2019 G70 obsolete?!

[jlin101]

2019 G70 has yet to arrive in the US and MB has already announced the 2019 C43 with updated 3.0L engine producing 385 hp; while BMW showed the upcoming 3-series today (330i with 255hp/295 lb-ft and 0-60 in 5.6s; and M340i with 382 hp/369 lb-ft and 0-60 in 4.2s). Both cars are available digital instrument displays and ambient lighting, among other things. I realize both German models cost significantly more than G70, but G70's advantage is starting to shrink before Genesis sells a single vehicle in the US. The Germans are turning up the heat!

 

[EdP]

2019 G70 has yet to arrive in the US and MB has already announced the 2019 C43 with updated 3.0L engine producing 385 hp; while BMW showed the upcoming 3-series today (330i with 255hp/295 lb-ft and 0-60 in 5.6s; and M340i with 382 hp/369 lb-ft and 0-60 in 4.2s). Both cars are available digital instrument displays and ambient lighting, among other things. I realize both German models cost significantly more than G70, but G70's advantage is starting to shrink before Genesis sells a single vehicle in the US. The Germans are turning up the heat!

So, if you spend a lot more money you get a car with more stuff in it. That concepts goes back over 100 years of the automobile. Duesenberg offered more power and options that Chevy, yet Chevy survived too. Not everyone had the money to buy a Duesey, not everyone has the money to buy a C43 so they will buy something in their price range. Nice to have a choice.

 

[Buckdes]

2019 G70 has yet to arrive in the US and MB has already announced the 2019 C43 with updated 3.0L engine producing 385 hp; while BMW showed the upcoming 3-series today (330i with 255hp/295 lb-ft and 0-60 in 5.6s; and M340i with 382 hp/369 lb-ft and 0-60 in 4.2s). Both cars are available digital instrument displays and ambient lighting, among other things. I realize both German models cost significantly more than G70, but G70's advantage is starting to shrink before Genesis sells a single vehicle in the US. The Germans are turning up the heat!

Yeah, the new 3 series looks great as does the c43, i may check them out in 3 years when i want a change from my G70 but even without the ambeint lighting and a little less performance it will still be hard for me to pay an extra 15-18 grand ( cad )for a m340 or c43.

That said i am sure next year the G70 will add some fancy lighting maybe a couple other small things.

 

[joneillnj]

Not obsolete - but it does show how Genesis USA has so utterly screwed up the launch. Had they launched many months ago, these differences against the benchmark brands would not have been there. While price will still likely drive folks to the G70 if they don't care about brand perception, it does make the 2019 G70 appear a little lacking/"dated" on some features at launch vs the upcoming 2019 models from the established competition.

 

[YEH]

While it would have been much better if the G70 had launched when initially planned, Genesis will counter w/ the 2.5T and 3.5T (presumably for the facelift), along w/ likely adding things like a digital gauge cluster.

The biggest shortcoming for the G70 is rear passenger room which can't be rectified until the next gen model (the upcoming Cadillac CT5 will really show the discrepancy in rear space).

 

[Beefer]

While it would have been much better if the G70 had launched when initially planned, Genesis will counter w/ the 2.5T and 3.5T (presumably for the facelift), along w/ likely adding things like a digital gauge cluster.

The biggest shortcoming for the G70 is rear passenger room which can't be rectified until the next gen model (the upcoming Cadillac CT5 will really show the discrepancy in rear space).

Too bad leasing for a year doesn’t pan out.

 

[KDX]

I don't want a digital dash/gauges.

 

[jlin101]

While it would have been much better if the G70 had launched when initially planned, Genesis will counter w/ the 2.5T and 3.5T (presumably for the facelift), along w/ likely adding things like a digital gauge cluster.

Do you have any concrete info on the 3.5t or is it just a conjecture? Genesis needs to step up on its engine performance/efficiency; the 3.3 makes “only” 365hp, while the Germans squeeze >380 out of the 3L without significant penalty on fuel consumption. Genesis will have to get at least 400hp out of the 3.5t without further increase in fuel consumption to remain competitive with the Germans.

