Driving Automation

[samstone]

Hello All... now that some vehicles have become mostly autonomous (specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all), just curious if there is a "work around" for this in the GV80. The alert is annoying. I flew airplanes for 40 years and completely get (and want) hands free. Anyone figure this out yet?

Thanks...

 

[EdP]

Hello All... now that some vehicles have become mostly autonomous (specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all), just curious if there is a "work around" for this in the GV80. The alert is annoying. I flew airplanes for 40 years and completely get (and want) hands free. Anyone figure this out yet?

Thanks...

I certainly hope not as the Genesis is not capable yet of true hands free driving. If you test it under other than straight road it is not as capable as it should be. I've gone around curves with one wheel on the yellow line that would be a collision course to a car even close coming the other way. Airplanes have a bit more drift room than interstate lanes.

Not sure if it is available for the GV yet but there is an add on that is supposed to work, Open something that was mentioned here a few months back.

 

[BillZ]

Hello All... now that some vehicles have become mostly autonomous (specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all), just curious if there is a "work around" for this in the GV80. The alert is annoying. I flew airplanes for 40 years and completely get (and want) hands free. Anyone figure this out yet?

Thanks...

Please tell us what area you're driving in so that I can avoid it.

 

[Speeder]

Hello All... now that some vehicles have become mostly autonomous (specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all), just curious if there is a "work around" for this in the GV80. The alert is annoying. I flew airplanes for 40 years and completely get (and want) hands free. Anyone figure this out yet?

Thanks...

It's known as a Chauffeur.

 

[amazonman]

I certainly hope not as the Genesis is not capable yet of true hands free driving. If you test it under other than straight road it is not as capable as it should be. I've gone around curves with one wheel on the yellow line that would be a collision course to a car even close coming the other way. Airplanes have a bit more drift room than interstate lanes.

Not sure if it is available for the GV yet but there is an add on that is supposed to work, Open something that was mentioned here a few months back.

Perhaps his 2021 gv80 has a better system than your 2018 G80. The new systems track extremely well. You dont need your hands on the wheel on the highway. The requirement is a CYA by car manufactures to avoid litigation. If not having your hands on the wheel was a true safety concern the system would disengage the moment you remove your hands not 60 seconds later.

 

[EdP]

Perhaps his 2021 gv80 has a better system than your 2018 G80. The new systems track extremely well. You dont need your hands on the wheel on the highway. The requirement is a CYA by car manufactures to avoid litigation. If not having your hands on the wheel was a true safety concern the system would disengage the moment you remove your hands not 60 seconds later.

If it was NOT a safety concern it would be a legal level 3 or higher, It is meant as a temporary assist, not hands free. Hacking it is still illegal.

 

[amazonman]

If it was NOT a safety concern it would be a legal level 3 or higher, It is meant as a temporary assist, not hands free. Hacking it is still illegal.

Its not hands free because they want you to always be alert for emergency situations and dont want you to think you can stop looking out on the road as the system is not that advanced. The system would operate just fine with no hands on the wheel. Its not a temporary assist. You can drive with it on for hours but for they automatic disengagement after 60 seconds or so with no hands on the wheel. Pray tell what law one would be violating by hacking the system?
Again, lets apply some logic, if it is dangerous to not have your hands on the wheel, why allow 60 seconds? if 60 seconds are ok why not an hour?

 

[EdP]

Its not hands free because they want you to always be alert for emergency situations and dont want you to think you can stop looking out on the road as the system is not that advanced. The system would operate just fine with no hands on the wheel. Its not a temporary assist. You can drive with it on for hours but for they automatic disengagement after 60 seconds or so with no hands on the wheel. Pray tell what law one would be violating by hacking the system?
Again, lets apply some logic, if it is dangerous to not have your hands on the wheel, why allow 60 seconds? if 60 seconds are ok why not an hour?

Show us. You are making statements so you must have some support for them. Specifications? Testing? Certifications?

Assume for the moment you may be correct but you get into an accident, even if not your fault. What is your defense? Some guy in an internet forum said it would work.

Just prove your logic.

 

[amazonman]

Show us. You are making statements so you must have some support for them. Specifications? Testing? Certifications?

Assume for the moment you may be correct but you get into an accident, even if not your fault. What is your defense? Some guy in an internet forum said it would work.

Just prove your logic.

Support for what exactly? You're the one who lied and said it would be illegal to modify it yet you can't cite a single law. I know the system can easily keep driving for hours on the highway without my hand on the steering wheel. I know this because I tested it on my gv70. I touched the steering wheel lightly every minute or so otherwise my hands are off and it does just fine I don't correct any input when I touch the steering wheel I just do it to turn off the nanny.


