2021 Engine Start-Stop feature

[RobertG]

Looking at pictures of the 2021 G80, it looks like there’s a button by the drivers left knee to deactivate the engine start-stop feature. So Genesis decided to put engine deactivate on their new 2021, the most annoying feature a car could have. On top of that, they put the deactivate button in a very inconvenient location. On BMW they put the deactivate button on the round engine start button, so you can start the car and deactivate at the same time. I hope I'm wrong about this. Maybe they added a permanent disable option in settings.

 

[Ernie3647]

I always thought I would hate that feature. I had the car for about a week.
It was a while before I even realized it was deactiving. Only when one day standing at a light I said to myself man I can't hear that engine. I happen to look down realized it shut off. Took my foot off the brake and it just started rolling with no other distinguishable sound. For me it operates quite acceptable. Of course it's winter now and the ac isn't running. We'll have to see. how it operates in the summer but for now I'll leave it on.

 

[bubbaG80Sport]

I had a 2020 G70 2.0T Prestige as a loaner for 3 weeks with this feature when my 2018 G80 (sans ASS ) was in the shop. The auto-stop/start deactivation button was on the console (lower left of the gear/shift lever). You had to reactivate the deactivate every time you started the car. I've driven other cars with this feature and abhor it. On the G70 there was a noticeable pause starting up the engine and it was physically clunky at times (like a miss or poor gear shift).

I understand why manufacturers are doing this (meet U.S. mpg/CAFE regulations/goals), but it is an annoyance/hazard. It makes sense on a hybrid where vehicle starts under electrons versus dinosaur blood. It is border line unsafe IMO. There are emergency situations where you need to make a quick start and even a 1-2 second lag is unacceptable. This feature also cause more wear and tear on the starter and engine making it prone to more frequent repairs.

 

[the.tru.albertan]

It operates very smoothly I find. Haven't found a way to disable it in the settings. Been very cold here in Alberta so the system will not turn the car off if it's too cold out.

 

[Barry45RPM]

I always thought I would hate that feature. I had the car for about a week.
It was a while before I even realized it was deactiving. Only when one day standing at a light I said to myself man I can't hear that engine. I happen to look down realized it shut off. Took my foot off the brake and it just started rolling with no other distinguishable sound. For me it operates quite acceptable. Of course it's winter now and the ac isn't running. We'll have to see. how it operates in the summer but for now I'll leave it on.

Here in Florida, engine shut off is undesireable because the A/C compressor which is driven by the engine, stops too. When I lived in the NE, the sunroof's sunshade was always retracted... here in Florida... never. The sun can be very hot.

That being said, there are engineering companies that design and manufacture an OBD II plug device in that alternately enables or disables the start/stop feature "permanently" every time you plug it in and remove it. Plug it in when you buy the car & remove it, then plug it in and remove it when you sell it., and start/stop is back

 

[Ernie3647]

Acknowledged if I find it an annoyance in summer I'll disable it via dash button.

 

[PMCErnie]

Wow, the button “by the knee” is inconvenient. Go figure. It’s one of several buttons, so they all must be “inconvenient.”

 

[RobertG]

It depends on how often one plans on using those buttons.
Putting the radio volume control by the knee would probably not be acceptable for many drivers.

 

[EdP]

It depends on how often one plans on using those buttons.
Putting the radio volume control by the knee would probably not be acceptable for many drivers.

Would not bother me. Never use it. The steering wheel is easier. The stop/start would only be pushed once per start, same as the Auto Hold button. Maybe they should be next to each other.

 

[Kevin L]

Would not bother me. Never use it. The steering wheel is easier. The stop/start would only be pushed once per start, same as the Auto Hold button. Maybe they should be next to each other.

I agree. I always use the steering wheel controls to handle audio.

Regarding the Auto Hold, I use that all the time, and find it annoying to push the button each time, especially with the smooth finish on the new G80 (shows fingerprints with every touch). I also turn off the start/stop most times. I would like both of these to be a user-settable default.

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[G-371147]

It depends on how often one plans on using those buttons.
Putting the radio volume control by the knee would probably not be acceptable for many drivers.

Great point!

 

[AuditoGenesis]

I had a 2020 G70 2.0T Prestige as a loaner for 3 weeks with this feature when my 2018 G80 (sans ASS ) was in the shop. The auto-stop/start deactivation button was on the console (lower left of the gear/shift lever). You had to reactivate the deactivate every time you started the car. I've driven other cars with this feature and abhor it. On the G70 there was a noticeable pause starting up the engine and it was physically clunky at times (like a miss or poor gear shift).

I understand why manufacturers are doing this (meet U.S. mpg/CAFE regulations/goals), but it is an annoyance/hazard. It makes sense on a hybrid where vehicle starts under electrons versus dinosaur blood. It is border line unsafe IMO. There are emergency situations where you need to make a quick start and even a 1-2 second lag is unacceptable. This feature also cause more wear and tear on the starter and engine making it prone to more frequent repairs.

