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COVID-19 Human Interaction Thread

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I'm in the "epicenter" in Queens, NY, so we're in de facto quarantine mode. Only regularly leaving our apartment to go grocery shopping. For the first time yesterday, there was actually a line to get in the grocery store since they're only letting a certain number of people in at a time. They're also trying to establish a "traffic pattern" in the grocery store by making alternating aisles one-way streets. Craziness.

Both me and wife are working from home, and doing so in relative harmony. Thankfully we're both still employed. No kids (yet), so pretty quiet around here, but I know the people with kids are going nuts trying to both work at home and manage the brood.

I've been taking long drives through the eerily empty streets for no reason other than to get out of the house.

Just finished watching "Into the Badlands" on netflix, which was great post-apocalyptic-kung-fu-action fun.

How's everyone else doing??
 
Struggling to separate work stress and home stress since I’m working from home. My wife is doing her best to support me and stay out of my way but I miss human interaction so much and being able to just lean around my desk to talk to my friends at my office. I feel guilty even taking drives, since I know an accident is not what we need right now and the G70 + empty roads is a lot of temptation
 
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Struggling to separate work stress and home stress since I’m working from home. My wife is doing her best to support me and stay out of my way but I miss human interaction so much and being able to just lean around my desk to talk to my friends at my office. I feel guilty even taking drives, since I know an accident is not what we need right now and the G70 + empty roads is a lot of temptation

I understand this. I didn't realize how much of a social outlet it was just being at work. Thankfully I have my wife, but I think it'd be pretty lonely if I didn't.

On the flip side, I was talking to someone else on the phone the other day and he said he and his girlfriend were both working from home... in a studio apartment. I feel like only two thins could come of that arrangement: murder or pregnancy.
 
I understand this. I didn't realize how much of a social outlet it was just being at work. Thankfully I have my wife, but I think it'd be pretty lonely if I didn't.

On the flip side, I was talking to someone else on the phone the other day and he said he and his girlfriend were both working from home... in a studio apartment. I feel like only two thins could come of that arrangement: murder or pregnancy.
i have two kids and wife working at home, thankfully im still able to go to work and stay sane lol
 
I'm in the "epicenter" in Queens, NY, so we're in de facto quarantine mode. Only regularly leaving our apartment to go grocery shopping. For the first time yesterday, there was actually a line to get in the grocery store since they're only letting a certain number of people in at a time. They're also trying to establish a "traffic pattern" in the grocery store by making alternating aisles one-way streets. Craziness.

Both me and wife are working from home, and doing so in relative harmony. Thankfully we're both still employed. No kids (yet), so pretty quiet around here, but I know the people with kids are going nuts trying to both work at home and manage the brood.

I've been taking long drives through the eerily empty streets for no reason other than to get out of the house.

Just finished watching "Into the Badlands" on netflix, which was great post-apocalyptic-kung-fu-action fun.

How's everyone else doing??
I'm alone so it is mostly TV and computer. My son lives next door so he and wife come over for a drink about every other day and we have occasional dinner. I have two long time friends that I'd like to spend time with but one is 1100 miles, the other 1400 miles away so I call them about once a week for a long chat. They are alone too so my calls are appreciated.

I do miss going out for breakfast or lunch one in a while though. Even taking a ride, no place to stop for a snack or restroom right now.
 
Glad to hear people are doing well. My wife and I are also doing well and being very careful. We've been isolating for about five weeks now. Trying to get our groceries all delivered, with some success.
Our adult kids are thankfully doing well also, but we really miss seeing our grand kids in person. One is only six months old, so when we video chat we really see differences in his development over this five week period.
Unfortunately this is likely to go on for months still, although the curve is flattening. Without/until a vaccine, it will be hard to return to normal.
I'm waiting for more warm weather here in NH so I can wash and wax the cars!
 
Glad to hear people are doing well. My wife and I are also doing well and being very careful. We've been isolating for about five weeks now. Trying to get our groceries all delivered, with some success.
Our adult kids are thankfully doing well also, but we really miss seeing our grand kids in person. One is only six months old, so when we video chat we really see differences in his development over this five week period.
Unfortunately this is likely to go on for months still, although the curve is flattening. Without/until a vaccine, it will be hard to return to normal.
I'm waiting for more warm weather here in NH so I can wash and wax the cars!
Has to be tough with little ones like that as there is nothing like real interaction with grands. My youngest granddaughter is 22 so easier to contact. I'm hoping for quick turnaround on a vaccine.
 
I work in the Emergency Room as an RN and not too much has changed for us. My wife is an RN as well, but she's still on maternity leave (we had our 2nd child in Feb). We both work night shifts.