If you get into an accident, and the other driver did not cause it, it would be your fault there would be no defense just like if you were in an accident without the system. For that matter if you get into an accident with the system on and your hands on the wheel it's your fault as well. Same would applied if you got into an accident with the system on but your hands off the wheel during the time it allows you to keep your hands off the wheel before disengaging. What are you getting at?

 

[EdP]

Support for what exactly? You're the one who lied and said it would be illegal to modify it yet you can't cite a single law. I know the system can easily keep driving for hours on the highway without my hand on the steering wheel. I know this because I tested it on my gv70. I touched the steering wheel lightly every minute or so otherwise my hands are off and it does just fine I don't correct any input when I touch the steering wheel I just do it to turn off the nanny.


If you get into an accident, and the other driver did not cause it, it would be your fault there would be no defense just like if you were in an accident without the system. For that matter if you get into an accident with the system on and your hands on the wheel it's your fault as well. Same would applied if you got into an accident with the system on but your hands off the wheel during the time it allows you to keep your hands off the wheel before disengaging. What are you getting at?

The present system is not authorized or deemed by the manufacturer to be capable of autonomous driving. Unless it is. driving hands free would be interpreted by existing state laws to be distracted, reckless, etc. as defined by that state.

You offer conjecture. Show the world you are right. You offer one anecdotal time, not quite a statistic or evidence. I did the same as you and found limitations. Prove yours does not have them. Back up your statement with FACTS. I asked by you have declined so far.

You can argue, twist, agitate, but FACTS matters. Just show them it meet level 3 or better.

I did offer that there is an available add-on for at least some Genesis models but have no experience.

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[amazonman]

The present system is not authorized or deemed by the manufacturer to be capable of autonomous driving. Unless it is. driving hands free would be interpreted by existing state laws to be distracted, reckless, etc. as defined by that state.

You offer conjecture. Show the world you are right. You offer one anecdotal time, not quite a statistic or evidence. I did the same as you and found limitations. Prove yours does not have them. Back up your statement with FACTS. I asked by you have declined so far.

You can argue, twist, agitate, but FACTS matters. Just show them it meet level 3 or better.

I did offer that there is an available add-on for at least some Genesis models but have no experience.

He is not using it for autonomous driving in the sense you imply he said "specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all)". Again, another symptom of your poor reading comprehension.
Current state law in all states interprets essentially any accident that is your fault as careless. Again, the issue is not driving hands free, its driving in a manner that may cause an accident, ie- not paying attention. If driving hands free would be interpreted as reckless, then why is it not reckless for the first 60 seconds. Please answer that specific question in your anticipated convoluted response.
I have back up my statements with common sense. The system does not disengage for 60 seconds or MORE. Logic (I know this is foreign to you) dictates that the vehicle does not know if this 60 seconds is somehow more "Reckless" than any other time period. So why not 300 seconds, or 3000 seconds? Answer this question as well.

The new genesis models dont over any add ons. As part of the different packages you either get highway assist I or II. Either one is capable of driving for hundreds of miles on a highway with no hands on the wheel but for the CYA safety function. Its accurate and stable you dont have to enter corrections, but if you do, simply grab the wheel. Its really that easy. Your experience in your outdated 4 year old vehicle notwithstanding. Even in your car, it would be a non issue to grab the wheel when the car veers out of your lane of travel. There is no technical need to keep holding the wheel.

 

[EdP]

He is not using it for autonomous driving in the sense you imply he said "specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all)". Again, another symptom of your poor reading comprehension.

No hands on the wheel. Autonomous driving level 3. Show me how Genesis meets the standard and authorizes it. Simple question you keep evading.

Levels of Autonomous Driving, Explained

As self-driving vehicles move from science fiction to reality, automakers are poised to make critical advancements in this area over the next decade. However, consumers are confused about what constitutes self-driving vehicle technology and what does not.

www.jdpower.com

You made a statement, offer some proof. Why evade it.

 

[amazonman]

No hands on the wheel. Autonomous driving level 3. Show me how Genesis meets the standard and authorizes it. Simple question you keep evading.

Levels of Autonomous Driving, Explained

As self-driving vehicles move from science fiction to reality, automakers are poised to make critical advancements in this area over the next decade. However, consumers are confused about what constitutes self-driving vehicle technology and what does not.

www.jdpower.com

You made a statement, offer some proof. Why evade it.

