Official 0-60 & 1/4 mile thread

[Vortex951]

Hey guys,

Wanted to pop in here to get an idea of where I should go next for some simple bolt-ons and what the gains are on those. Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to tune map 6 with a friend due to the stay at home orders.

However, I'd like to reach out and see where you guys got the most benefit after the JB4/plugs etc. Right now I'm considering FMIC, intakes, or perhaps some modifications to the exhaust. I'll probably pick up some boostane and go for other maps as well, but I was wondering where you guys saw most secondary improvement.

I'm not sure if I'll be keeping this after the lease (might go for the GV80, but also maybe a Tesla, we'll see), so I'm not sure how good of an idea a WMI kit would be, but definitely would consider it. If anyone could provide some feedback that would be sweet!

So if you are leasing I would recommend not going passed intakes.
As far as what helps I have everything and my car absolutely screams. Just waiting to get to sea level after this virus so I can take a stab at the platform world record. Everything helps. But intakes to me did the most as far as Bolt ons alone. They helped my throttle response for sure. But and response it helps the FMIC for sure takes away and then some. Before my FMIC I would get spool around 1500 rpm and now I don’t get it till around 2200. It definitely creates a good chunk of lag. But with that being said when you are WOT you are never that low so it helps keep air cooler thus creating more power.
So my two cents would be get some intakes and leave it like that u til you decide if you are going to keep it or not. I bought my car so I’m in full send mode

 

[Toddasaurus]

Hey guys,

Wanted to pop in here to get an idea of where I should go next for some simple bolt-ons and what the gains are on those. Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to tune map 6 with a friend due to the stay at home orders.

However, I'd like to reach out and see where you guys got the most benefit after the JB4/plugs etc. Right now I'm considering FMIC, intakes, or perhaps some modifications to the exhaust. I'll probably pick up some boostane and go for other maps as well, but I was wondering where you guys saw most secondary improvement.

I'm not sure if I'll be keeping this after the lease (might go for the GV80, but also maybe a Tesla, we'll see), so I'm not sure how good of an idea a WMI kit would be, but definitely would consider it. If anyone could provide some feedback that would be sweet!

IMO, an intake gives the biggest gains as far as a single bolt on part is concerned. An FMIC would be pretty good too, but I think you'll really only appreciate gains from that when you're pushing the car really hard, like at a track or for autocross. An exhaust will certainly help, but I don't think the gains are as effective as far as the cost goes.

Terry seems to be doing some work for the EWG control with the JB4, and perhaps we'll see some more improvements with that in the near future. Otherwise, I think there are a couple of flash tunes that will net the best gains, though say goodbye to your warranty.

 

[FornicatorSteve]

IMO, an intake gives the biggest gains as far as a single bolt on part is concerned. An FMIC would be pretty good too, but I think you'll really only appreciate gains from that when you're pushing the car really hard, like at a track or for autocross. An exhaust will certainly help, but I don't think the gains are as effective as far as the cost goes.

Terry seems to be doing some work for the EWG control with the JB4, and perhaps we'll see some more improvements with that in the near future. Otherwise, I think there are a couple of flash tunes that will net the best gains, though say goodbye to your warranty.

Awesome, thanks Todd!

I've been debating between the different intakes and see some have fitment issues. But I'll probably do those next, then.

I'd also like to do the Velossatech snorkels, but if I go with a FMIC later, apparently they don't work with them (or at least some brands don't).

May not do a full exhaust then, perhaps just a downpipe to help it be less restrictive while keeping everything mostly stock?

Again, super appreciated. Sad I haven't posted much, nor have I had a chance to take it to the drag strip. Was planning on driving down to Palm Bay to just Hoon it but it seems they have it cordoned off due to the lockdown.

 

[FornicatorSteve]

So if you are leasing I would recommend not going passed intakes.
As far as what helps I have everything and my car absolutely screams. Just waiting to get to sea level after this virus so I can take a stab at the platform world record. Everything helps. But intakes to me did the most as far as Bolt ons alone. They helped my throttle response for sure. But and response it helps the FMIC for sure takes away and then some. Before my FMIC I would get spool around 1500 rpm and now I don’t get it till around 2200. It definitely creates a good chunk of lag. But with that being said when you are WOT you are never that low so it helps keep air cooler thus creating more power.
So my two cents would be get some intakes and leave it like that u til you decide if you are going to keep it or not. I bought my car so I’m in full send mode

Oops I never saw this comment but I definitely appreciated it.

My friend told me this evening that a down pipe and heat exchanger would do the best for me as Florida's just so darn hot.

I'm just surprised his little GTI handily took me to Gapplebees. He's a tune, fuel pump, & downpipe currently, but sails ahead on the top end which was very surprising. I get him from a dig due to his limited traction, but I don't hold that too long.

We're going to tune a map 6, but doubt that'll be enough without going e30.

That's the only part where I feel sluggish is the top end, I wish it had a bit more oomph.

