Kia Cadenza

[PMCErnie]

The plot thickens. Kia's new Cadenza premium sedan is $35,900. Cousin of the Azera.

http://usat.ly/17ShWAG

 

[jnc2000]

FWD, with only a v6 - meh this is the K7 which has been overseas for a while... not appealing to me IMO. Nice show of tech - which I hope translates to a huge step up in the K9 / Genesis / Eqqus platforms.

 

[Jbo]

More like an Irish twin.

 

[PMCErnie]

A very good review of the new Cadenza. Funny, though, no mention of the Hyundai Azera.

http://mobile.philly.com/classifieds/cars/?wss=/philly/classifieds/cars&id=209410411&viewAll=y#more

 

[Aquineas]

To me it looks better than the Azera...

 

[Jbo]

It is the Azera!

 

[PMCErnie]

The Cadenza is 195" long; Azera is 193".

 

[Mark_888]

A very good review of the new Cadenza. Funny, though, no mention of the Hyundai Azera.

http://mobile.philly.com/classifieds/cars/?wss=/philly/classifieds/cars&id=209410411&viewAll=y#more

A lot of people are confused about the relationship between Hyundai and Kia. Even though Hyundai Motors owns 32.8% of Kia (as of June 2012), they function as two independent companies, except that they share certain technology and parts (especially engines, transmissions, etc). But they don't do everything the same, and they make their own decisions about many things. Often, the details of the cars are quite different because of these different decisions, and also because many parts are outsourced from 3rd party companies where no technology sharing between Hyundai and Kia even applies in those cases.

 

[Jbo]

The overall length is a function of the overhangs, look at the architecture, power trains, etc...then tell me what you think. HMC/KMC have been consolidating platforms since 2005.

 

[Mark_888]

The overall length is a function of the overhangs, look at the architecture, power trains, etc...then tell me what you think. HMC/KMC have been consolidating platforms since 2005.

What do you mean by "platform"? Do you mean frames?

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[Jbo]

Neither vehicle has a frame. They will have front subframe s, look at the wheel base, track etc

 

[mikec]

"Platform" is the auto industry word for what many folks think of as "frame" or "chassis" these days. Most passenger vehicles are built using "unit body" construction instead of a body-on-frame construction (like most pickups and moving vans); unit body is similar to aircraft fuselage construction: the bodywork is an integral part of the structural strength of the vehicle.

Generally the platform entails the stuff the engineers have to do a lot of work on (strength, engine & driveline & suspension mount points, crash structure, attach points for the windshield and roof structure) and is a big manufacturing expense being many welded/bonded panels and the associated tooling required to make/hold those panels. It typically does not include much visible from the exterior of the vehicle - i.e. styling. Ergo it's shared between several car models to spread the costs around.

mpc

 

[Jbo]

I think you will ind these two vehicles have near identical hard points.

 

[Mark_888]

I think you will ind these two vehicles have near identical hard points.

1. Near identical? If they weren't exactly identical, they wouldn't be the same platform.
2. A lot of cars from difference automakers have very similar dimensions.
3. Even if they did share uni-body technology, and same engines, transmissions, etc, the cars themselves can be quite different.

 

[Jbo]

Have it your way...what about Optima and Sonata...little brother of Azera/Cadenza?

 

[Mark_888]

Have it your way...what about Optima and Sonata...little brother of Azera/Cadenza?

Optima, Sonata, Accord, Camry, Altima, Mazda 6, etc all have a lot of similarities. Not sure what you are getting at. There are clearly defined market segments in the auto business and almost every manufacturer has an entry for each segment.

Obviously, because of the technology sharing between Hyundai and Kia (engines, transmissions, etc) there is going to be more similarities between Kia and Hyundai than the others, but still there is a fair amount of difference between them, and I am pretty sure they compete very vigorously against each other and don't coordinate their overall designs (as used to occur within certain GM brands and within Ford with the now defunct Mercury Division).

 

[Jbo]

Mark88,
Not to be rude, but you don't know what you don't know. Optima/Sonata are sisters under and in some measure in the skin. Cadenza/Azera are as well. Rio/Accent, Forte/ElantraVeloster has a Kia twin although not as sharp a roof line, nor three doors. Genesis and Kia K9 (not here yet) are as well. The SUVs share the components within and exterior shells. The Equis and Genesis coupe are unique to Hyundai in the US. With the exception of the upscale product, the cars are the same as well the SUVs. Badge engineering, very well done, but badge engineering none the less . Whom could they have learned it from...Ford, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan ,Honda come to mind.

 

[Mark_888]

Mark88,
Not to be rude, but you don't know what you don't know. Optima/Sonata are sisters under and in some measure in the skin. Cadenza/Azera are as well. Rio/Accent, Forte/ElantraVeloster has a Kia twin although not as sharp a roof line, nor three doors. Genesis and Kia K9 (not here yet) are as well. The SUVs share the components within and exterior shells. The Equis and Genesis coupe are unique to Hyundai in the US. With the exception of the upscale product, the cars are the same as well the SUVs. Badge engineering, very well done, but badge engineering none the less . Whom could they have learned it from...Ford, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan ,Honda come to mind.

We we have to agree to disagree. Obviously some similarities exist because they share some major components, but other than that they compete at arms length and don't share plans.

 

[Ruissimo]

Hyundai owns a minority share in Kia.

The two companies share engineering and development resources; clearly, this cost-savings keeps them competitive in the marketplace. However, they have separate sales, marketing and distribution organizations from one another.

And from some of the conversations/chats with HMA leadership in the past couple of years, Hyundai doesn't like to be thought of as Kia's cousin, or vice-versa. They treat Kia as a competitor in the marketplace.

That's my thoughts, anyway.

 

[Jbo]

All correct Russimano, but the two companies are marching toward 12 or so SHARED platforms...world wide a Kia gets the benefit of being a Hyundai...in some markets, like US , not all platforms will be built or imported or sold Genesis sedan and coupe; at present; are examples.