Try again to explain what you want proof of. You are very unclear. No hands on wheel is not Autonomus level 3. It is LEVEL 2. You are messing up on basic facts. The JD article is simply stating that the Genesis requires the hands on the wheel but that is NOT the definition of level 2.
Here is the SAE definition. The OP is certainly not asking for level 3.

SAE clarifies autonomous driving level definitions

The SAE releases a revision to the famous "6 levels of automated driving" graphic, to refine the limits of current driver support features.

www.therobotreport.com

 

[EdP]

Try again to explain what you want proof of. You are very unclear. No hands on wheel is not Autonomus level 3. It is LEVEL 2. You are messing up on basic facts. The JD article is simply stating that the Genesis requires the hands on the wheel but that is NOT the definition of level 2.
Here is the SAE definition. The OP is certainly not asking for level 3.

SAE clarifies autonomous driving level definitions

The SAE releases a revision to the famous "6 levels of automated driving" graphic, to refine the limits of current driver support features.

www.therobotreport.com

Get Genesis to change their definition and requirement.
An example of Level 2 driving automation is Highway Driving Assist, installed in Genesis, Hyundai, and Kia vehicles. It requires the driver to have her hands on the steering wheel but actively steers, accelerates, and brakes the vehicle when traveling on highways.

If someone publishes a work around here you can be pretty sure some with older versions will do it too.

The smart thing to do is buy the system that can be adapted. OpenPilot, IIRC.

 

[amazonman]

Get Genesis to change their definition and requirement.
An example of Level 2 driving automation is Highway Driving Assist, installed in Genesis, Hyundai, and Kia vehicles. It requires the driver to have her hands on the steering wheel but actively steers, accelerates, and brakes the vehicle when traveling on highways.

If someone publishes a work around here you can be pretty sure some with older versions will do it too.

The smart thing to do is buy the system that can be adapted. OpenPilot, IIRC.

You are conflating two things (not unexpected on your part). Genesis is not saying that this system is level 2. Level 2 definitions are set by SAE and do not require hands on wheel - this is fact as I linked to it. Genesis requires the hands on the wheel as I explained in the first post to cover themselves. I they explained the logic - yet you have not responded to my questions - this was expected because you are unable to, as any response on your part would defy logic. More over, it is JD who provided the example, and while the genesis system does in fact fit within the level 2 definition, so would the exact same system that did NOT require hands on the wheel. Level 3 is much more robust - see my link. It is clear that you are confused - again not unexpected.

 

[EdP]

You are conflating two things (not unexpected on your part). Genesis is not saying that this system is level 2. Level 2 definitions are set by SAE and do not require hands on wheel - this is fact as I linked to it. Genesis requires the hands on the wheel as I explained in the first post to cover themselves. I they explained the logic - yet you have not responded to my questions - this was expected because you are unable to, as any response on your part would defy logic. More over, it is JD who provided the example, and while the genesis system does in fact fit within the level 2 definition, so would the exact same system that did NOT require hands on the wheel. Level 3 is much more robust - see my link. It is clear that you are confused - again not unexpected.

I never should have engaged with you. You are incapable of a mature discussion without personal attacks. You never answered by questions either.
Get back to me when you mature, meantime, this is not the place for your silly digs so I won't annoy everyone here and respond to you .

Oh, the simple answer you also did not comment - - - OpenPilot

 

[samstone]

Sorry I created such a hornet's nest folks...

 

[EdP]

Sorry I created such a hornet's nest folks...

Not you.

 

[amazonman]

I never should have engaged with you. You are incapable of a mature discussion without personal attacks. You never answered by questions either.
Get back to me when you mature, meantime, this is not the place for your silly digs so I won't annoy everyone here and respond to you .

Oh, the simple answer you also did not comment - - - OpenPilot

I responded to every one of your questions logically. You failed to even attempt the same. Low IQ.

 

[nodenwire]

Hello All... now that some vehicles have become mostly autonomous (specifically, not having to have your hands on the wheel at all), just curious if there is a "work around" for this in the GV80. The alert is annoying. I flew airplanes for 40 years and completely get (and want) hands free. Anyone figure this out yet?

Thanks...

Install Comma AI OpenPilot hardware which can be integrated with stock sensors and systems.

Comma openpilot is an open source driver-assistance system. Currently, openpilot performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Automated Lane Centering (ALC) for compatible vehicles. It performs similarly to Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise. OpenPilot can steer, accelerate, and brake automatically for other vehicles within its lane.