MY MOTOR DIED NEED SOME POSTIVE INPUT ON MY NEXT MOVE

[bigpapainscotia]

It;s has been a week since my motor died and i needed some time to think about posting this thread. So my car is a 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan 5.0 V-8. It only has 123.000km on it all of the oil changes were done at 6000km. The services that needed to be done was done . The dealer said that it would cost $40.000 for a new motor. Is this crazy or what. They said that the motor has to be built , because they can't find one anywhere. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do have an after market warranty that suppose to cover the engine , but I don't think that it will cover one that cost more than the car. I think that i might get a lawyer involved , because this could get messy . Tell me what you think ,please no rude or stupid comments only postive info is needed.

 

[EdP]

It;s has been a week since my motor died and i needed some time to think about posting this thread. So my car is a 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan 5.0 V-8. It only has 123.000km on it all of the oil changes were done at 6000km. The services that needed to be done was done . The dealer said that it would cost $40.000 for a new motor. Is this crazy or what. They said that the motor has to be built , because they can't find one anywhere. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do have an after market warranty that suppose to cover the engine , but I don't think that it will cover one that cost more than the car. I think that i might get a lawyer involved , because this could get messy . Tell me what you think ,please no rude or stupid comments only postive info is needed.

The price for a new one is just crazy, of course.

Dies is a rath loose term. Do you know what specifically went bad? Can it be rebuilt? What about a used, or a used rebuilt? That is very common. It has been years since I've had it done but short blocks were readily available on common engines, don't know about the 5.0.

Contact the warranty company. They hopefully have some experience and can help.

 

[bigpapainscotia]

The price for a new one is just crazy, of course.

Dies is a rath loose term. Do you know what specifically went bad? Can it be rebuilt? What about a used, or a used rebuilt? That is very common. It has been years since I've had it done but short blocks were readily available on common engines, don't know about the 5.0.

Contact the warranty company. They hopefully have some experience and can help.

They said that it was the short block and they could not find any. The 5.0 is not a common engine so they say. Hope the warranty will come good on this. But this could take one to two months.

 

[DaleNet]

Are you talking to the dealer? If so, will the warranty cover you going to an independent garage? You might find a better price going to an independent. Dealers can be quite expensive and may not look hard to find you a better value.

 

[bigpapainscotia]

Are you talking to the dealer? If so, will the warranty cover you going to an independent garage? You might find a better price going to an independent. Dealers can be quite expensive and may not look hard to find you a better value.

My car is at an independent garage right now. They did the first test on the car, and they are the ones that told me what I needed. They won't be able to do the job because they aren't equipped to do the work, so my car would end up going to the dealership for the work anyways.

 

[DaleNet]

Well, that bites. With it being a 2015 I thought you should get it fixed at an independent garage. Here in Florida, there are plenty that I think could do it, but I could be wrong. Good luck.

 

[carguy75]

It;s has been a week since my motor died and i needed some time to think about posting this thread. So my car is a 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan 5.0 V-8. It only has 123.000km on it all of the oil changes were done at 6000km. The services that needed to be done was done . The dealer said that it would cost $40.000 for a new motor. Is this crazy or what. They said that the motor has to be built , because they can't find one anywhere. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do have an after market warranty that suppose to cover the engine , but I don't think that it will cover one that cost more than the car. I think that i might get a lawyer involved , because this could get messy . Tell me what you think ,please no rude or stupid comments only postive info is needed.

What was the cause of the engine failure?

 

[Suburbazine]

If it sheds any light on the matter, I got the last 2015-2016 5.0 longblock available in North America in May of last year. There's literally none left unless a new wreck comes in to a salvage yard. Can't use any other year's Tau 5.0 either. I think Hyundai found mine in Alaska.

Mine failed due to a cam bearing kicking the bucket at about 85,000 miles.

Not a good situation to be in especially if they’re going to have to put a block together out of parts. Not sure where they'll find a block, though.