I'm a disabled driver... I'm completely fine driving... My disability, however, does make it VERY dangerous that the car starts and stops upon pressing the brake. The jerkiness of the start up process and the lurch forward, because it's always different at each re-start, makes it very dangerous to "learn" the behavior and acclimate. I've asked the dealer to see if there's a way to permanently disable it and they won't even check - the request is immediately dismissed. I've called corporate about it, and the same thing. There is ZERO flexibility on this, even for drivers where it's proven to be a problem and is unsafe.

Genesis isn't the only manufacturer that makes it annoying or impossible to shut off - I'm thinking of starting an NHTSA complaint for safety and possibly including an ADA adjunct. I'm sure you all don't care what the reason is as long as you gain the ability to shut off permanently. I would be interested in your opinions of that approach...

Here in Florida, engine shut off is undesireable because the A/C compressor which is driven by the engine, stops too. When I lived in the NE, the sunroof's sunshade was always retracted... here in Florida... never. The sun can be very hot.

That being said, there are engineering companies that design and manufacture an OBD II plug device in that alternately enables or disables the start/stop feature "permanently" every time you plug it in and remove it. Plug it in when you buy the car & remove it, then plug it in and remove it when you sell it., and start/stop is back

Can you post a link to a device like this????

The only device that I have seen is one that can be purchased from China that plugs in behind the switch bank that controls auto start/stop. It intercepts the signal and sets the preference based on the last switch selection... although some do not save the setting and ALWAYS assume it needs to be turned off. The problem with this approach is that it voids the warranty, according to the manufacturer and dealer. I have the device, I'm just unsure I want to install it. Genesis does NOT seem to be like other luxury manufacturers where they will forgive an issue like this as a courtesy to the owner under the circumstances....

The OBD suggestion, above, seems like a great way to avoid the warranty debacle.

 

[PMCErnie]

I'm a disabled driver... I'm completely fine driving... My disability, however, does make it VERY dangerous that the car starts and stops upon pressing the brake. The jerkiness of the start up process and the lurch forward, because it's always different at each re-start, makes it very dangerous to "learn" the behavior and acclimate. I've asked the dealer to see if there's a way to permanently disable it and they won't even check - the request is immediately dismissed. I've called corporate about it, and the same thing. There is ZERO flexibility on this, even for drivers where it's proven to be a problem and is unsafe.

Genesis isn't the only manufacturer that makes it annoying or impossible to shut off - I'm thinking of starting an NHTSA complaint for safety and possibly including an ADA adjunct. I'm sure you all don't care what the reason is as long as you gain the ability to shut off permanently. I would be interested in your opinions of that approach...

Can you post a link to a device like this????

The only device that I have seen is one that can be purchased from China that plugs in behind the switch bank that controls auto start/stop. It intercepts the signal and sets the preference based on the last switch selection... although some do not save the setting and ALWAYS assume it needs to be turned off. The problem with this approach is that it voids the warranty, according to the manufacturer and dealer. I have the device, I'm just unsure I want to install it. Genesis does NOT seem to be like other luxury manufacturers where they will forgive an issue like this as a courtesy to the owner under the circumstances....

The OBD suggestion, above, seems like a great way to avoid the warranty debacle.

I'm a disabled driver... I'm completely fine driving... My disability, however, does make it VERY dangerous that the car starts and stops upon pressing the brake. The jerkiness of the start up process and the lurch forward, because it's always different at each re-start, makes it very dangerous to "learn" the behavior and acclimate. I've asked the dealer to see if there's a way to permanently disable it and they won't even check - the request is immediately dismissed. I've called corporate about it, and the same thing. There is ZERO flexibility on this, even for drivers where it's proven to be a problem and is unsafe.

Genesis isn't the only manufacturer that makes it annoying or impossible to shut off - I'm thinking of starting an NHTSA complaint for safety and possibly including an ADA adjunct. I'm sure you all don't care what the reason is as long as you gain the ability to shut off permanently. I would be interested in your opinions of that approach...

Can you post a link to a device like this????

The only device that I have seen is one that can be purchased from China that plugs in behind the switch bank that controls auto start/stop. It intercepts the signal and sets the preference based on the last switch selection... although some do not save the setting and ALWAYS assume it needs to be turned off. The problem with this approach is that it voids the warranty, according to the manufacturer and dealer. I have the device, I'm just unsure I want to install it. Genesis does NOT seem to be like other luxury manufacturers where they will forgive an issue like this as a courtesy to the owner under the circumstances....

The OBD suggestion, above, seems like a great way

I’d recommend

I'm a disabled driver... I'm completely fine driving... My disability, however, does make it VERY dangerous that the car starts and stops upon pressing the brake. The jerkiness of the start up process and the lurch forward, because it's always different at each re-start, makes it very dangerous to "learn" the behavior and acclimate. I've asked the dealer to see if there's a way to permanently disable it and they won't even check - the request is immediately dismissed. I've called corporate about it, and the same thing. There is ZERO flexibility on this, even for drivers where it's proven to be a problem and is unsafe.

