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Anybody Gone HID?

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Wondering if anyone else has gone HID on the low beams? Ordered up a 35w 5000k H11 kit for the wifey's ride. She actually asked if there was something I could do for brighter lighting, lol, after all the "not change anything" & "don't need no stinkin drivin lights" crap. So I now have been scoping under the hood and have seen the cramped quarters as far as getting to the lows and where to mount ballasts and such and it appears I'll have to remove the headlights to have access to swap out bulbs and also to be able to have room to work to mount the ballasts. Any feedback on this operation from any who've done this? I have done it on our other 2 vehicles so not asking about how to do it, just what other's might have encountered on this particular vehicle.
 
OK, here's the skinny.......It is H11 for low beams. H7 is for different market somewhere. It was marked on the side of the housing, as was 35w HID NAS - North America Somethin? It had H11 NAS on it too. So don't buy H7s as are targeted to these cars in many places like on ebay and others. Took the headlight out, took off the cap for low beams, took out the bulb, drilled quarter size hole in cap for HID grommet, wiped bulb just to be sure before installing in housing, plugged in wiring, replaced cap with grommet, secured ballasts under each light zipstripping to headlight housing support bracket, plugged in ballast wiring & replaced housing in car. Of course I tested both before installing and tested each again before mounting housing back in car. Turned out great. Cutoff in projector is perfect. Lighting is stellar. Didn't even have to re-aim lights. Lows stay on when using brights so wifey has all kinda light now. Hell, I'm happy how the install went and that I didn't end up with H11 bulbs and had to order different bulbs had it needed H7. Thanks to motorsportsauthority for the headlight removal tip, I coulda procrastinated on that for awhile. Best 45.00 I've spent this week, lol.............
 
I've read up and i thought i saw that the proper light (to be specific) is the H11b bulb for the Genesis Coupe. But i think i also read that the h11 is good enough sizing that it doesnt really matter.

My question is that it all seems simple and ive read about a bajiillion ways to install the lights. i guess more specific questions are:

1) how did you test your HID bulbs before install? (if you even did so)
2) i get everything up to the wiring part...i bought the kit from diode dynamics and it seems pretty beefy with stuff. Just curious has anyone had trouble following the instructions wiring it up? i mean is it just "connect the yellow wired to the other yellow wire" kinda deal?

I think that's what i'm worried about most. Wiring this whole thing up. If anyone can ease my stress i'd gladly appreciate it. Looking to install mine tonight so hopefully all goes well.
 
When it comes to electrical stuff, I leave it to the experts. I upgraded to 8K head and fogs. LOVE EM!!! I also had daytime running lights installed, switchback blinkers, and my fogs re-wired so I can operate them independently from the headlights. Most of the time when I'm driving at night, I don't switch the headlights on (unless I'm on the freeway); just have the daytime running lights, the switchbacks and the fogs on; gives the car a wicked looking face!

THIS IS JUST THE RUNNING LIGHTS, SWITCHBACKS, HEADLIGHTS AND FOGS OFF. THIS WAS BEFORE I GOT THE FOGS WIRED INDEPENDENTLY
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I'll have to take another one and post it with the lighting described above.
 
When it comes to electrical stuff, I leave it to the experts. I upgraded to 8K head and fogs. LOVE EM!!! I also had daytime running lights installed, switchback blinkers, and my fogs re-wired so I can operate them independently from the headlights. Most of the time when I'm driving at night, I don't switch the headlights on (unless I'm on the freeway); just have the daytime running lights, the switchbacks and the fogs on; gives the car a wicked looking face!

Keep in mind that your car is now a mobile road hazard. You can't drop HIDs in halogen reflectors or projectors and expect good results. Because the location in the housing of the source of light will move because of the different bumb sizing, you're going to get a good amount of upward glare and potential hot and cold spots. Also, you've made you foglights completely useless for their intended purpose and because foglights, by design, glare more than low beams, you can't have them on on public roads either. Many people have the misconception that foglights are auxiliary lighting, Unfortunately they are not.
 
Keep in mind that your car is now a mobile road hazard. You can't drop HIDs in halogen reflectors or projectors and expect good results. Because the location in the housing of the source of light will move because of the different bumb sizing, you're going to get a good amount of upward glare and potential hot and cold spots. Also, you've made you foglights completely useless for their intended purpose and because foglights, by design, glare more than low beams, you can't have them on on public roads either. Many people have the misconception that foglights are auxiliary lighting, Unfortunately they are not.

