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Anyone try these Dunlops?

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I know the OEM Dunlops get poor reviews here, and will definitely not buy them when I need to replace the current tires. But are the poor reviews specific to this tire, or all Dunlops?
Looking on Tirerack, they are clearing out the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT tire, nad there is also a $60 rebate.

The reviews on the tire seem very good. Average rating is 8.3, whereas for the OEM Dunlops, it's a 5.6 rating. This makes me think that the poor reviews are specific to the OEM tire (SP Sport 5000 M)
 
I wouldn't think they are the best choice for a couple reasons. They are Max Performance Summer tires (this isn't bad if your not driving in snow/slushy weather), only 288k miles reported from owners, they come in 8th out of 25 in their category (Max Performance Summer), have no treadwear warranty at all (same as the OEM tires). $700 cost.


For $712 you can have superior tires: Continental ExtremeContact DWS (Ultra High Performance All Season). They have a 6 year / 50k treadwear warranty, over 17 million miles reported from owners and are great in all driving conditions. Another nice tire in this category is the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus.

Conti Tires: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact+DWS&partnum=35WR8ECDWS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes


Michelin Tires: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+A%2FS+Plus&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=35YR8PSAS&tab=Sizes


I hope this helps some in your buying decision :)
 
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Thanks for the insight. I didn't catch the short sample size of the Dunlops. And good points on the warranty.
The only difference in what you posted though is that set of Dunlops are about $440 after a $60 rebate, so it would save quite a bit

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...8SMTTOLD&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

At the end of the day, I agree that it's probably better to bite the bullet on the Contis. Better tire, better warranty, and a lot of good first hand reviews on this forum so I can be more confident that it will be a good ride on the Genesis

Thanks again
 
My pleasure to try and help, when I posted it seems they have the Dunlop's listed twice for the same tire...odd. The one shows them at $496 and the other has them at $700 after rebate. Wonder if this is some sort of typo on their part. I have 14k miles on my Conti's and they have been great so far, I'm really happy with their overall performance and they are night and day in comparison to the stock Dunlop's.
 
1 important factor I'd like to point out is that comparing summer tires and all seasons is like comparing apples to oranges. DWS are a great tire. Are you looking for a summer tire, cause they also make DW (Dry/Wet) which I currently have.
 
I bought a set of General G- Max AS03 225/50ZR18 Tires from www.discounttiredirect.com for $574 delivered to the door.
Have been real pleased with these tires.
They have a smooth ride and stick like Velcro to the road.
 
I agree with Southern Boy.
 
Question: If you replace the OEM Michelins (low rolling resistance tires) with another tire that is not as 'energy efficient'...what sort of decline in MPG can be expected? That is, Hyundai equips the cars with efficient tires AND thinner oil to meed EPA mileage requirements...does going to a different tire really affect fuel economy that much?
 
Question: If you replace the OEM Michelins (low rolling resistance tires) with another tire that is not as 'energy efficient'...what sort of decline in MPG can be expected? That is, Hyundai equips the cars with efficient tires AND thinner oil to meed EPA mileage requirements...does going to a different tire really affect fuel economy that much?


I can say that when I switched to my Continental's I didn't note a decrease of any sort, if anything slightly better mileage. I usually get 18-21 city and right at 30 on the highway, which to me in a car that weighs in a 5000lbs isn't that bad. I know gas mileage could be better but sadly I think that is one of those things that car manufacturers and gas companies are in bed with each other on....just my opinion on that matter lol.
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Thanks for the info, even if it's somewhat anecdotal. I do not believe, nor do I have proof, that car manufacturers are in cahoots with each other. Why? Because they have their own huge issues to deal with.

