 

[jmatero]

Yes, the G8 GT is an unbelievable car... just phenomenal. Too bad it doesn't have navigation but honestly, I'm hoping when I'm in the market in 6 months there will be a few left out there. Tied with the Genesis for me... seems a little smaller.

 

[joedoe]

Test draw the 4.6 2010 today

Suspension feels stable, electronic brake hold works well, didn't try the adaptive cruise control, didn't notice any engine lag after the rolling stop

 

[dataguy]

Re: Test draw the 4.6 2010 today

Suspension feels stable, electronic brake hold works well, didn't try the adaptive cruise control, didn't notice any engine lag after the rolling stop

Thanks for the report and pics!
So they've also kept the Dunlops. It's also interesting to see how they accommodated the adaptive CC...for some reason, the way it was described, I thought they changed the chrome grill, not the lower one.