It seems you've been misinformed and have some misconceptions...
1. I see you're a Sedan owner, so obviously you're not familiar with the specs when it comes to the Coupes. My car already had HID lighting, it's a Track model which comes with "low intensity" HID's; all I did was upgrade the intensity, just like with standard or halogen lighting; you can upgrade their intensities also. There's a post here in the forum where sedan owners that have (like myself) just halogen lighting and have upgraded to HID lighting, which I plan to also do (I did the same with my 2009 3.3L V6 Limited Sonata); and
2. I'm not sure what state you live in, but here California it is NOT illegal to have your foglights running; anytime or anywhere with your headlights. In fact, most people here that have foglights, have them on in conjunction with their headlights whenever they are driving at night; some even during the day.

"California Vehicle Code Section 24403 Foglamps
Foglamps
24403. (a) A motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than two foglamps that may be used with, but may not be used in substitution of, headlamps."


This I knew, and that's why I turn on my headlights on the freeways, but usually leave them off on the streets, unless I'm in a dimly lit area. And the cops don't seem to care. I really think they don't know and can't tell the difference because of all the new and latest headlight lighting configurations coming out on the new cars today.

So, next time before you dub someones car "a mobile road hazard", try doing a little investigating, research and reading. Educate yourself, because RIF (Reading is Fundamental)! ;)
 
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These are my flame thrower entries. LOL!
 

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try doing a little investigating, research and reading. Educate yourself, because RIF (Reading is Fundamental)! ;)

Heh, that's my line. In over 10 years on auto forums that's the 1st time anyone has ever said that to me on this subject. I've helped provide the content for lighting FAQs on a forum with almost 350,000 registered members.

Look, since you're new to lighting I'll give a bit more of an explanation. Admittedly in your defense I didn't know the Track version came from the factory with HID optics. However you completely went back on yourself when you mentioned Genesis owners adding HID kids and your wanting to do it to an Elantra. That's 50-state federally illegal. Installing HIDs in headlights that did not come with them from the factory brings them out of compliance with FMVSS No. 108 and 49 U.S.C. § 30122 (since you like looking up laws) states it illegal to bring them out of that compliance. That's why on the box you'll see disclaimers for off-road use only. Halogen optics are not in any way HID compatible. The placements of lights source in the bulb and the way the light is emitted (coil versus arc) are completely different. In the most elementary of examples, when you move a mirror in a telescope things will go out of focus. This is a lesson you learned in 2nd grade. It's the same concept. When you move the light source within the optic assembly the beam no longer focuses properly and you get glare. This is true no matter whether you have reflectors or projectors. The light shifts out of focus and you loose your cleaner cutoff, sending light upwards, and often you will get hot and cold spots (dimmer and bright areas) in the projection itself that would not otherwise be there.

In addition, you mentioned that you "upgraded" you lighting from the factory "low intensity high intensity discharge" (
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) headlights. All factory HID setups across the board are 35w 4100-4300k. You bought a 55w "8000k" (no 2 HID kit companies high kelvin bulbs are ever actually the same temperature). Would it surprise you to know that you didn't actually upgrade? Yes, the 55w setup is brighter than the previous 35w kit, but not by much and not on the scale you would think. A 35w 4300k OEM bulb generally has an output of 3,100 lumens. Your garden variety 55w 8000k bulb will measure around 3,500 lumens. By comparison, a 55w 4300k bulb will output ~4,000 and a 35w 8000k roughly 2,600. Past 5000k, bulbs will see a significant drop off in light output. Manufacturers stick with the 4300k range because they actually put out the most usable light. For reference, lumens are a general measure of light, and not an indicator of how well the human eye uses it. Light on the blue end of the color spectrum travels in shorter wavelengths. What this means is that it scatters more readily and disperses (this also means you get less light down range and it means increased glare). This is the basic premises for Rayleigh Scattering, which explains why the sky is blue. Anyways, to display how blue is bad for the human eye, open your favorite photo twice in Photoshop. On one apply a sepia filter, and on the other a cyan filter. Which image has more contrast? That's the same strain on your eyes that your submitting yourself to when driving at night.

