How many 2012 owners have complained about the transmission to Hyundai?

[037]

Yesterday is the 1st time thew lag scared me. Pulling left around a slow cart on the freeway, I saw a car coming up quicker than I expected. Slam the gas pedal down and I'm still stitting there at the same speed until the tranny catches and propels me like a bat out of hell. But I was really nervous for 2 seconds.

The idea of switching to manual and then downshifting in that situation is not reality based. I did not expect that car to be coming that fast. I misjudged and a truly great car helps me to overcome my mistakes. It does not make me take a circuitous, time consuming, and dangerous work around.

With my previous car, an 2011 Acura TL SH-AWD, everythig was instaneous. It was immediately responsive, nimble, and extremely secure....no body roll or wavering of any type.

Time to accept the Genny for what it is. It has limitations that can't be argued or rationalized away. And it has attributes that can't be matched at its price point.

It's a cruiser. A fast cruiser, yes, but not a car I'd ever be comfortable tossing around curves like a BMW, Acura or Infinity.

yea...when it's a driver error like that, you definitely could use a faster shifting tranny, and Genesis just doesn't have it.

I believe '11 TL has a new 6 speed Tranny which is no 8, it also doesn't accelerate as fast as the Genny.

Not sure why you made the switch, AWD TL is excellent and it was practically new!

I can toss my Genny around just as much if not more than the 09 RL I had which was dropped on stiffer springs among other things.

Summer tires...definitely a good idea.

P.S. I hate the traction control that cannot be turned off, I hate it with a passion!!!!!

 

[Glashub]

Hey Newman, I'm so pleased that you enjoy your car. You deserve it.

037, I sold the Acura because it started doing at 4k miles what every Acura I've owned did...it started rattling. I couldn't take it. And the ride was too firm with no sound protection. Every car seems to be a set of compromises.

I really like my Genny but am learning to manage it's weaknesses while enjoying its strengths.

 

[037]

Hey Newman, I'm so pleased that you enjoy your car. You deserve it.

037, I sold the Acura because it started doing at 4k miles what every Acura I've owned did...it started rattling. I couldn't take it. And the ride was too firm with no sound protection. Every car seems to be a set of compromises.

I really like my Genny but am learning to manage it's weaknesses while enjoying its strengths.

I can't agree with you on rattling, my RL never rattled and I got it at 3500 miles and kept till 55k. Also, it spoiled me on tuning out the real world, I never drive with windows down anymore.

I guess the premium you pay for the RL does make a difference.

The only compromise I could find in the RL is that the SH-AWD was sucking away too much power and made it slower, 2013 should fix that problem. That and the fuel economy.

 

[Glashub]

I can't agree with you on rattling, my RL never rattled and I got it at 3500 miles and kept till 55k. Also, it spoiled me on tuning out the real world, I never drive with windows down anymore.

I guess the premium you pay for the RL does make a difference.

The only compromise I could find in the RL is that the SH-AWD was sucking away too much power and made it slower, 2013 should fix that problem. That and the fuel economy.

Yes, you're right. I have no experience with the RL. I've always bought TL's.

 

[037]

Yes, you're right. I have no experience with the RL. I've always bought TL's.

I drove an 06 TL from 9mi to 32k, that also did not rattle.

 

[Glashub]

I drove an 06 TL from 9mi to 32k, that also did not rattle.

Okay. Glad to hear it. What's your point? I owned 3 TL in a row. The 2005 was in the shop 12 times for rattles in the 1st year. The 2011 had 2 rattles by 4k. One in the dash, one in the door. The Genny has none.

 

[037]

Okay. Glad to hear it. What's your point? I owned 3 TL in a row. The 2005 was in the shop 12 times for rattles in the 1st year. The 2011 had 2 rattles by 4k. One in the dash, one in the door. The Genny has none.

Dunno, bad luck with Acuras for you I guess.

My genny lost sound the moment after I signed the papers, 5 people including 3 Genesis owners couldn't figure it out. The sales rep pulled a fuse out of a brand new car next to us, pluged it in and the issue was gone.

Two weeks later, same issue. I knew which fuse to pull, it wasn't burnt, plug it back in and sound again!

Then, I got a nice check engine light which after 5 visits was some canister thing that needed to be replaced and cleaned.