Being on the west coast it doesn't seem like we are hit nearly as hard as NY, in terms of COVID-19 related cases. Some food for thought, the virus related deaths in NY State account for almost half of the deaths in our entire country when talking about this virus. Nobody in America has it nearly as bad as NYC.

I've been contacted by multiple nurse travel agencies to get me to come to NYC. They aren't offering as much pay to do so as I thought they would; regardless, there's no way I'd leave my family for that. We don't have any other family in our state, so both me and my wife work opposite schedules (night shift for both of us, that is, we essentially work one week on and one week off, so one of us will be working while the other is essentially a single parent for that time).

Anyway, in my ER we've seen a number of potentially positive patients, but, our hospital system (and state) are still very limited on testing capacity. That said, we've discharged a number of patients who are most likely COVID-19 positive, but we don't know for sure because they don't meet qualifications to test them. The last time I looked at our numbers, I believe we had admitted close to 30 patients total that ended up being COVID-19 positive, and only one died. Our state's health authority (OHA) is now posting general information on the deaths associated with the virus.. When I looked yesterday I believe our death toll was at 44. Almost every single one of them had underlying health issues. Unfortunately, due to HIPPA, they can't disclose exactly how many and what kind of health issues these people had, but if it's anything like the people we've hospitalized at our hospital, then they've most likely had been in very poor health to begin with. Examples include (from patients I've seen hospitalized at my hospital) poorly managed diabetes, kidney failure, COPD, CHF, multiple cardiac stents and even bypass procedures done, along with a sedentary lifestyle and obesity.

Of course the above information is not based entirely on objective, statistical information; but, we can still see some basic trends. First, it doesn't seem like age, in and of itself, is a major factor. Is it a factor at all? I'm sure it is! But is a death sentence if you're old and become infected? Absolutely not. Second, virtually all deaths, at least in my state, have had at least one major underlying health problem to begin with. Some are very unhealthy in general, while others probably were relatively healthy but just had other problems, like a very weak immune system due to an organ transplant, or are having ongoing cancer treatment, etc.

Another interesting thing that my wife and I were discussing today is something our state government said. Kate Brown, Governor, recently stated that Oregon will only release the lock down/stay at home order when there have been zero COVID-19 related deaths for 10 consecutive days....

....I don't agree (neither does my wife) with her views on this. AFAIK, COVID-19 related deaths only means that someone has passed away, WHILE having tested positive for the virus. This doesn't necessarily mean that the virus itself caused their death (though I'm sure for the vast majority of cases it probably did), but more importantly, this is an unrealistic goal! People WILL die while being infected with this virus no matter what kind of social isolation is implemented. The only real hope for immunity is if at least half the population becomes infected at one time or another, so that we can build herd immunity, and/or a viable vaccination is produced (which won't happen for AT LEAST one year, bare minimum). On top of this, our state alone has a yearly death rate of over 37,000 in general - there is NO way that we will have 10 days of nobody dying that hasn't tested positive for COVID-19.

In my opinion, legislation like Kate Brown's will begin to put more and more strain on both local businesses, and even some large businesses. I think that the "solution" may end up causing more harm than the problem if it goes on for too long.


Anyway, going back to our personal lives. I do worry about becoming infected, not so much for my own wellbeing, but for my family's. My daughter is only 3.5 years old, and my son is only 2 months. So far, all of the data I've seen shows that my kids would be okay, as there haven't been any hospitalizations in my state for infants, or even pediatrics under 5 years old (last I checked, at least). But still, it would be very difficult to take care of my family if we got sick, primarily due to my and my wife's work schedule. We'd have to call in sick, but I am out of sick hours because I used it all up in order to afford paternity leave (Oregon does not offer paid leave for fathers).

At work my co-workers and I are all fastidious in keeping our work stations clean with antiviral wipes, along with donning and doffing PPE appropriately; but, we are getting very low on PPE, so we must re-use masks in-between patients. I use the same N95 mask for my entire shift, due to our hospital's ever changing policies on the matter. Keep in mind that these masks are supposed to be one time use, disposable masks. On top of that, no matter how perfectly you do what it takes to avoid transferring the virus somehow, you WILL miss something. 13 hours each night of constantly being weary of potential vectors for transmission is plenty of time to make mistakes.

So far I have not become sick, as far as I know. I can't even remember the last time I had a fever. Even so, I ordered a set of IGG COVID-19 testing kits to test myself and some of my co-workers to see if we've ever been infected and subsequently have antibodies. The tests I bought only have the emergency FDA approval, which means they haven't been verified thoroughly by the FDA, but as far as I know only one company has said verification, and I'm unable to buy test kits from them as they don't sell them to individuals. The kits I did buy are only able to be sold to health care providers, so even they aren't fully available to the average Joe.