Onto foglights. I never mentioned the legality of having them on at night (rather having HIDs in them at all). I said you made your car a mobile road hazard because foglights with HIDs are even worse than halogen low-beams with them. Most people assume that foglights are axillary lighting to help add more light in front of the car. In reality they are only meant to project a few feet out from the immediate vicinity of the car. Their primary purpose is not for forward lighting, it's to light up the lane markers on either side of the car. Foglights also glare by design. This is why you don't even want to run overwattage halogen bulbs, nevermind HIDs. When there is no fog or heavy rain, your fogs are absolutely blinding the cars in front of you because you're not only running high intensity lights, but also from the extra scattering from running blue lights as I explained earlier. And in heavy fog you've actually hurt your own vision for the exact same reasons. Ever driven in fog with your brights on? You can't see anything. Just a wall of white. Combine that with the fact that blue scatters even more in fog and that you're adding more strain on your eyes in the worst possible situation.... Other drivers in your vicinity will also suffer. Hence you've made your fogs useless for their intended purpose.

Anyways, as most people who run these setups and are know-it-alls that seem to think they know what they are doing, I doubt you will read all of this, but I posted this for those who will. I apologize for the fact that I could have organized that better with more paragraphs; now you see why I provided the material for the FAQs instead of writing them. :o

Let the lighting wars begin!
These are my flame thrower entries. LOL!

I challenge you with one of my actual cars. LOL. I have 100w bulbs in my driving lights. I can light up a football field. ;)
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I've actually been debating adding 2 Hella 500 foglights inside the grill because we do get fog and have a lot of deer here. Though even I will admit that having so many lights will undoubtedly look ridiculous.
 
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Heh, that's my line. In over 10 years on auto forums that's the 1st time anyone has ever said that to me on this subject. I've helped provide the content for lighting FAQs on a forum with almost 350,000 registered members.

Look, since you're new to lighting I'll give a bit more of an explanation. Admittedly in your defense I didn't know the Track version came from the factory with HID optics. However you completely went back on yourself when you mentioned Genesis owners adding HID kids and your wanting to do it to an Elantra. That's 50-state federally illegal. Installing HIDs in headlights that did not come with them from the factory brings them out of compliance with FMVSS No. 108 and 49 U.S.C. § 30122 (since you like looking up laws) states it illegal to bring them out of that compliance. That's why on the box you'll see disclaimers for off-road use only. Halogen optics are not in any way HID compatible. The placements of lights source in the bulb and the way the light is emitted (coil versus arc) are completely different. In the most elementary of examples, when you move a mirror in a telescope things will go out of focus. This is a lesson you learned in 2nd grade. It's the same concept. When you move the light source within the optic assembly the beam no longer focuses properly and you get glare. This is true no matter whether you have reflectors or projectors. The light shifts out of focus and you loose your cleaner cutoff, sending light upwards, and often you will get hot and cold spots (dimmer and bright areas) in the projection itself that would not otherwise be there.

In addition, you mentioned that you "upgraded" you lighting from the factory "low intensity high intensity discharge" (
lol.gif
) headlights. All factory HID setups across the board are 35w 4100-4300k. You bought a 55w "8000k" (no 2 HID kit companies high kelvin bulbs are ever actually the same temperature). Would it surprise you to know that you didn't actually upgrade? Yes, the 55w setup is brighter than the previous 35w kit, but not by much and not on the scale you would think. A 35w 4300k OEM bulb generally has an output of 3,100 lumens. Your garden variety 55w 8000k bulb will measure around 3,500 lumens. By comparison, a 55w 4300k bulb will output ~4,000 and a 35w 8000k roughly 2,600. Past 5000k, bulbs will see a significant drop off in light output. Manufacturers stick with the 4300k range because they actually put out the most usable light. For reference, lumens are a general measure of light, and not an indicator of how well the human eye uses it. Light on the blue end of the color spectrum travels in shorter wavelengths. What this means is that it scatters more readily and disperses (this also means you get less light down range and it means increased glare). This is the basic premises for Rayleigh Scattering, which explains why the sky is blue. Anyways, to display how blue is bad for the human eye, open your favorite photo twice in Photoshop. On one apply a sepia filter, and on the other a cyan filter. Which image has more contrast? That's the same strain on your eyes that your submitting yourself to when driving at night.

Onto foglights. I never mentioned the legality of having them on at night (rather having HIDs in them at all). I said you made your car a mobile road hazard because foglights with HIDs are even worse than halogen low-beams with them. Most people assume that foglights are axillary lighting to help add more light in front of the car. In reality they are only meant to project a few feet out from the immediate vicinity of the car. Their primary purpose is not for forward lighting, it's to light up the lane markers on either side of the car. Foglights also glare by design. This is why you don't even want to run overwattage halogen bulbs, nevermind HIDs. When there is no fog or heavy rain, your fogs are absolutely blinding the cars in front of you because you're not only running high intensity lights, but also from the extra scattering from running blue lights as I explained earlier. And in heavy fog you've actually hurt your own vision for the exact same reasons. Ever driven in fog with your brights on? You can't see anything. Just a wall of white. Combine that with the fact that blue scatters even more in fog and that you're adding more strain on your eyes in the worst possible situation.... Other drivers in your vicinity will also suffer. Hence you've made your fogs useless for their intended purpose.