Genesis isn't the only manufacturer that makes it annoying or impossible to shut off - I'm thinking of starting an NHTSA complaint for safety and possibly including an ADA adjunct. I'm sure you all don't care what the reason is as long as you gain the ability to shut off permanently. I would be interested in your opinions of that approach...

Can you post a link to a device like this????

The only device that I have seen is one that can be purchased from China that plugs in behind the switch bank that controls auto start/stop. It intercepts the signal and sets the preference based on the last switch selection... although some do not save the setting and ALWAYS assume it needs to be turned off. The problem with this approach is that it voids the warranty, according to the manufacturer and dealer. I have the device, I'm just unsure I want to install it. Genesis does NOT seem to be like other luxury manufacturers where they will forgive an issue like this as a courtesy to the owner under the circumstances....

The OBD suggestion, above, seems like a great way to avoid the warranty debacle.

Just push the button to shut it off like most of the rest of us do.

The ISG in my two Hyundais works as smooth as silk.

 

[AuditoGenesis]

Just push the button to shut it off like most of the rest of us do.

The ISG in my two Hyundais works as smooth as silk.

Depends upon driving style, I think.
My wife's Santa Fe is jerky AF.
I have trouble driving with her (as do her passengers) because her style is to press the gas before the car has fully turned over.
For me, I do press the button now - I have no choice.
But, like most drivers, I can frequently forget and realize it AFTER the first problem..
That's why I'm advocating for a change...
Clearly, other users are on my ride, so to speak, but for other, yet similar, reasons.

 

[PMCErnie]

Depends upon driving style, I think.
My wife's Santa Fe is jerky AF.
I have trouble driving with her (as do her passengers) because her style is to press the gas before the car has fully turned over.
For me, I do press the button now - I have no choice.
But, like most drivers, I can frequently forget and realize it AFTER the first problem..
That's why I'm advocating for a change...
Clearly, other users are on my ride, so to speak, but for other, yet similar, reasons.

You can push the ISG shut off button at any time. There is no required time to hit the button during your trip. Easy peasy.

 

[AuditoGenesis]

You can push the ISG shut off button at any time. There is no required time to hit the button during your trip. Easy peasy.

I'm quite aware of how to do it.
As I said, I'm disabled and frequently forget.
By the time I realize I've forgotten, I've already had the problem....
What some people think is easy peasy, isn't necessarily easy peasy for others.

 

[PMCErnie]

I'm quite aware of how to do it.
As I said, I'm disabled and frequently forget.
By the time I realize I've forgotten, I've already had the problem....
What some people think is easy peasy, isn't necessarily easy peasy for others.

Just do what I do. Put a reminder note in your cup holder.

 

[AuditoGenesis]

Just do what I do. Put a reminder note in your cup holder.

Listen,
I appreciate your suggestions but it's not what I'm looking for.
I see here that other people want a more OEM solution for similar problems.
I know it's a first world problem, but we are a first world country....
Just sayen'.

 

[Mcc]

Listen,
I appreciate your suggestions but it's not what I'm looking for.
I see here that other people want a more OEM solution for similar problems.
I know it's a first world problem, but we are a first world country....
Just sayen'.

Sorry your are not getting the answer you are looking for but consider that no one is willing to take the risk or the consequences.

Disabling Your Vehicle’s Stop-Start System – Legal Or Against the Law | Torque News

There are ways to permanently disable stop-start systems. We asked the EPA if it was legal to do so.

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Here’s our guess as to what would happen in three specific groups of scenarios:
1) A Vehicle Owner Disables The Stop-Start System On Their Own
It is hard to see how you would ever get caught unless the state you live in has an annual smog check during which they tap your OBD port and look for codes. In my state of Massachusetts, if a code is found and relates to the emissions system the inspection is a fail. This according to mechanics who perform the inspection we spoke to. The vehicle will be passed once the issue is solved and the code “cleared.” If you live in a state without emissions testing, who would ever know? Well, maybe your dealer if any warranty work is needed. O2 sensor needs replacement? Catalytic converters shot? Starting system problems? Don’t expect coverage if you’ve tampered with the vehicle’s stop-start system.

2) A Company Develops, Offers For Sale, and Sells A Universal Stop-Start Device
Our guess in this situation is that the EPA would take notice. Also, stop-start has value to automakers. If it isn’t available to them, they have to earn a higher EPA average and that is now getting very hard to improve upon without spending money. No automaker wants to make defeating stop-start too easy.

3) A Dealer Offers to Disable Your Stop-Start System
Here again, we think the EPA would take quick notice. Dealers act as official agents for the maintenance of emissions systems. We seriously doubt any would be bold enough to do this, but if they did, we’d expect a confrontation with some agency to germinate.

Conclusion: Is It Against the Law To Disable Your Stop-Start System?
Our opinion is “yes, it is illegal.” Just like removing your catalytic converter or using software to over-ride an emissions control system. Will you get caught? Doubtful.

 

[gkc501]

Yes - I agree, ASS (auto start stop) WAS very annoying and useless. See my previous thread:

PERMANENT FREE FIX TO TURN OFF AUTO STOP/START FEATURE

The "fix" has worked reliably without incident in my car for over 15,000 miles.