3.3t AWD. How's the reliability and what kind of aftermarket potential are we looking at so far?

[AkiraSieghart]

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide between two cars: 2018/2019 Audi S3 or a 2018/2019 Genesis G70 3.3t AWD Sport.

While they may or may not be in the same category, they're pretty much even on price. The Genesis has more power under the hood and I think the styling is superior. However, the Audi has a terrific platform that can make a lot of power and is generally seen as very reliable. \

So how is the G70 3.3t AWD in terms of reliability? I understand that they've only been in the US for a short time, but has anyone had any major problems?

Also, how is the aftermarket support so far? Looking at the JB4, it looks like they're boasting 460/530 at the wheels. That's absolutely nuts but I'm assuming that it's for the RWD models, correct? If so, does anyone know what kind of power the AWD ones make with the tune? Does anyone have it? If so, what's your take on it? Is the car a completely different animal with it?

Sorry for the loads of questions. With the cars still being as new as they are, there's not a whole lot of information on them yet!

 

[EdP]

I'm trying to decide between two cars: 2018/2019 Audi S3 or a 2018/2019 Genesis G70 3.3t AWD Sport.

While they may or may not be in the same category, they're pretty much even on price. The Genesis has more power under the hood and I think the styling is superior. However, the Audi has a terrific platform that can make a lot of power and is generally seen as very reliable. \

So how is the G70 3.3t AWD in terms of reliability? I understand that they've only been in the US for a short time, but has anyone had any major problems?

The Audi may be reliable but the warranty is half the Genesis. The Hyundai/Genesis 3.3 family has proven itself over quite a few years now. If you plan to keep the car for a while. do you want the one with the best warranty? I'd sure consider that in my decision.

 

[AkiraSieghart]

The Audi may be reliable but the warranty is half the Genesis. The Hyundai/Genesis 3.3 family has proven itself over quite a few years now. If you plan to keep the car for a while. do you want the one with the best warranty? I'd sure consider that in my decision.

While I'm not a professional or anything, I have a pretty decent knowledge of fixing my own things, changing oil, breaks, etc. and have a lot of resources. Having a warranty is obviously always a plus but even if I have a warranty, having either car constantly needing to go to the dealer to have things fixed is something I'm looking to avoid. I do plan on keeping either for 3-5 years, though. As far as performance goes, I'm looking for a car that can handle fairly well and be a nice high 11/low 12 second car. The S3 can easily do so with a $5000 turbo upgrade, but the 3.3t looks to have some impressive potential so far.

 

[BlancaGenny]

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide between two cars: 2018/2019 Audi S3 or a 2018/2019 Genesis G70 3.3t AWD Sport.

While they may or may not be in the same category, they're pretty much even on price. The Genesis has more power under the hood and I think the styling is superior. However, the Audi has a terrific platform that can make a lot of power and is generally seen as very reliable. \

So how is the G70 3.3t AWD in terms of reliability? I understand that they've only been in the US for a short time, but has anyone had any major problems?

Also, how is the aftermarket support so far? Looking at the JB4, it looks like they're boasting 460/530 at the wheels. That's absolutely nuts but I'm assuming that it's for the RWD models, correct? If so, does anyone know what kind of power the AWD ones make with the tune? Does anyone have it? If so, what's your take on it? Is the car a completely different animal with it?

Sorry for the loads of questions. With the cars still being as new as they are, there's not a whole lot of information on them yet!

I wouldn't consider the S3 at all since it is so small. It reminds me of the CLA250. It has a Merc badge but the quality was lacking per customer reviews. While the G70 is still a bit small, I think it would be a better overall car.

The aftermarket support is picking up since the Stinger has been making headlines. The 3.3TT is a beast as I drove one in the Stinger GT1. However, this motor is straight of a Sante Fe (minus the twins). KIA went the conservative route and only put an additional 75hp load on the motor. I'm sure they beefed up some components to handle the torgue figures but we'll see when they get up into the 40k+ mile range.

Depending on where you are, RWD would be the way to go if you want 11's. I'm sure it's capable for the AWD as well. The question comes down to how long you're willing to wait until more support comes out for the 3.3TT. In my eyes, it's a no-brainer on what car to go with. I trust you'll make the right decision, good luck.

 

[Van_Nik_75]

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide between two cars: 2018/2019 Audi S3 or a 2018/2019 Genesis G70 3.3t AWD Sport.