 

[Slip_Angle]

What does the GTI run in the 1/4 mile?

 

[Vortex951]

Oops I never saw this comment but I definitely appreciated it.

My friend told me this evening that a down pipe and heat exchanger would do the best for me as Florida's just so darn hot.

I'm just surprised his little GTI handily took me to Gapplebees. He's a tune, fuel pump, & downpipe currently, but sails ahead on the top end which was very surprising. I get him from a dig due to his limited traction, but I don't hold that too long.

We're going to tune a map 6, but doubt that'll be enough without going e30.

That's the only part where I feel sluggish is the top end, I wish it had a bit more oomph.

Is it a golf gti? I thought those were awd lol. I’m assuming by heat exchanger he means intercooler for your car tho right? A heat exchanger is much more common on a supercharged set up but they are used on turbod big hp set ups as they work better. But for our platform it’s probably not worth using one.

As far as the down pipes I’m still using the oem downpipe but I did do an aftermarket midpipe with secondary deletes. Currently the world record on draggy for our platform is a stinger that is using oem primary downpipes. He also thinks they are not a part truly needed to be replaced at current level of performance for these cars. I don’t think I’ll replace my downpipes due to some cars having oil seeping through the turbos with the lack of back pressure. Also it seems these cars like to overboost when those are straight pipes as well and all cars removed. I am using a custom map 6 myself and still working on dialing it in but for now it looks promising.

I have also used e30 and have started to get a lean afr safety every once in a while when I just drop the hammer randomly. Not often. Maybe once out of every 3-4 tanks of e30. I have since been using straight 100 octane race gas ( which is a nice little chunk of money) but it is so much more reliable. No possibilities of messing up mixtures. I think the lean afr came from the ethanol being a little thicker than normal gas. Plus I was having spots of high pressure fuel drop using e30. Also on rare occasions. Hasn’t happened once yet since using race gas.

 

[FornicatorSteve]

Is it a golf gti? I thought those were awd lol. I’m assuming by heat exchanger he means intercooler for your car tho right? A heat exchanger is much more common on a supercharged set up but they are used on turbod big hp set ups as they work better. But for our platform it’s probably not worth using one.

As far as the down pipes I’m still using the oem downpipe but I did do an aftermarket midpipe with secondary deletes. Currently the world record on draggy for our platform is a stinger that is using oem primary downpipes. He also thinks they are not a part truly needed to be replaced at current level of performance for these cars. I don’t think I’ll replace my downpipes due to some cars having oil seeping through the turbos with the lack of back pressure. Also it seems these cars like to overboost when those are straight pipes as well and all cars removed. I am using a custom map 6 myself and still working on dialing it in but for now it looks promising.

I have also used e30 and have started to get a lean afr safety every once in a while when I just drop the hammer randomly. Not often. Maybe once out of every 3-4 tanks of e30. I have since been using straight 100 octane race gas ( which is a nice little chunk of money) but it is so much more reliable. No possibilities of messing up mixtures. I think the lean afr came from the ethanol being a little thicker than normal gas. Plus I was having spots of high pressure fuel drop using e30. Also on rare occasions. Hasn’t happened once yet since using race gas.

Nah the Golf R is AWD. This little stinker will spin at 80+ though, it's quick for being tame. And yes, I believe he used heat exchanger interchangeably with intercooler. I honestly thought that's where I'd get the best gains before.

But I'm definitely more trusting of people that have done the mods than theorycrafting the drivetrain, lol. It seems the consensus (including the stinger forums) is that its tune > intake (or WMI being about the same) > WMI (or intake) > FMIC > unsprung weight > exhaust.

Honestly wondering how much more the 3.5 can have eeked out versus the 3.3. I have a feeling my next car might be electric or a turbo V8, but I still don't mind putting things into this car while I have it. Itll It'll really depend on how the market for them looks when my lease comes up, but might as well have fun with it and learn during my ownership.

 

[Vortex951]

Nah the Golf R is AWD. This little stinker will spin at 80+ though, it's quick for being tame. And yes, I believe he used heat exchanger interchangeably with intercooler. I honestly thought that's where I'd get the best gains before.

But I'm definitely more trusting of people that have done the mods than theorycrafting the drivetrain, lol. It seems the consensus (including the stinger forums) is that its tune > intake (or WMI being about the same) > WMI (or intake) > FMIC > unsprung weight > exhaust.

Honestly wondering how much more the 3.5 can have eeked out versus the 3.3. I have a feeling my next car might be electric or a turbo V8, but I still don't mind putting things into this car while I have it. Itll It'll really depend on how the market for them looks when my lease comes up, but might as well have fun with it and learn during my ownership.