 

[EdP]

Do you have any concrete info on the 3.5t or is it just a conjecture? Genesis needs to step up on its engine performance/efficiency; the 3.3 makes “only” 365hp, while the Germans squeeze >380 out of the 3L without significant penalty on fuel consumption. Genesis will have to get at least 400hp out of the 3.5t without further increase in fuel consumption to remain competitive with the Germans.

Depends on what you are competing with. Is just horsepower the deciding factor?

To get more power, something has to change. More power = more wear = shorter warranty. Others are very watchful of 0 to 60 times. Of course HP helps, but gearing and weight come into play there. Then you have the EPA and CAFE standards. What you consider not significant on fuel use may be enough to tip the EPA scales.

Many factors in play with what seems to be a minor change. It will be interesting to see what they can get out of that engine.

 

[devellis]

I've been saying for a while now that the later the G70 was released, the more it would suffer by comparison with 2019 models from the competition. When the G70 was first announced, its features were pretty cutting edge. That's less true now as we see what other manufacturers have in their latest models. Genesis still leads on value but the gauging that some are reporting undercuts its advantage there.

Chalk it all up to the disastrous roll-out of this car. If the G70 had actually appeared back in May, which was what we were first given some reason to expect, it would have been a real stand-out in terms of features and value. That becomes less true as every month goes by and as dealerships tack on phony up-charges.

It's a shame.

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[Buckdes]

I've been saying for a while now that the later the G70 was released, the more it would suffer by comparison with 2019 models from the competition. When the G70 was first announced, its features were pretty cutting edge. That's less true now as we see what other manufacturers have in their latest models. Genesis still leads on value but the gauging that some are reporting undercuts its advantage there.

Chalk it all up to the disastrous roll-out of this car. If the G70 had actually appeared back in May, which was what we were first given some reason to expect, it would have been a real stand-out in terms of features and value. That becomes less true as every month goes by and as dealerships tack on phony up-charges.

It's a shame.

I agree, the m340i and new c43 are now ahead of the G70 in terms of features and performance. All the difference is now is value for dollar which i think is still way better but many people may just get a newer preowned german car to make up the difference.

That said i am happy with my G70

 

[Edmguy]

I agree the value of the Genesis has diminished since it went on sale (in Canada) in April. Back then I would definitely say it was an equal to the BMW 340 and 90-95% of the C43 and sold at about 80% of the price of the other two. Great value and one of the main reasons I thought I would give it a try from the BMW's I have had before.

Since then though, the new C43 has made itself slightly better yet, and the new 3 series looks to be a huge leap from the old one. So now the G70 3.3T Sport is maybe more like 85-90% of the car for 80% the money so not as good of a value proposition but still pretty decent. But these back and forths change all the time.

The big problem with the G70 is that is should have actually been a MY2018 and available about 12 months ago like it was in Korea. Hopefully that means the first refresh is coming sooner rather than later to help keep it competitive.

That said I still love the car and my bank account loves it too.

 

[Buckdes]

I agree the value of the Genesis has diminished since it went on sale (in Canada) in April. Back then I would definitely say it was an equal to the BMW 340 and 90-95% of the C43 and sold at about 80% of the price of the other two. Great value and one of the main reasons I thought I would give it a try from the BMW's I have had before.

Since then though, the new C43 has made itself slightly better yet, and the new 3 series looks to be a huge leap from the old one. So now the G70 3.3T Sport is maybe more like 85-90% of the car for 80% the money so not as good of a value proposition but still pretty decent. But these back and forths change all the time.

The big problem with the G70 is that is should have actually been a MY2018 and available about 12 months ago like it was in Korea. Hopefully that means the first refresh is coming sooner rather than later to help keep it competitive.

That said I still love the car and my bank account loves it too.

I agree with you Edmguy, u are always spot on...