I've had more issues with Genny than with Acuras, so I guess that was kinda the point. Acuras are good cars, I wish they were this quick though and cheap too

 

[Glashub]

^^^^

I really like Acura. That's why I had 3 in a row. I never had a problem with any of the 3 other than the rattles. One of the Acura virtues I miss almost every day living here in LA is that the Acura air conditioning is instant on cold...even when sitting all night. I don't know how they do it. My Genny takes about 2 minutes to get colder. Bit of a drag.

Sorry to hear about your Genny problems.

 

[Gunkk]

the Acura air conditioning is instant on cold...I don't know how they do it.

Large condenser has large thermal mass to absorb heat and give instant cold.
Then a beefy fan to force air over the coil to keep it cold (big fan, big power draw, less fuel econ).

My Genny takes about 2 minutes to get colder.

Mine doesn't take long at all, in Florida heat, and works fine <shrug>

 

[wjakridgeii]

Yesterday is the 1st time thew lag scared me. Pulling left around a slow cart on the freeway, I saw a car coming up quicker than I expected. Slam the gas pedal down and I'm still stitting there at the same speed until the tranny catches and propels me like a bat out of hell. But I was really nervous for 2 seconds.

This is what I am talking about! I am able to replicate the sensation by putting the car in manual. Now if you want to replicate the feeling do this. Wait for an opportunity of a slower car ahead of you, run up on that car while is manual 8th speed. Now jump on the gas and try to pass the car. What you will feel is the car lag and because it is in manual in will not drop gears, if in Auto you will eventually drop a gear and take off. This is the feeling, bog, lag whatever you want to call it. It sucks!

This is what is happening to us that are feeling the downshift not happening appropriately. You go to accelerate and get yourself out of a situation and the car lags. Dumping to manual and shifting down is not practical or fast enough in these situations. These are Auto\Manual that is made worse by the ineptitude of Hyundai being able to properly engineer an 8 speed transmission. The car can be dangerous if you are not expecting it.

All that said I am stuck with this car and will adapt to it and just drive in a more reasonable manner that you would drive a Geo or Smartcar in.

I paid the extra money for the V8 and wish I had got the V6. Will ride the car out for a couple of years and then go back to a real car. Yes the Genesis is so nice in so many ways, but you cannot call yourself a sport sedan if you do not have any Sport in you.

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[forzza1]

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I really like Acura. That's why I had 3 in a row. I never had a problem with any of the 3 other than the rattles. One of the Acura virtues I miss almost every day living here in LA is that the Acura air conditioning is instant on cold...even when sitting all night. I don't know how they do it. My Genny takes about 2 minutes to get colder. Bit of a drag.

Sorry to hear about your Genny problems.

You're lucky. I've had a 2005 TL and it was by far the worst car I've evar owned. Full of rattles and transmission problems. Acurazine forum is full of TL owners complaining about rattles and all sorts of other problems.

 

[jmatero]

Guys, this isn't the "Acura TL vs Genesis" thread. It's about the 8-speed transmission. Let's keep it on topic. If there's anything to be learned from this thread, it's that extended, multiple test drives should always take place before buying a car. I'm in the market now and have driven the Genesis on SHORT test drives 3 times now (4.6, 5.0, R-spec) and all three times the slow downshift response was obvious to say the least. If the delayed downshift experience wasn't obvious to anyone test driving this car, I can only assume they were stuck in slow traffic and never got a chance to drive it extensively.

As for the Genesis R-spec not being a sports sedan, that's also pretty obvious on even a brief test drive. Hyundai's own website describes the R-spec as:

THE GENESIS 5.0 R-SPEC.
For this new model, we started with the award-winning 5.0L Tau V8, then added a sport-tuned suspension, 19-inch premium machined finish alloy wheels and tires. Distinctive headlights with dark chrome inserts plus R-Spec badging on the exterior of the vehicle and the floor mats complete the transformation.

It is definitely not a "sports sedan" by any stretch of the imagination. It's a fantastic touring car with a tighter suspension than their other models. But if you think you're getting 3-series or even 2012 Acura TL handling (which is DAMN nice this year with the refinements) you're definitely buying the wrong car.