 

[carguy75]

If it sheds any light on the matter, I got the last 2015-2016 5.0 longblock available in North America in May of last year. There's literally none left unless a new wreck comes in to a salvage yard. Can't use any other year's Tau 5.0 either. I think Hyundai found mine in Alaska.

Mine failed due to a cam bearing kicking the bucket at about 85,000 miles.

Not a good situation to be in especially if they’re going to have to put a block together out of parts. Not sure where they'll find a block, though.

Interesting. A failed camshaft bearing? It sounds like it was caused by a problem due to lack of proper lubrication in the oil system. It may have nothing to do with anything related to your engine failure, but I always felt that the 5w-20 oil recommendation is bit too light for this engine. GDI engines tend to break down oil quickly( 3k miles) due to gasoline contamination due to direct injection. I always use the thicker oil recommended in the owners manual with GDI engine made by Hyundai/KIA to account for the decrease in viscosity as the oil ages.

I ran 5w-40 in my old 2014 KIA Optima 2.0T GDI engine and my BlackStone test had it around 5w-30 viscosity at about 3k miles. The oil cap called for 5w-30, but the owners manual allows 5w-40 for better protection in warmer climates. Therefore, my engine was still protected by the lowest recommended viscosity when I changed the old oil. I am sure that the 5w-30 oil would have been closer to 5w-20 during the same oil change interval; which would have just caused premature engine wear as the mileage climbs until a wear related internal engine failure.

The same is probably true for the 5.0 engine in the Genesis. It calls for 5w-20 on the oil cap, but allows for 5w-30 in warmer climates per the owners manual. I use only 5w-30 weight in my engine for better protection. 5w-20 is thinner and will be more fuel efficient, but I believe that it also allows the engine internals to wear prematurely. I bet 5w-20 oil is probably closer to a 5w-15 weight after about 4k miles; which is not good for the engine long term.

Time will tell if my theory is correct that I can get at-least 250k miles on this engine before an internal engine failure by using 5w-30 with 4k mile oil change intervals. Especially now since it is very hard to find replacement 5.0 engines it seems; keeping a high mileage one is tip top conditon is a must.

My advice would be to use the 5w-30 oil weight option from the oil chart in the owners manual in the 5.0 engine if long term reliability is the goal.

 

[carguy75]

Interesting. A failed camshaft bearing? It sounds like it was caused by a problem due to lack of proper lubrication in the oil system. It may have nothing to do with anything related to your engine failure, but I always felt that the 5w-20 oil recommendation is bit too light for this engine. GDI engines tend to break down oil quickly( 3k miles) due to gasoline contamination due to direct injection. I always use the thicker oil recommended in the owners manual with GDI engine made by Hyundai/KIA to account for the decrease in viscosity as the oil ages.

I ran 5w-40 in my old 2014 KIA Optima 2.0T GDI engine and my BlackStone test had it around 5w-30 viscosity at about 3k miles. The oil cap called for 5w-30, but the owners manual allows 5w-40 for better protection in warmer climates. Therefore, my engine was still protected by the lowest recommended viscosity when I changed the old oil. I am sure that the 5w-30 oil would have been closer to 5w-20 during the same oil change interval; which would have just caused premature engine wear as the mileage climbs until a wear related internal engine failure.

The same is probably true for the 5.0 engine in the Genesis. It calls for 5w-20 on the oil cap, but allows for 5w-30 in warmer climates per the owners manual. I use only 5w-30 weight in my engine for better protection. 5w-20 is thinner and will be more fuel efficient, but I believe that it also allows the engine internals to wear prematurely. I bet 5w-20 oil is probably closer to a 5w-15 weight after about 4k miles; which is not good for the engine long term.

Time will tell if my theory is correct that I can get at-least 250k miles on this engine before an internal engine failure by using 5w-30 with 4k mile oil change intervals. Especially now since it is very hard to find replacement 5.0 engines it seems; keeping a high mileage one is tip top conditon is a must.