The rs6 is coming to the us soon haha. That will be a beast of a turbo v8. But I think I’m going to build a twin turbo v10. Nice little project after I buy a house. I do if you have seen the srt 10 twin turbod making over 2400hp at the wheels with an air transmission for clamping and anti lag tech. They are absolutely insane 40-180mph in about 4 seconds or less holding close to 2 Gs of Force almost the whole pull only uses two gears

 

[Vortex951]

But I would be curious what that gti is running for a 1/4 mile. If it’s spinning at 80 it’s gotta be making great power. Should be pretty light too. And on top of that Florida da makes for some good times

 

[FornicatorSteve]

The rs6 is coming to the us soon haha. That will be a beast of a turbo v8. But I think I’m going to build a twin turbo v10. Nice little project after I buy a house. I do if you have seen the srt 10 twin turbod making over 2400hp at the wheels with an air transmission for clamping and anti lag tech. They are absolutely insane 40-180mph in about 4 seconds or less holding close to 2 Gs of Force almost the whole pull only uses two gears

I've had my eyes on that RS6 since its announcement of coming to the US; always been jealous of the European market in that aspect.

I'd also consider an S8 or similar, though the refreshed one is 60% piano gloss inside. Perhaps a used RS7 as those have come down a bit but have plateaued in their price, at least as of now.

The new CT5 Blackwing looks like it could also be super solid, and I'd love if they came out with a wagon. I don't think I could do those absolutely wild builds, though. Still want something comfortable as a daily that can shear my face off when need be. I'll definitely need to take a look at a P100D but the interiors don't do much for me.

Unfortunately, I've been bitten by the bug.

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[FornicatorSteve]

But I would be curious what that gti is running for a 1/4 mile. If it’s spinning at 80 it’s gotta be making great power. Should be pretty light too. And on top of that Florida da makes for some good times

He was running a 12.7 @ 110 back when he was just a tune. Now with the downpipe, intercooler, and fuel injectors I have no idea since he just got it back (trans had issues, somehow got a new one under warranty still) about 3 weeks ago and haven't been able to run it at the strip yet.

His buddy also has a Q60RS that just ran 11.7 the last time they took it out. I went in it before they put in the LSD and it was scary. Pretty car, but the interior is unimpressive for what it aspires to be.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Golf R's can be really quick when modded, as in, they'll get into the 10's, easily, on the 1/4 when running an upgraded turbo along with full bolt-ons. Makes me jealous!! But the way it looks, inside and out, and that dumb haldex AWD system, immediately makes me unjealous. Haha.

Also, if that Q60 red sport is running 11's, that's one mean machine as well.

Anyway, I'm with both of you about the new RS6, and even a used RS7. Both those cars are pretty dang sweet. But, I'm also looking forward to the next generation G70. If the rumors are true, there may be a 420HP version of the 3.5tt. Combine that with about 200lbs less weight due to more aluminum in the body, then we got something that might be worth waiting for.

As for the downpipes on our car, I don't think it's worth it. People are not seeing any significant gains after swapping them. Like @Vortex951 mentioned, many people are actually having problems with the turbos beginning to leak oil into the exhaust when running aftermarket downpipes. It seems that the only real benefit is quicker spool time and an overall more broad powerband - both of which are good things, but don't seem like they're worth it. Most other turbo cars get excellent gains from downpipes alone. But, I think the turbine side of our turbos are just too restrictive to get the same gains. Hopefully the new 3.5 changes this.

 

[Slip_Angle]

well this is interesting... 2nd gear launch

 

[Vortex951]

well this is interesting... 2nd gear launch

I’ve tried them with normal lc. Did t seem to help. I have also been thinking about trying this at the track once I get my drag slicks and the tracks re open. Not sure when that will happen. I’ll try to comment and see if he is putting the pedal all the way down to the kick down switch cause that’s how I try to launch my snip set up and I’m at 14 psi. Once I try this tho I’ll report back

 

[Vortex951]

Everyone please pray for @Toddasaurus amd myself. Nothing wrong with us but @Slip_Angle is creeping up the ranks and looking to take us down!!!!!!

 

[Toddasaurus]

Yes, we need your thoughts and prayers. We will do our best through this difficult time of uncertainty, and we believe will be stronger in the end because of it.

Sincerely,
-Toddasaurus and Vortex951

 

[Vortex951]

I would like to say this... I am incredibly happy at the morale in this forum. Everyone is very mature and respectful to one another unlike the stinger forums. Which makes me know 100 percent without a doubt I picked the right version of this platform and am happy to share all my experiences with you guys on here!!!!! Now let’s get back to the friendly competition of times!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Slip_Angle]

Wait wait.. what kinda role reversal are you two trying here? I'm just the little guy trying to keep up with the big dogs. Don't let them fool you people, they are like the Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull here and me.. just representing the common man (with a sweet DA). It is I who you should be praying for! The underdog! No fancy intakes, exhaust or dreams of light wheels and fancy ecu tunes..

 

[Toddasaurus]

@Slip_Angle representing the people, crushing times with nothing but raw skill and fierce determination! You go, boy!!

 

[Vortex951]

@Slip_Angle are you still using your parking brake launch ?