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2014 Hyundai Global Club Event

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Greetings folks! I know that some of you might be waiting for feedback on the 2014 Hyundai Global Club Event. I want to take the time to do a proper write-up, but here are some quick hits and observations. Before I go into those however, I want to apologize that I didn't have much of an opportunity to discuss the list of questions. Our time with the executives was pretty limited and in much more of a social setting.

Many, MANY thanks to the folks who organized this, and to folks who made it possible for me and others to go. There were 34 attendees globally from about 17 countries. This is not an all-inclusive list, but here are the ones I can remember off the top of my head (in no particular order):

Brazil
China
Ecuador
Saudi Arabia
Germany
Czech Republic
Turkey
Costa Rica
United States
Phillipines
India


Everyone was very nice and the group was populated with varying degrees of car-enthusiasts and bloggers, ranging from the die-hard rally fan (Hyundai is making a huge push into rally racing) to die-hard Genesis fans (I'd include myself in that category). Everyone that I spoke with was super nice and easy to approach and talk to.

Ah the Koreans, I'm at a loss of superlatives for describing the Koreans. I fell in love with the Korean culture while I was there. They are an extremely proud, hard-working people with a rich and colorful history. They were all very eager to demonstrate just how progressive Korea is, but in a way that was kind, welcoming, and gracious. The Korean work-ethic is legendary, and any competitors who aren't paying attention to what the Koreans are doing are going to get steamrolled. In my opinion, it's not a question of if Hyundai becomes one of the top two or three brands in the world, but when. They are that determined, they are that hard-working, and their engineers are that good. Some of this determination comes from Korean pride; having been invaded by the Japanese and the Manchurians more than once in their history, they have a bit of a healthy chip on their shoulder, not unlike a start-up (which, they kind of are when you consider that they had to rebuild their nation after the Korean war). And while it was never actually communicated to me, it seems like perhaps partially because of this history, I get the feeling that they especially relish kicking the Japanese auto manufacturers backsides. It's almost as if there's an unwritten credo, "Beat Toyota, Honda, BMW, and Mercedes. But especially Toyota and Honda." These are subjective observations, so I mean no offense to others if this is not correct.

We were treated like VIP members the entire trip; it was very humbling and yet I'm very grateful for the red carpet that was extended to us. Now onto some technical observations:

  • The new Genesis, even in V6 form, is light-years ahead of the last one. I'm talking as a two-time V8 owner (first the 4.6 and the 5.0). I drove the 3.3L version of the new Genesis around a high speed test track and in a slalom, and it handles so much better than the last Genesis it's no contest. Despite it being a 3.3L, power was more than adequate (though I'll still opt for the V8 when it's time to write a check). Let me give you this observation to put it in perspective. On the high speed track, we were all following each other in a line. There were a total of 7 cars: A Turbo Veloster, a Sonata, an Azera, an Equus, a Genesis, and a couple others I can't remember. We had to keep up with the lead car, and by far the easiest car to keep pace in was the Genesis, despite the weight disadvantage it had to smaller cars. Every other car you could make the tires squeal if you pushed it too far, but the Genesis kinda smirked at you no matter what you did and seemed to say, "Dude is that the best you got?" I was probably one of the lesser skilled (if not the least skilled) drivers there, but better drivers confirmed this observation (shout out to Jason C., Kevin R. and Eric U., Dirk, who among others, I'd put in the "better driver than I" category).
  • The Asan plant, where the Azera (called the Grandeur in the KDM), Sonata, and an as-yet-to-be-announced luxury model that will be positioned in the market between the Grandeur and the Genesis are all made, is a technical marvel. When you first enter the plant, you have to look really closely to find a human being. It's almost completely automated (90 percent automated to be specific). We watched raw steel come in on rolls and get stamped into body panels and then get welded into a body-in-white car without any human intervention whatsoever (note all work was done by Hyundai robots). It was impressive. The primary place humans are needed on the assembly line is during interior installation. I'll be honest though, scenes from "The Terminator" series of movies briefly passed through my head. Talking to one of the executives later, he mentioned that the defect rates for the Asan plant and the Alabama plant (where the Sonata is also made) are roughly the same, as is the automation rate.
  • This is an un-official stat, but it seemed like half the cars on the road were either Hyundai or Kia. Genesis and Equus sedans were as popular on the road as Lincoln Town Cars are in NYC (and likely used for the same purpose). I did see a decent number of German cars as well, and even a couple of American cars (American car tally: 1 Mustang GT, one C6 Corvette, three Lincoln MKZs, and one Town Car (!!??) ). Subjectively speaking, Genesis and Equus sedans seemed like they are as popular in Seoul as the BMW 3 Series is here in Texas or the Bay area.

I'm very jet-lagged and missing spending time with my wife and kids, so I'll write more later. Thank you to Hyundai and to Henry for making it possible for me to attend, and thank you to the many other attendees who suffered through three days of my loquaciousness!

Cheers,
Sean
 
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Thanx for the info and welcome home. :)
 
Welcome back and thanks for the initial thoughts. Look forward to more observations when you get your sea legs back.
 
A few more thoughts. The executives present were mainly from the sales and marketing arena. The representatives responsible for sales in Europe, the US, and APAC, as well as some notable others were present and available. They were very interested in what websites we all represented and recognized the grassroots marketing opportunity. Getting any classified information out of any of them wasn't going to happen though. Photography was strictly prohibited, even at the Hyundai steel mill, which we also visited (well, one of them, anyway). I don't think it's possible to overstate how much industrial inertia Hyundai has in the KDM market. Think post-war GM.