Anyway, we've had two or our doctors become sick. Both have recovered and are back to work.

Hopefully our society has some long lasting changes after this is all over. Not only to be better prepared for the next outbreak of whatever comes, but also with an eye more focused on what is really important in life. We will certainly have plenty of time to reflect on that in the meantime.
 
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I work in the Emergency Room as an RN and not too much has changed for us. My wife is an RN as well, but she's still on maternity leave (we had our 2nd child in Feb). We both work night shifts.

Being on the west coast it doesn't seem like we are hit nearly as hard as NY, in terms of COVID-19 related cases. Some food for thought, the virus related deaths in NY State account for almost half of the deaths in our entire country when talking about this virus. Nobody in America has it nearly as bad as NYC.

I've been contacted by multiple nurse travel agencies to get me to come to NYC. They aren't offering as much pay to do so as I thought they would; regardless, there's no way I'd leave my family for that. We don't have any other family in our state, so both me and my wife work opposite schedules (night shift for both of us, that is, we essentially work one week on and one week off, so one of us will be working while the other is essentially a single parent for that time).

Well even if you're not busy, you're doing the good work. I'm a lawyer that represents healthcare providers, so my physician-clients are basically split into 2 camps. The ones that do a lot of elective procedures and office-based work are struggling because all the elective procedures have been cancelled to make room for COVID patients, and people are cancelling their regular appointments. The hospital-based physicians, on the other hand, are nuts because they're at ground zero. It's definitely straining the system here, and on top of that, they're estimating that on days where there are 700-800 confirmed deaths in hospitals, another 100-200 people are dying in their homes. It's crazy.

My sister-in-law is an infectious disease physician who works for NIAID (Dr. Fauci is her boss), and the inside take is that it will be 2-3 weeks from now before they can even make a reasonable assessment of the situation and talk about relaxing the restrictions. She's also been contacted by staffing agencies and asked if she wants to do some per diem hospital work (since ID physicians are suddenly in extremely high demand). She was offered $75,000 PER MONTH (!!!) to do so. They're also doing clinical trials on vaccines, which I think are taking place in your next of the woods in Washington.

Hang in there everyone!
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To think people are dying at home with no anesthesia is very sad. My understanding of this virus is that you basically suffocate? Terrible.
 
My niece called me after working three weeks straight, 21 12 hour shifts at Harbourview hospital, a major teaching hospital in downtown Seattle. She has been ER for 20+ years but for this period she is in a new position. Admissions must be transferred to in-hospital location based on criteria: COVID positive with symptoms, suspected COVID, conventional hospitalization issues (heart, trauma, gunshot, etc) with unknown COVID status, and a few others. All are to be separated from the others. She handles tracking those transfers plus supplies tracking to the various areas. Without visitors, reduced support staff, no med students, no RN students or other trainees or volunteers, the halls are nearly empty. Residents accompany attending MD but do not enter rooms. They handle problem solving in the hallway and discuss procedure but never in any patient room. All patients are considered potential disease vectors, she said. Limited PPE as Todd said. She works longer hours since she is not direct patient care for this period.
Many empty patient rooms since so many procedures are delayed, transferred to one-day surgery, satellite locations and other triage solutions to defer for the time being. Cafeteria is closed except for a few hours each day. A vastly different environment. She called me from her car as she was out for a daytime drive to see something of the world for the first time in three weeks. She had not seen any news for 21 days. Work, commute, eat, sleep, repeat.
Edit: she is single and lives alone thus her ability to adapt to this situation.
 
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I work in the Emergency Room as an RN and not too much has changed for us. My wife is an RN as well, but she's still on maternity leave (we had our 2nd child in Feb). We both work night shifts.

Being on the west coast it doesn't seem like we are hit nearly as hard as NY, in terms of COVID-19 related cases. Some food for thought, the virus related deaths in NY State account for almost half of the deaths in our entire country when talking about this virus. Nobody in America has it nearly as bad as NYC.

I've been contacted by multiple nurse travel agencies to get me to come to NYC. They aren't offering as much pay to do so as I thought they would; regardless, there's no way I'd leave my family for that. We don't have any other family in our state, so both me and my wife work opposite schedules (night shift for both of us, that is, we essentially work one week on and one week off, so one of us will be working while the other is essentially a single parent for that time).

