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Engine won't start

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Engine won't start. Did this a few days ago and finally started. Again today wouldn't start, finally got instrumentation lights to come on and then finally started. Back home and won't start again. One time door was closed and it started.
 
Have codes read. Check battery and connections in trunk and ground to floor of trunk. Check the crankshaft position sensor.
 
Also check the battery in key fob. It may need a new push start button. Your description "Again today wouldn't start, finally got instrumentation lights to come on and then finally started." sounds like the push button is dying. Easy fix, no reprogramming required. Just remember to disconnect the battery BEFORE unhooking the old push button so you don't trip the immobilizer.
 
Next few times you try starting, notice the car reaction step-by-step:
1: do the normal interior/door/dome lights illuminate when the door is opened?
2: without pressing the brake pedal, push the START button twice. Does the instrument panel illuminate?
3: Now hold the brake pedal down and press START. Did the engine try to start normally?

If the answer to 1 and 2 is "no" then the bug is likely poor connections at the battery. Slamming doors or the trunk lid is often enough to get flaky connections to touch enough to make the car start. Aftermarket replacement batteries often have posts a little smaller in diameter compared to the factory battery so the wire clamps don't grip tightly enough even when the adjustment screw is bottomed out. Loosening the adjustment screw a bit and really shoving the clamp down, onto the battery, and then tightening the screw may help (force the clamp further down the tapered post); inserting a piece of thin metal as a shim between the battery post and the wire clamp can help too. Also, follow the negative (black) wire to where it attaches to the floor of the car - this is the primary ground point and if that screw is loose or the wire end is corroded the ground will be intermittent.

If the answer to 1 and 2 is "yes" but 3 is still a "no" then I would suspect an issue with the brake pedal switch (i.e. it is not realizing you are pressing the pedal) or the transmission park/neutral safety switch isn't seeing the shift lever in Park or Neutral so the engine is inhibited from starting - a safety thing. Push really hard on the brake pedal and try starting. Still nothing? With the dash instruments still lit up, push the brake pedal and shift from Park into Neutral and try starting... or go Park - Neutral - Park and try starting again. Pushing the shift lever fully forwards helps on some cars when the safety switch is somewhat mis-installed or is loose. The vehicle immobilizer might have triggered as well; try pressing the key fob unlock button twice and then try re-starting. Put the key in the dash slot (under the nav/stereo unit on early model year cars) or hold it against the START button (later model years) and try starting... if that works, the car is not "seeing" the key via the normal transponder mode; using the slot/holding it to the button uses the backup RFID mode. That bug can mean a bad battery in the fob (it won't lock/unlock the car from 20+ feet away if this is the case) or problems with the in-car fob detection receiver. On my 2009, hitting START when the fob is not detected generates an error message on the insturment cluster - do you see any error messages?

When you press the brake pedal while trying to start, how far does it move? Normally it depresses at least half an inch with moderate pedal forces but, if the car has been sitting a long time or the vacuum assist has bled off from the power brake booster, the pedal will be MUCH harder to push. In that case, you may not be pushing it far enough to actually trigger the switch that tells the computer "brake pedal is pushed" so the engine won't start - all that'll happen is the instrument panel will illuminate. An improperly adjusted brake switch can cause this too... and since many Genesis owners had that switch replaced recently from the recall there is a chance it isn't adjusted quite right. Mine wasn't - it was in too far actually so the car thought the brake pedal was still being pushed after I got out of the car: the rear brake lights were lit! Lifting the pedal slightly turned off the lights; I loosened the lock nuts on the switch assembly and backed it out slightly to fix the issue.

mike c.
 
Thanks so much for writing this!! It helped! I kept the brake pushed while in “on” then went to neutral and tried starting again and it started! So what is it that needs to be fixed?


Next few times you try starting, notice the car reaction step-by-step:
1: do the normal interior/door/dome lights illuminate when the door is opened?
2: without pressing the brake pedal, push the START button twice. Does the instrument panel illuminate?
3: Now hold the brake pedal down and press START. Did the engine try to start normally?

If the answer to 1 and 2 is "no" then the bug is likely poor connections at the battery. Slamming doors or the trunk lid is often enough to get flaky connections to touch enough to make the car start. Aftermarket replacement batteries often have posts a little smaller in diameter compared to the factory battery so the wire clamps don't grip tightly enough even when the adjustment screw is bottomed out. Loosening the adjustment screw a bit and really shoving the clamp down, onto the battery, and then tightening the screw may help (force the clamp further down the tapered post); inserting a piece of thin metal as a shim between the battery post and the wire clamp can help too. Also, follow the negative (black) wire to where it attaches to the floor of the car - this is the primary ground point and if that screw is loose or the wire end is corroded the ground will be intermittent.