Auto manufacturers are mandated by the EPA to provide a certain amount of fuel economy in their fleet (and each individual car). Oil corporations are in the business of selling a commodity that is highly susceptible to the Economics 101 version of "supply and demand", as well as "jitters" when it comes world events. Also, we, the taxpayers, are under the mistaken belief that "low gasoline prices" are an inherent American right. Not so. If the U.S. Government were to STOP subsidizing the oil industry outright, we would get a 'real' view as to what fuel costs (like European countries). As it is, we 'think' we have always paid "low" prices for gas ("remember when gas was $2 a gallon" or some such thing). Of course, we'd pay higher prices for a gallon of gasoline...and if we were not in so much debt and paying higher taxes overall, we'd probably see a lower tax bill. But the government just keeps collecting and spending....oh wow, I better get off my soap box. LoL....

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I can say that when I switched to my Continental's I didn't note a decrease of any sort, if anything slightly better mileage. I usually get 18-21 city and right at 30 on the highway, which to me in a car that weighs in a 5000lbs isn't that bad. I know gas mileage could be better but sadly I think that is one of those things that car manufacturers and gas companies are in bed with each other on....just my opinion on that matter lol.
 
I know the OEM Dunlops get poor reviews here, and will definitely not buy them when I need to replace the current tires. But are the poor reviews specific to this tire, or all Dunlops?
Looking on Tirerack, they are clearing out the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT tire, nad there is also a $60 rebate.

The reviews on the tire seem very good. Average rating is 8.3, whereas for the OEM Dunlops, it's a 5.6 rating. This makes me think that the poor reviews are specific to the OEM tire (SP Sport 5000 M)

check the tirerack survey. The tire does not rank high in rain or ride comfort.
Don't skimp on tires. As stated the General Gmax seems to be good. I personally use the new Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus, its not cheap but grips in rain like the road is dry, its also very quiet and smooth riding.
 
You sure you're not driving a Bentley Continental or a RR Phantom??:D


well curb weight of 3900, but fully loaded up to 5k....still a heavy car, and if your in a V8 even a bit heavier yet :)


I know my view on gas companies and car manufacturers is a bit cynical when it comes to the miles per gallon your vehicle gets. It would seem to me that they could be making them way more efficient then they are considering how advanced technology is today.
 
Well, yes and no, I will grant you that.

If it were ALL mandated by "fuel economy", then we'd ALL be driving things akin to the Smart car or Honda Fit or the Fiat thingy and we'd be getting probably 60 mph.

However, REALITY is that the American consumer does NOT want 'small' cars en masse. They want SUVs, and bigger cars that have POWER. So, let's compare. Years and years ago I owned a '68 Chevy Camaro convertible. Back in the mid-70's, well I seem to remember paying around a dollar or less for a gallon gas...$.899 comes to mind, but that's immaterial. That Camaro, had a 327 c.i.d. engine, which equates to 5.352 L now. And the 327 wasn't the largest engines...there were 350, 396, 407, 454....but let's stick on the Camaro. That '68 had VERY little in the way of emissions controls. No catalytic converter, no EGR recirculation system, just a big Holly 4 bbl carb, dual exhaust, a PVC valve, etc. And 350 hp (at least my Camaro did). It did not have radial tires, and wasn't all that aerodynamic in the front end (big grille, radiatork, etc). What was my fuel economy? I think at the MOST, on long freeway trips, I got somewhere around 20-22 mpg (and REMEMVBER hte legal speed limit on interstates was 55 mph!). Fast forward to now, and compare a NEW Camaro convertibles. Heavier, more HP...the "out the door" price in '68 for that car was $2995 (I had the original window sticker from the original owner). A new, similarly equipped Camaro (yes, mine had power windows, fold down rear seat, gauges, cruise control, etc). Looking at the Chevy site, a 2012 V6 starts at $35K. That's the V6, 6-speed manual tranny (my old one only had a 4-speed)...start tacking on the options and it gets pricey. BUT for performance, take a look: The V6 will still only get 17/28 mpg overall. If you stuff the V8 in it, the price skyrockets to well over 40K and the fuel economy drops off to 14/19.