Anyway, in my ER we've seen a number of potentially positive patients, but, our hospital system (and state) are still very limited on testing capacity. That said, we've discharged a number of patients who are most likely COVID-19 positive, but we don't know for sure because they don't meet qualifications to test them. The last time I looked at our numbers, I believe we had admitted close to 30 patients total that ended up being COVID-19 positive, and only one died. Our state's health authority (OHA) is now posting general information on the deaths associated with the virus.. When I looked yesterday I believe our death toll was at 44. Almost every single one of them had underlying health issues. Unfortunately, due to HIPPA, they can't disclose exactly how many and what kind of health issues these people had, but if it's anything like the people we've hospitalized at our hospital, then they've most likely had been in very poor health to begin with. Examples include (from patients I've seen hospitalized at my hospital) poorly managed diabetes, kidney failure, COPD, CHF, multiple cardiac stents and even bypass procedures done, along with a sedentary lifestyle and obesity.

Of course the above information is not based entirely on objective, statistical information; but, we can still see some basic trends. First, it doesn't seem like age, in and of itself, is a major factor. Is it a factor at all? I'm sure it is! But is a death sentence if you're old and become infected? Absolutely not. Second, virtually all deaths, at least in my state, have had at least one major underlying health problem to begin with. Some are very unhealthy in general, while others probably were relatively healthy but just had other problems, like a very weak immune system due to an organ transplant, or are having ongoing cancer treatment, etc.

Another interesting thing that my wife and I were discussing today is something our state government said. Kate Brown, Governor, recently stated that Oregon will only release the lock down/stay at home order when there have been zero COVID-19 related deaths for 10 consecutive days....

....I don't agree (neither does my wife) with her views on this. AFAIK, COVID-19 related deaths only means that someone has passed away, WHILE having tested positive for the virus. This doesn't necessarily mean that the virus itself caused their death (though I'm sure for the vast majority of cases it probably did), but more importantly, this is an unrealistic goal! People WILL die while being infected with this virus no matter what kind of social isolation is implemented. The only real hope for immunity is if at least half the population becomes infected at one time or another, so that we can build herd immunity, and/or a viable vaccination is produced (which won't happen for AT LEAST one year, bare minimum). On top of this, our state alone has a yearly death rate of over 37,000 in general - there is NO way that we will have 10 days of nobody dying that hasn't tested positive for COVID-19.

In my opinion, legislation like Kate Brown's will begin to put more and more strain on both local businesses, and even some large businesses. I think that the "solution" may end up causing more harm than the problem if it goes on for too long.


Anyway, going back to our personal lives. I do worry about becoming infected, not so much for my own wellbeing, but for my family's. My daughter is only 3.5 years old, and my son is only 2 months. So far, all of the data I've seen shows that my kids would be okay, as there haven't been any hospitalizations in my state for infants, or even pediatrics under 5 years old (last I checked, at least). But still, it would be very difficult to take care of my family if we got sick, primarily due to my and my wife's work schedule. We'd have to call in sick, but I am out of sick hours because I used it all up in order to afford paternity leave (Oregon does not offer paid leave for fathers).

At work my co-workers and I are all fastidious in keeping our work stations clean with antiviral wipes, along with donning and doffing PPE appropriately; but, we are getting very low on PPE, so we must re-use masks in-between patients. I use the same N95 mask for my entire shift, due to our hospital's ever changing policies on the matter. Keep in mind that these masks are supposed to be one time use, disposable masks. On top of that, no matter how perfectly you do what it takes to avoid transferring the virus somehow, you WILL miss something. 13 hours each night of constantly being weary of potential vectors for transmission is plenty of time to make mistakes.

So far I have not become sick, as far as I know. I can't even remember the last time I had a fever. Even so, I ordered a set of IGG COVID-19 testing kits to test myself and some of my co-workers to see if we've ever been infected and subsequently have antibodies. The tests I bought only have the emergency FDA approval, which means they haven't been verified thoroughly by the FDA, but as far as I know only one company has said verification, and I'm unable to buy test kits from them as they don't sell them to individuals. The kits I did buy are only able to be sold to health care providers, so even they aren't fully available to the average Joe.

Anyway, we've had two or our doctors become sick. Both have recovered and are back to work.

Hopefully our society has some long lasting changes after this is all over. Not only to be better prepared for the next outbreak of whatever comes, but also with an eye more focused on what is really important in life. We will certainly have plenty of time to reflect on that in the meantime.
Appreciate the insight from you and your wife who are in the trenches fighting the fight...stay safe and healthy
 
Struggling to separate work stress and home stress since I’m working from home.
THIS. I'm not used to having work stress at home. It is an adjustment, one I really don't want to make.

But so far so good in Dallas, TX.
 
To think people are dying at home with no anesthesia is very sad. My understanding of this virus is that you basically suffocate? Terrible.

I don't know the manner of death, but I hope its not that bad. They can infer a lot of people are dying at home because in a normal day in NYC it's like 20-30, these days 150-200. Smh...
 
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