If the answer to 1 and 2 is "yes" but 3 is still a "no" then I would suspect an issue with the brake pedal switch (i.e. it is not realizing you are pressing the pedal) or the transmission park/neutral safety switch isn't seeing the shift lever in Park or Neutral so the engine is inhibited from starting - a safety thing. Push really hard on the brake pedal and try starting. Still nothing? With the dash instruments still lit up, push the brake pedal and shift from Park into Neutral and try starting... or go Park - Neutral - Park and try starting again. Pushing the shift lever fully forwards helps on some cars when the safety switch is somewhat mis-installed or is loose. The vehicle immobilizer might have triggered as well; try pressing the key fob unlock button twice and then try re-starting. Put the key in the dash slot (under the nav/stereo unit on early model year cars) or hold it against the START button (later model years) and try starting... if that works, the car is not "seeing" the key via the normal transponder mode; using the slot/holding it to the button uses the backup RFID mode. That bug can mean a bad battery in the fob (it won't lock/unlock the car from 20+ feet away if this is the case) or problems with the in-car fob detection receiver. On my 2009, hitting START when the fob is not detected generates an error message on the insturment cluster - do you see any error messages?

When you press the brake pedal while trying to start, how far does it move? Normally it depresses at least half an inch with moderate pedal forces but, if the car has been sitting a long time or the vacuum assist has bled off from the power brake booster, the pedal will be MUCH harder to push. In that case, you may not be pushing it far enough to actually trigger the switch that tells the computer "brake pedal is pushed" so the engine won't start - all that'll happen is the instrument panel will illuminate. An improperly adjusted brake switch can cause this too... and since many Genesis owners had that switch replaced recently from the recall there is a chance it isn't adjusted quite right. Mine wasn't - it was in too far actually so the car thought the brake pedal was still being pushed after I got out of the car: the rear brake lights were lit! Lifting the pedal slightly turned off the lights; I loosened the lock nuts on the switch assembly and backed it out slightly to fix the issue.

mike c.
 
Did you get it fixed?
 
Had this similar issue last night again. Car wouldn't unlock so I used the key. The car wouldn't normally start said "No Key in Vehicle" so I touched the FOB to the push button and it started. Kept saying key wasn't in the vehicle for about a quarter mile. Drove about 1.5 hours and when I backed in the garage I shut the car off and it started right back up with FOB in my pocket. New batteries for the FOB's will be purchased today. I've had the vehicle battery since December 2017 so it might be the next purchase. Original battery replaced after June 2014 new car purchase went dead after 3.5 years.
 
Engine won't start. Did this a few days ago and finally started. Again today wouldn't start, finally got instrumentation lights to come on and then finally started. Back home and won't start again. One time door was closed and it started.
Pull ignition fuse out and put it back in.
 
I dont know who this might help but I came across this situation.

I dont know what causes it, but if you turn the car on and you see a car with a key in the icon, that will also give the same "no start, no crank, full battery" symptoms as described previously in other posts.

The solution was rather simple. If the car doesnt start while in park, shift to neutral and try it. I did it and it sparked right up like there was no issue.

I am assuming the icon with car and key in it, its yellow and above the speedometer, is an anti-theft mechanism and the solution before just overrides it.

I thank the people who posted before and I hope my contribution helps someone in the future.
 
I dont know who this might help but I came across this situation.

I dont know what causes it, but if you turn the car on and you see a car with a key in the icon, that will also give the same "no start, no crank, full battery" symptoms as described previously in other posts.

The solution was rather simple. If the car doesnt start while in park, shift to neutral and try it. I did it and it sparked right up like there was no issue.

I am assuming the icon with car and key in it, its yellow and above the speedometer, is an anti-theft mechanism and the solution before just overrides it.

I thank the people who posted before and I hope my contribution helps someone in the future.
I just bought a 2012 Hyundai Genesis at auction. Started right up for the delivery guys and even when it got here to take it off the trailer. As soon as I put gas and tried starting it again, no luck. Glad I read this forum because the trick with putting it into neutral worked great, I even cancelled my tow truck call! You guys rock!

Side note, what is the issue with the car than??? Trying to give this to the wife as a daily driver for work but she will kill me if i dont fix this first. Please help!
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Thanks so much for writing this!! It helped! I kept the brake pushed while in “on” then went to neutral and tried starting again and it started! So what is it that needs to be fixed?
I just bought a 2012 Hyundai Genesis at auction. Started right up for the delivery guys and even when it got here to take it off the trailer. As soon as I put gas and tried starting it again, no luck. Glad I read this forum because the trick with putting it into neutral worked great, I even cancelled my tow truck call! You guys rock!

Side note, what is the issue with the car than??? Trying to give this to the wife as a daily driver for work but she will kill me if i dont fix this first. Please help!
 
I am away from my manual atm, so here is general advice: If it starts in neutral but not in park, and there are no other issues, suspect the Park/Neutral safety switch.
 
I am away from my manual atm, so here is general advice: If it starts in neutral but not in park, and there are no other issues, suspect the Park/Neutral safety switch.
Yea theirs no other issues at all and no codes either. Ever since that day when I made the post, the car starts up perfectly fine in Park just likes it's supposed to do. Does that still mean it's the park/neutral switch? Or something else? Thank you so much for the reply btw!
 
Hi guys I could use some help. 2012 Genesis 3.8l Sedan power but not start. the dash light comes on but the gauges take about 30 seconds before they come on. I tested the battery just to be sure and tried jumping in before it was towed home. Once home I topped off the battery overnight and the next day I had the same issue. Has anyone had this issue?
 
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