My advice would be to use the 5w-30 oil weight option from the oil chart in the owners manual in the 5.0 engine if long term reliability is the goal.
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My old 2014 KIA Optima 2.0T GDI Blackstone test. My 5W-40 oil sheared down to a 5w-30 weight in only 3k miles.; hence why I just use the thicker oil option in my current 5.0 GDI engine.

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[Kyser_Soze]

It;s has been a week since my motor died and i needed some time to think about posting this thread. So my car is a 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan 5.0 V-8. It only has 123.000km on it all of the oil changes were done at 6000km. The services that needed to be done was done . The dealer said that it would cost $40.000 for a new motor. Is this crazy or what. They said that the motor has to be built , because they can't find one anywhere. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I do have an after market warranty that suppose to cover the engine , but I don't think that it will cover one that cost more than the car. I think that i might get a lawyer involved , because this could get messy . Tell me what you think ,please no rude or stupid comments only postive info is needed.

If it doesn't cover an engine more than the cost of the car, or replacement value of the car, maybe you can find a nice replacement car? With similar specs and mileage, of course, If so, make sure to get a warranty again!

 

[PMCErnie]

At this point I’d sell the car for parts. You’ve known that the 5.0 V8 was going scarce for a long time. Read some of your old posts.

Or, you could consider putting in a 3.8 engine. But then you’d still own a car that’s getting elderly. The transmission could die next.

Or, it might be time to pick up a new hybrid, or electric vehicle. Canada seems very keen on them.

Good luck!

 

[Kyser_Soze]

At this point I’d sell the car for parts. You’ve known that the 5.0 V8 was going scarce for a long time. Read some of your old posts.

Or, you could consider putting in a 3.8 engine. But then you’d still own a car that’s getting elderly. The transmission could die next.

Or, it might be time to pick up a new hybrid, or electric vehicle. Canada seems very keen on them.

Good luck!

That's an option. but he bought the warranty and hasn't contacted the warranty company yet. My message of replacing the car was meant with the warranty money. I'm not sure the warranty company will cash him out AND let him keep the car to sell for scrap.

He should know what he wants from the warranty company before contacting them. Then when he contacts them, if he gets it, he can accept it. If not, tell them what he wants and try to get it. If he still can't get what he wants, then it's time to get a lawyer.

 

[Gerry S]

The motor on my 2012 Genesis Sedan failed two weeks ago at 127000km. All service as per recommendations. Hyundai wants $16.5K Canadian for a replacement. The KBB value of the car (if running) is less than that. Interestingly BCAA tells me that motor failures are common in these cars. I can get a used motor with 77000 km for about $5K but haven't found anyone wanting to give me a price on installation. I'm really quite despondent as I LOVE the car.

 

[Kyser_Soze]

The motor on my 2012 Genesis Sedan failed two weeks ago at 127000km. All service as per recommendations. Hyundai wants $16.5K Canadian for a replacement. The KBB value of the car (if running) is less than that. Interestingly BCAA tells me that motor failures are common in these cars. I can get a used motor with 77000 km for about $5K but haven't found anyone wanting to give me a price on installation. I'm really quite despondent as I LOVE the car.

Wow! That's less than 80,000 miles! I have a little over 40,000 miles on my 2016 and figured I might not ever need another car, with the thought that modern cars go over twice the mileage you got.

 

[Suburbazine]

Wow! That's less than 80,000 miles! I have a little over 40,000 miles on my 2016 and figured I might not ever need another car, with the thought that modern cars go over twice the mileage you got.

I got 84,000 miles on my first engine.

 

[Husky]

It may be possible to rebuild the motor. Do they know for a fact that the block has been damaged (like a hole where a rod punched through)? Otherwise, saying "you need a new motor" seems hasty. Of course, if pistons or rods or cams, etc... are impossible to get as well, then you're still stuck.

 

[Husky]

This guy (I Do Cars) takes apart and sells engines of all sorts.