Never buy a car for solely the "bang for the buck" factor because NOTHING is free. There will be a compromise somewhere and it's not just brand cache. Besides, if it's not the right car for you, you'll end up losing money trading it in short term and you could have bought what you wanted in the first place.

The Genesis Sedan reminds me of where the Dodge Challenger fits into the current muscle car puzzle: Sells less than it's competition, but has a ride that is not punishing... a proper grand tourer that does almost everything VERY well... and is truly "exceptional" with regard to thrust. BUT, it is not as nimble and sharp as a Mustang by any stretch of the imagination and if that's important to you, you won't be happy.

If you buy a Genesis V8 and you're upset it isn't as sporty as you hoped, the only other vehicles I've driven that may prove better-suited are the new 2013 GS350 (you'll give up the V8 power but the interior is exceptional, and the handling damn sharp and precise) or perhaps a 535i with the m-sport package ($$$$$$$$$). Oh, and the Jaguar XF base which almost always has lease deals for under $600/mo with very little down.

On that note, if you would like a refresher on just how good your Genesis is... go and test drive a new E350 Sport and then tell us how un-sporty the R-Spec is. Some re-calibration may be in order here.

On a personal note, I have... and am now... still a huge fan of the Genesis sedan in all iterations. I've driven EVERYTHING out there. EVERYTHING. It is still on my short list, but the main strikes against it currently are:

1. Transmission - downshift performance.
2. The seats - fairly comfortable but totally lacking in lateral support
3. Passenger seat adjustments - not a great place to sit for my better half.

If they can nail the transmission, I'd probably accept the seat situation. Should be interesting to see how the 8-speed is improved on the Coupe. Unfortunately, I'm only a couple weeks away from having to buy a car and I'm hoping Hyundai will at least "comment" on the issue and indicate they are working on.

 

[037]

just a note, when I said shift for your self, I didn't mean at the last second, I meant in advance of doing anything that requires haste, as in, look before you go and think before you act

It's perfectly fine to remain in your lane instead of attempting a 4 lane change with a 2 second transmission, just gotta be realistic about what you got.

Cause once that thing down shifts you better be sure of the next couple hundred feet in front of you

 

[037]

8 speed this, 8 speed that.

Here's a take on BMWs 2012 528i which is 48k base with a 2.0 turbo (0-60 in 5.9)

"Actually, the eight-speed&#8217;s main goal seems to be trying to shift itself into top gear. Once there, the transmission is reluctant to downshift through multiple ratios. Stomp on the gas in eighth, and the 528i pauses as it considers your request before finally delivering the appropriate cog." - CarAndDriver

 

[forzza1]

Guys, this isn't the "Acura TL vs Genesis" thread. It's about the 8-speed transmission. Let's keep it on topic. If there's anything to be learned from this thread, it's that extended, multiple test drives should always take place before buying a car. I'm in the market now and have driven the Genesis on SHORT test drives 3 times now (4.6, 5.0, R-spec) and all three times the slow downshift response was obvious to say the least. If the delayed downshift experience wasn't obvious to anyone test driving this car, I can only assume they were stuck in slow traffic and never got a chance to drive it extensively.

As for the Genesis R-spec not being a sports sedan, that's also pretty obvious on even a brief test drive. Hyundai's own website describes the R-spec as:



It is definitely not a "sports sedan" by any stretch of the imagination. It's a fantastic touring car with a tighter suspension than their other models. But if you think you're getting 3-series or even 2012 Acura TL handling (which is DAMN nice this year with the refinements) you're definitely buying the wrong car.

Never buy a car for solely the "bang for the buck" factor because NOTHING is free. There will be a compromise somewhere and it's not just brand cache. Besides, if it's not the right car for you, you'll end up losing money trading it in short term and you could have bought what you wanted in the first place.

The Genesis Sedan reminds me of where the Dodge Challenger fits into the current muscle car puzzle: Sells less than it's competition, but has a ride that is not punishing... a proper grand tourer that does almost everything VERY well... and is truly "exceptional" with regard to thrust. BUT, it is not as nimble and sharp as a Mustang by any stretch of the imagination and if that's important to you, you won't be happy.

If you buy a Genesis V8 and you're upset it isn't as sporty as you hoped, the only other vehicles I've driven that may prove better-suited are the new 2013 GS350 (you'll give up the V8 power but the interior is exceptional, and the handling damn sharp and precise) or perhaps a 535i with the m-sport package ($$$$$$$$$). Oh, and the Jaguar XF base which almost always has lease deals for under $600/mo with very little down.