Here are a couple of tidbits I did manage to pickup along the way, though I'm sure they're insignificant and public knowledge elsewhere. You'll probably be able to pick up more info from folks more dedicated to fact-finding:
  • Hyundai has a 3-series competitor in the works
  • Orthogonal to the previous point, keep your eyes peeled at the Detroit Auto Show
  • As I mentioned earlier, there will be a new car slotted between the Azera and the Genesis. Personally, I highly doubt this will be coming to the US market, but I got no indication of that whatsoever. I'm just basing it on existing US market penetration.
I know these aren't Earth-shattering, but it's all I could get. At the farewell dinner, I even joked to the head of US Marketing, "We need to get you to have a couple more glasses of wine so you can spill the beans." He smiled, but that's all I got. I didn't push it further. It would have been rude to push through a list of questions (and as it was I feel I came off as too pushy; my apologies for that). I did however mention the sunroof rattle issue that some of you are having. I also asked if there was aluminum in the Genesis's future, and he said they were evaluating it, but also commented on the relative cost of aluminum (owning their own steel plants is a huge cost advantage). Note it wasn't a QA session with the executives, but more social.

When we pulled up to the R&D center, Eric U.'s head was on a swivel. He and another guy kept pointing out and identifying all these camouflaged vehicles that I missed. Eric is a pretty cool dude who runs another site called thekoreancarblog.com (mods I can remove this link if you wish). Give his site a visit sometime should you get bored.

Another blog owner (and Hyundai employee from another part of the world) mentioned that he believed there were a couple of things in the works for Genesis. I got the impression that he knew more but couldn't divulge more. I don't want to list his blog because I don't want to get him in trouble, though I will if he emails me and indicates it's okay.

Another thing I noticed at the R&D center were the competitor benchmark vehicles in the parking lot. I saw pretty much every current model BMW and even saw a Porsche driving on the grounds, though the Porsche could have been an employee's car. I stress again that we were not allowed to take any photos, and this was stressed even more so at the R&D center.

Another note on the steel plant. Despite owning steel mills, Hyundai still has to buy steel from others to meet their production needs. I asked if the steel they use in the Alabama manufacturing facility came from Hyundai or elsewhere, but the folks I asked didn't have the immediate answer to that question.

More later...
 
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loving the info.. i'm staying tuned for more
 
Nothing on a R-Spec version, or might that be included with the 3-series competitor?

Too bad John Krafcik wasn't still CEO of HMA and at your event. That guy has seriously loose lips. During an online chat session at Hyundai Think Tank he spilled the beans about quite a few things, and then immediately after he tried to get everyone to agree to not repeat what he just said.
 
I asked but didn't get an answer on the R-Spec. We saw more than one camouflaged current generation Genesis models at the R&D center though.
 
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Great trip and great report Sean!
Hollar if you find yourself in Tyler! Lunch will be on me.
 
Thanks Phil! I actually do get to Tyler periodically so I will probably take you up on that offer! I am awake with time-shift and remembered one other surprising point while laying in bed. The YF Sonata (last generation) is actually still in production at Asan, alongside the 2015 version. I got the feeling that this could be changed easily by someone pushing a "YF Off" style button for the assembly line, making the machines stop YF production.
 
Greetings,

I also attended this amazing trip with Sean and 35 others. It truly was an opportunity of a lifetime, as Henry said. I intend to post some photos and I'll give a brief report but Sean has done an excellent job already. Met some very nice and excited Hyundai enthusiasts as well as Hyundai representatives. More to come later. Sean it was great to meet you.
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I'm very happy you guys had a great time. From talking with Eric (Korean Car Blog) there was plenty to do and see. They plan on doing this again next year and hopefully there will be opportunity for others here to go again.

-Henry
 
Here are a couple of tidbits I did manage to pickup along the way, though I'm sure they're insignificant and public knowledge elsewhere. You'll probably be able to pick up more info from folks more dedicated to fact-finding:
  • Hyundai has a 3-series competitor in the works
  • Orthogonal to the previous point, keep your eyes peeled at the Detroit Auto Show
  • As I mentioned earlier, there will be a new car slotted between the Azera and the Genesis. Personally, I highly doubt this will be coming to the US market, but I got no indication of that whatsoever. I'm just basing it on existing US market penetration.

Probably will see a prototype of the compact RWD sedan within a year or so.

The FWD luxury sedan slotted btwn the Azera/Grandeur and the Genesis is the Aslan - basically, developed for upper-middle class Korean housewives. Right now, just for the Korean market, but might find its way to China (doubtful for the US, at least for the short term).


Another blog owner (and Hyundai employee from another part of the world) mentioned that he believed there were a couple of things in the works for Genesis. I got the impression that he knew more but couldn't divulge more. I don't want to list his blog because I don't want to get him in trouble, though I will if he emails me and indicates it's okay.

Next thing for the Genesis will likely be the addition of the 3.3T powerplant (maybe will get the new 10 spd AT at the same time).

If Hyundai can massage the fuel economy upwards on the 5.0, might see a USDM w/ HTRAC, otherwise, might have to do w/ the 3.3T + HTRAC.

Good things have been stated about the DCT offered in the Sonata Eco w/ the 1.6T.

Would be great if Hyundai was developing a stout DCT that could handle the power of the Tau or at least, the 3.3T, which would be much better for a true performance line model.
 
Good things have been stated about the DCT offered in the Sonata Eco w/ the 1.6T.

Would be great if Hyundai was developing a stout DCT that could handle the power of the Tau or at least, the 3.3T, which would be much better for a true performance line model.

In my short time driving the Sonata ECO, the DCT was a lot faster than I expected it to be. Maybe not Audi DCT fast but pretty darn close. I wish they had put this transmission in the Sonata turbo. It would have made that car even better.
 
^ They definitely should, but I think the issue may be that the DCT as is can't handle the power of the 2.0T motor.
 
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