While they may or may not be in the same category, they're pretty much even on price. The Genesis has more power under the hood and I think the styling is superior. However, the Audi has a terrific platform that can make a lot of power and is generally seen as very reliable. \

So how is the G70 3.3t AWD in terms of reliability? I understand that they've only been in the US for a short time, but has anyone had any major problems?

Also, how is the aftermarket support so far? Looking at the JB4, it looks like they're boasting 460/530 at the wheels. That's absolutely nuts but I'm assuming that it's for the RWD models, correct? If so, does anyone know what kind of power the AWD ones make with the tune? Does anyone have it? If so, what's your take on it? Is the car a completely different animal with it?

Sorry for the loads of questions. With the cars still being as new as they are, there's not a whole lot of information on them yet!

I feel that most modern turbo engines can be made to make as much horsepower as you want. I think that your decision should be made on other factors about the car that appeals to you. Things that are less likely to upgrade such as the styling, interior and chassis.

Before buying my G70, I test drove an Audi S3. I also test drove a VW Golf R. Although very similar, I felt that the Golf R had a better chassis and better handling than the S3. The best way I can describe it is that the S3 felt like a slightly watered down version of the Golf R, performance wise.

However, the G70 is far better than either one of those cars. The 3.3 turbo engine in the G70 combined with its amazing chassis are simply in another class than the S3.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Hey guys,

I'm trying to decide between two cars: 2018/2019 Audi S3 or a 2018/2019 Genesis G70 3.3t AWD Sport.

While they may or may not be in the same category, they're pretty much even on price. The Genesis has more power under the hood and I think the styling is superior. However, the Audi has a terrific platform that can make a lot of power and is generally seen as very reliable. \

So how is the G70 3.3t AWD in terms of reliability? I understand that they've only been in the US for a short time, but has anyone had any major problems?

Also, how is the aftermarket support so far? Looking at the JB4, it looks like they're boasting 460/530 at the wheels. That's absolutely nuts but I'm assuming that it's for the RWD models, correct? If so, does anyone know what kind of power the AWD ones make with the tune? Does anyone have it? If so, what's your take on it? Is the car a completely different animal with it?

Sorry for the loads of questions. With the cars still being as new as they are, there's not a whole lot of information on them yet!

As far as I'm aware, so far no one has found the HP/TQ limit on the 3.3TT engine (both in the Stinger and G70), but everyone has been using stock turbos from what I've seen.

~450WHP seems to be pretty common with the stock turbos, to me they seem maxed out. Like you said, this is RWD. AWD seems to dyno approx ~40WHP lower than RWD in stock form. I haven't seen AWD dyno's of modded G70's or Stingers, as most people using AWD just disable the front wheels to make their dyno numbers look bigger. But, I'm sure over 400AWHP with the current mod availability is doable.

So far the only aftermarket support I've seen comes in piggy back units, (though Tork Motorsports say they were able to flash the ECU) intake systems, intercoolers (though very limited options), and cat-back exhausts. Aftermarket downpipes and midpipes seem to be pretty rare thus far. Have not heard of anyone using different turbos yet. That said, there is still a lot of untapped potential in terms of aftermarket support.

 

[AkiraSieghart]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

To better clarify what I'm looking for: I'm looking for a 4-door sedan/fastback in the mid 50's. I'm looking for something that's comfortable on the inside, can get decent gas mileage, has a fair amount of aftermarket support, AWD (I like in NJ), something that is fairly fast stock, and something that looks mature. Finally, I'd like to get all of that for $50k.

I like the Audi because it checks off every single box I have. It's a mature car with a great platform that has a butt-ton of aftermarket support because of the Golf R. However, what I don't like about the S3 is that it's so boring. It looks fine but it just doesn't excite me. The RS3 excites me but it's too far above what I'm looking to spend right now. In my opinion, most Audi's look the same and it's one of the reasons why I'm not considering a 340i xdrive.

The G70, well seems like a perfect match, too, but the new-ness of it has me a little worried. Genesis has some big names behind it, but I'm just trying to figure out what I'm getting myself into. It seems to have a bit of an aftermarket scene around it now because of the Stinger and yeah, I have no problems waiting for it to get better, but I just want to make sure it's reliable above all.

Honestly, I feel like the decision would already have been made if there were any remotely around me to test drive.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Honestly, I feel like the decision would already have been made if there were any remotely around me to test drive.

You mentioned you live in NJ. NJ currently has 7 dealers so I would think you should be able to get a test drive in although may have to drive a bit depending on where you live in the state.