On that note, if you would like a refresher on just how good your Genesis is... go and test drive a new E350 Sport and then tell us how un-sporty the R-Spec is. Some re-calibration may be in order here.

On a personal note, I have... and am now... still a huge fan of the Genesis sedan in all iterations. I've driven EVERYTHING out there. EVERYTHING. It is still on my short list, but the main strikes against it currently are:

1. Transmission - downshift performance.
2. The seats - fairly comfortable but totally lacking in lateral support
3. Passenger seat adjustments - not a great place to sit for my better half.

If they can nail the transmission, I'd probably accept the seat situation. Should be interesting to see how the 8-speed is improved on the Coupe. Unfortunately, I'm only a couple weeks away from having to buy a car and I'm hoping Hyundai will at least "comment" on the issue and indicate they are working on.

Actually I am pretty pleased with the handling. It is true, german cars have a better handling when pushed to their limits but considering that vast majority of buyers are getting their cars for commuting purposes it is very hard to believe that "best handling car" line is still a sole purchase motivator.
Genesis is not a cheap car..by any stretch of imagination...it it positioned below competition but this doesn't necessarily means cutting the corners the way other car makers did (Acura TL comes to mind among others).
In all honesty I think Hyundai did very well with R-Spec and I am positive the next R-Spec generation will be a lot more compelling.

 

[Silver Bullet 00]

All you 2012 owners need to read TSB 12-AT-011 recently listed on the Hyundai service site. Might be the answer to your transmission problems.

 

[OGenesis]

All you 2012 owners need to read TSB 12-AT-011 recently listed on the Hyundai service site. Might be the answer to your transmission problems.

Can someone copy what the TSB says... I cannot get my user aggreement to pop up and agree. Therefore I cannot create an account...Thanks!!

 

[Silver Bullet 00]

Can someone copy what the TSB says... I cannot get my user aggreement to pop up and agree. Therefore I cannot create an account...Thanks!!

Just to let you know the TSB is 10 pages and has to do with automatic transaxle harsh/delayed shift problems.
I don't understand why you need a user agreement and need to create an account. I'm just a Azera owner who reads all the Hyundai forums and read about the 8 speed tranny problems and thought you would all be interested in this new TSB. If you own a Hyundai product you want to read the Hyundai Service web site daily and you might find out you know more than some of the dealer service departments.

 

[427435]

For what it is worth, I test drove an R spec about 10 days ago. My wife and a salesman was with me, so I wasn't doing anything stupid. I came down an on-ramp onto the freeway (traffic moving 60-70 mph). I don't know what gear it was in, but I had brought the car up to or a little past merging speed. A car accelerated a little to "block" an easy merge, so I floored the R spec. It downshifted to "some" gear and took off like a raped ape. Hesitation was minimal and very acceptable in that particular situation.

 

[jrbinaz]

I cant get the HMA service agreement page to open up on the Hyundai service website either. I would really like to see the full text of the TSB's available including the contents of the 10 page TSB 12-AT-011 mentioned above. A copy and post would be welcome.

My service advisor told me today that there are no TSB's or open campaigns available for my vehicle. I provided him with the numbers of the six or so TSB's that have been posted for the 2012 Genesis and was told that he was looking things up by my VIN # and that none of them applied to my vehicle. I remain a bit skeptical.

I am becoming increasingly concerned about the "rolling stop" delay that has many of us frustrated when the car is in automatic mode. You may have developed a similar fear of pulling out in traffic after a quick near stop and go. I am never certain when and how much power I will get when I take off.

Just an observation that may apply. I put the tranny in Shiftronic mode and geared up to 6th or 7th and allowed the car to slow to a stop. During this time I watched the gear numbers automatically scroll down as the car slowed. Curiously the tranny automatically skips 2nd gear every time. Just drops from 3rd to 1st first when you slow to 3 mph or so. I wonder if the tranny is doing the same thing in auto mode...just skipping from 3rd to 1st? Perhaps if it would go to 2nd at 3 mph it wouldn't pause to think about what gear its looking for when power is applied.

Any thoughts?