Anyways, as most people who run these setups and are know-it-alls that seem to think they know what they are doing, I doubt you will read all of this, but I posted this for those who will. I apologize for the fact that I could have organized that better with more paragraphs; now you see why I provided the material for the FAQs instead of writing them. :o



I challenge you with one of my actual cars. LOL. I have 100w bulbs in my driving lights. I can light up a football field. ;)
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I've actually been debating adding 2 Hella 500 foglights inside the grill because we do get fog and have a lot of deer here. Though even I will admit that having so many lights will undoubtedly look ridiculous.

LOL, I repeat what I said again, RIF.
1. So now you admit you didn't know what you were talking about regarding HID lighting in the Coupe, but then turn around and say I didn't really "upgrade"; are you a politician?
2. Where do you get that I said I wanted to put HID's in an Elantra? I have a Genesis Coupe and a Genesis Sedan...
3. "...you can't have them on on public roads either..." I think anyone reading that statement would feel you were commenting about the legality of them.
4. I don't consider myself a "know it all" and I did read all that you posted, even the message below. So, you're sitting there putting people on blast when they change their lighting, but then you turn around and talk about, "... I have 100w bulbs in my driving lights. I can light up a football field..."? Oh, but I forgot, you've provided lighting information for over 350,000 people in forums so your lighting is legal, in complaince and not too bright...

What I've learned from being on 5 different forums is that there are always people out there that will trash talk what you do to your car. In one of the forums I belong to, we actually get together, see each others cars, take trips together, etc. so though you talk about my lighting has basically been ruined and is too bright, ALL the feedback I've gotten (recently from the police) is they're not to bright and they look good (even the fogs, in the fog, lol); so as long as they're not illegal, not too bright, and do the job they're supposed to do, which is illuminate the road and not blind anyone, I think that's all anyone is concerned about. Having them "look good" is just an additional plus! ;)
 
LOL, I repeat what I said again, RIF.
1. So now you admit you didn't know what you were talking about regarding HID lighting in the Coupe, but then turn around and say I didn't really "upgrade"; are you a politician?
2. Where do you get that I said I wanted to put HID's in an Elantra? I have a Genesis Coupe and a Genesis Sedan...
3. "...you can't have them on on public roads either..." I think anyone reading that statement would feel you were commenting about the legality of them.
4. I don't consider myself a "know it all" and I did read all that you posted, even the message below. So, you're sitting there putting people on blast when they change their lighting, but then you turn around and talk about, "... I have 100w bulbs in my driving lights. I can light up a football field..."? Oh, but I forgot, you've provided lighting information for over 350,000 people in forums so your lighting is legal, in complaince and not too bright...

What I've learned from being on 5 different forums is that there are always people out there that will trash talk what you do to your car. In one of the forums I belong to, we actually get together, see each others cars, take trips together, etc. so though you talk about my lighting has basically been ruined and is too bright, ALL the feedback I've gotten (recently from the police) is they're not to bright and they look good (even the fogs, in the fog, lol); so as long as they're not illegal, not too bright, and do the job they're supposed to do, which is illuminate the road and not blind anyone, I think that's all anyone is concerned about. Having them "look good" is just an additional plus! ;)

1. The only thing I admitted to was not knowing that your model came HIDs. Most coupes don't. I also explained my statement. ;)

2. Apologies, you said Sonata.
"There's a post here in the forum where sedan owners that have (like myself) just halogen lighting and have upgraded to HID lighting, which I plan to also do (I did the same with my 2009 3.3L V6 Limited Sonata)"

3. The legality is part of it, but think in terms of why it's illegal...because it's a road hazard.

4. Driving lights are not intended to be used in the presence of other drivers. And I don't use them as such; they almost always have covers on them. I used to do a lot of driving down unlit roads where you would rarely see other cars. Nice try though.

As far as your feedback from other forums, I don't doubt that that's what you've been told. Most people know absolutely nothing about the topic except that their HIDs are 'mad tyte JDM". If that weren't the case I wouldn't have had to type out my last post. :p
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I actually just installed some HIDs in my Genesis12 200GT they look awesome! So happy with them. Only took an hour for both...longest time and waiting on shipping.uploadfromtaptalk1396399218898.webp
 
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