New Jersey
Genesis of Cherry Hill
Genesis of Freehold
Genesis of Jersey City
Genesis of Mahwah
Genesis of North Plainfield
Genesis of Wayne
Genesis of Woodbridge

 

[EdP]

The G70, well seems like a perfect match, too, but the new-ness of it has me a little worried. Genesis has some big names behind it, but I'm just trying to figure out what I'm getting myself into. It seems to have a bit of an aftermarket scene around it now because of the Stinger and yeah, I have no problems waiting for it to get better, but I just want to make sure it's reliable above all.

My last five cars have been Hyundai/Genesis. The reason is the reliability. Far better quality than any US or German car I've owned in the past 50+ years.

I also understand you don't want a car constantly going to the dealer. Fine, but if at 60,000 you blow a piston on an Audi are you OK with the repair bill or would you rather have Roadside Assistance take your G70 to the dealer for a free fix?

The G70 may be new, but many of the components are tried and true for a company noted for quality. Your money, your choice.

 

[mikemu30]

But if you're worried about retention value, Hyundai/Genesis is not the manufacturer for you. Great cars, reliable but they lose value much more rapidly than many of the competitors.

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[AkiraSieghart]

Honestly, that's not a worry of mine at all. The Audi S3 also depreciates pretty quickly. Honestly, the fact that I'd be able to find a 2017+ S3 used with less than 10k miles is one of the things drawing me to it. I'm personally not a huge fan of buying brand new cars and taking that ~10% depreciation hit for the car leaving the lot but whether or not there would be any Genesis 3.3t AWD Sport models available used seems like a slim chance.

 

[mikemu30]

Right - if you want a preowned one, you'll have to wait a bit. But once the excitement of the new model release has worn off, I'm sure they'll be discounting pretty heavily especially on sedans which nobody seems to want any longer in this SUV craze.

 

[NLJ]

Right - if you want a preowned one, you'll have to wait a bit. But once the excitement of the new model release has worn off, I'm sure they'll be discounting pretty heavily especially on sedans which nobody seems to want any longer in this SUV craze.

It's not like there is a glut of these available for the prices to just tank.

 

[TurtleBoy]

It's not like there is a glut of these available for the prices to just tank.

It all depends on how sales go. I don't know about tank but think discounts of 6-10% will be commonplace come later Spring/Early Summer.

 

[AkiraSieghart]

It's not like there is a glut of these available for the prices to just tank.

I personally don't expect them to tank. But I'm hoping that within a few months, there will be more dealerships popping up in the States and inventory will grow. Once the dealers have some inventory sitting, at least buyers like myself would be able to negotiate on MSRP. Like I said, I'd be shocked if any used ones pop up within 6 months and even if they do, I doubt they'll be priced at more than a few thousand off of MSRP.

I'm not looking to jump into anything immediately. The S3 and the G70 both have my attention right now and I won't be making any purchases until I can take a long test drive with both. I'm actually not expecting to make a purchase until early-to-mid February at the earliest.

 

[Toddasaurus]

It all depends on how sales go. I don't know about tank but think discounts of 6-10% will be commonplace come later Spring/Early Summer.

I hope so, and I certainly have believed that up until now. I've made the assumption that the G70 will follow the pricing path of the Stinger, and it very well might, but I am beginning to think that it won't share nearly the same discounts. I only base my reasoning on the fact that the Stinger was just overpriced to begin with. I mean, the direct conversion from CAD to USD for the top trim Stinger shows that we (in the US) are getting shafted on that car! Haha.

 

[Beefer]

I hope so, and I certainly have believed that up until now. I've made the assumption that the G70 will follow the pricing path of the Stinger, and it very well might, but I am beginning to think that it won't share nearly the same discounts. I only base my reasoning on the fact that the Stinger was just overpriced to begin with. I mean, the direct conversion from CAD to USD for the top trim Stinger shows that we (in the US) are getting shafted on that car! Haha.

Well...I already got a 9.1% discount. That includes $1k below MSRP, $1k Conquest and $2,500 Lease CB. So I am very happy with that.

If you are looking for 10% off of MSRP...good luck...not happening unless dealers are totally desperate. Hot new car...winning awards everywhere...Genesis reliability awards...wicked reviews across the board...$10k+ cheaper than direct (equally equipped) competition. I mean...why would they do that?!?

I simply do not see it. But time will tell I suppose.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Can the conquest discount apply to buying, or is it just for leasing?

 

[Beefer]

Can the conquest discount apply to buying, or is it just for leasing?

Both

 

[TurtleBoy]

Can the conquest discount apply to buying, or is it just for leasing?

Either one.