 

[Edmguy]

Great minds must think alike lol

 

[Beefer]

Great minds must think alike lol

I think you folks are going just a tad bit overboard

Other than a lacking a more robust MMI (let’s use Audi’s acronym)...it has it all in top trim.

5 year warranty and maintenance free for 3 years (USA).

And performance is off the charts.

With negotiations on other makes...it’s still an easy $10k cheaper compared to other 2018’s. When the other makes come out with 2019’s...they’ll be MSRP and more expensive.

Am I missing something?

 

[Edmguy]

It definitely might be a bit closer than my numbers, and it depends on which parts of the car you value more, but the 2019/2020 340 and 2019 C43 both should be slightly faster than the G70 3.3T Sport, ride/handling should be close, but there are areas where the G70 cheaps out a bit compared to the other two, like the digital instrument panel, 10"+ nav screen (with better resolution), ambient lighting, sensors on all 4 doors for keyless entry, full LED lighting outside. Not to mention the 2019 C43 is supposed to have the same version of active steering that the E class has and I have driven it and you can signal and have the car change lanes for you like in a Tesla. Definitely a more advanced system than Genesis as well. BMW's new model will likely be more advanced too although I haven't read anything on that yet.

Again, not all of those are important to everyone, but overall it moves those vehicles up and sets the bar higher that the G70 will be compared to. So like I said, the G70 becomes a bit less of a great value although still really good. Granted the warranty and service is still something that sets it apart at least compared to MB. BMW in Canada has 4yr, 80,000km service for free so almost the equivalent to Genesis here. It was one of the reasons I have purchased several of them. Great service at the dealerships and free for 80k.

 

[Buckdes]

It definitely might be a bit closer than my numbers, and it depends on which parts of the car you value more, but the 2019/2020 340 and 2019 C43 both should be slightly faster than the G70 3.3T Sport, ride/handling should be close, but there are areas where the G70 cheaps out a bit compared to the other two, like the digital instrument panel, 10"+ nav screen (with better resolution), ambient lighting, sensors on all 4 doors for keyless entry, full LED lighting outside. Not to mention the 2019 C43 is supposed to have the same version of active steering that the E class has and I have driven it and you can signal and have the car change lanes for you like in a Tesla. Definitely a more advanced system than Genesis as well. BMW's new model will likely be more advanced too although I haven't read anything on that yet.

Again, not all of those are important to everyone, but overall it moves those vehicles up and sets the bar higher that the G70 will be compared to. So like I said, the G70 becomes a bit less of a great value although still really good. Granted the warranty and service is still something that sets it apart at least compared to MB. BMW in Canada has 4yr, 80,000km service for free so almost the equivalent to Genesis here. It was one of the reasons I have purchased several of them. Great service at the dealerships and free for 80k.

The gap is very close now for sure, honestly though the cheapest i have seen a 2018 c43 with the same feature set is about 72500 before tax so for me 100 bucks a month is enough for genesis to close the gap

 

[jailer]

Looks like NA 3 Series will be made in Mexico. That's quite a chunk of profit they are reaping.... which is fine however, do you think a sharp customer should factor that in to the consumer price ?

Would you or do you think you should pay the exact same current price of the Genesis if it was made in Mexico????

Imagine a loaded 3 going for what..... 67k USD or something ?? and it's coming from Mexico.

Quite a bit of consumers I would think would care about that and it might not sit well at the moment of purchasing/leasing.

 

[mcornett]

We’ve been lucky in Canada to have G70 deliveries since June. Having said that, I think we have to wait to see a few things before we can just the value of the 2019 G70 against the new 3-series in particular.

I am sceptical the new 3-series (let alone the 340) will actually be released in early 2019. The new X5 has been announced forever — can’t build and price in Canada yet, never mind an actual delivery date. BMW is also notorious for nickel and diming on options. I definitely want to see the configurator before deciding on value for money.

 

[Edmguy]

June, I have had mine since April and I wasn't the first! We are definitely lucky to have had it available so early. I think it will help with resale when I try to sell a 4 year old car that is only 3 model years old.