Take a look at my old 1990 Isuzu LS 4x4 SpaceCab. Paid $15K for in back in Oct 89 in Hawaii. Yes, original owner here. It's consistantly give me something around 18/24 mpg (it has the BIG 2.6L fuel injected 4 cyl Isuzu engine) and 5-speed manual tranny. It now has 190K on it and is in VERY good shape (having lived in AZ since March 1990). Then the "cash for clunkers' was in full swing, I thought about 'trading' But when I went to look at the small trucks, I'd decided on the Toyota....now I would have gotten a rebate, but the Toyota truck I was looking at at 6 cylinders (no 4), had similar features (AC, power windows, stereo, yati yati)...but in terms of fuel economy did not do any better than MY Isuzu..something like 14/19. So I simply could NOT justify trashing my 'good' truck (it would have been stripped and crushed, supposedly), go into debt STILL for nearly 30K (after reabate) to get a truck that was the same size, similar features, and basically got the same fuel economy as the one I have. Couldn't justify it.

Why the disparity. Mostly to blame is the EPA....the emissions requirements have required bigger engines with more HP to deliver the performance required by consumers. When you 'smog down' a vehicle, you have to boost the HP to compensate. Sort of a basic fact of nature, I guess. We DO lost a 'bit' of economy with 10% ethanol but it's NOT that much when you do a down and dirty physics comparison of BTUs per gallon between "pure gasoline" and E10. The engines today are MORE efficient at extracting energy of a gallon of fuel compared to the heyday of muscle cars. And of course, they POLLUTE a whole lot less. But there is a cost. Look at DIESEL engines. Why are there no AMERICAN cars equipped with DIESEL engines? They have lots of power...and they are efficient. THE EPA that's why. The EPAs requirements for diesel engines are out in left field. Subject for another discussion. I think the Genny would be a most awesome car with a diesel engine under the hood!

So a connection between the oil companies and the auto manufacturers? Not really. Oil is a commodity that is subject to supply and demand. And lately, as China and India's economies heated up, they DEMANDED a LOT more because they have no domestic supplies, so they compete with everybody else out there buying crude.

There's a symbiosis, of curse, oil producer - oil consumer..but that's about it.

Here are a couple of historical things to chew on:

Diesel, the inventor of the "diesel" engine, desired an engine that could be fueled with biomass from domestic German farms...vegetable oils...most notably PEANUT OIL. Yes, peanut oil. It would have created an engine with a domestic source of fuel and kept German farmers, well, farming.

Henry Ford's Model T had an engine that was able to run on gasoline, kerosene, or ethanol. Yes. it was. In 1908, gas stations were few and far between. Ford wanted to make his car popular with the masses and to FARMERS in particular; One variant had the carburetor (a Holley Model G) modified to run on ethyl alcohol, to be made at home by the self-reliant farmer. Well, needless to say, the popularity of the car soared and it sold. The fledgling oil industry was right behind, but one thing that was troubling was the fact that cars could run on ethanol and not need the new 'gasoline'. This is where you have to dig a bit and connect the dots. Car takes off, and soon there's talk of prohibition..that is, the banning of ALL forms of alcohol..especially 'ethanol'. This was enacted in 1920 and lasted until 1933. The Model T was produced from 1908 to 1927. We all know the 'reasons' for Prohibition...or do we? It's possible that there WAS a connection between Prohibitionists and the oil industry...Rockefeller may have opposed alcohol PUBLICLY for morality reasons but look at the end result: Alcohol gets banned, thus ALL vehicles MUST consume gasoline. IF it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. LoL....Ford may have supported it because he had a lot of workers he didn't want hungover. Anyways, Ford continued to make the dual fuel T's, but it proved too costly and stopped making the ethanol-capable T's shortly before the T was stopped altogether. The interesting thing is to look at graphs of the demise of alcohol overlaid with the soaring use of petroleum (gas) and oil idustry profits. Such is life.


well curb weight of 3900, but fully loaded up to 5k....still a heavy car, and if your in a V8 even a bit heavier yet :)


I know my view on gas companies and car manufacturers is a bit cynical when it comes to the miles per gallon your vehicle gets. It would seem to me that they could be making them way more efficient then they are considering how advanced technology is today.
 
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