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[biofractal]

Hi. I just picked my new 2012 Genesis R-spec with 136k miles

Before buying the car, it was inspected my brother, who is a Master Mechanic at Firestone with over 15 years of experience. My question is related to the steering of the car. When I first test drove the car, it was pulling to the right slightly. My brother checked the alignment and said it was a bit off and performed an alignment on the car. Today driving back home after doing the paperwork and paying for the car, I noticed that the car still tend to pull very slightly to the right. The tires are in almost new conditions. The previous owner told me that this car is extremely sensitive when it comes with not rotating your tires on time and the car puling to the right, so he was on point doing his tire rotations.
Also, driving back home the same roads that I drive every day, it felt like the steering wheel was shaking "too much" while going over imperfections of the road, cracks, bumps etc. Maybe my 2013 ex-honda accord was doing the same and I never noticed it. But I'm asking because it go my attention. I think I will make a quick YouTube video and post it here for you to see. My brother check the car in great detail and the drive train is solid, no issues found.

Thanks for reading me out and your replies.

 

[huck2021]

Maybe other high mileage G70 owners can comment specifically, but this could be any number of issues.

I have a 2006 Mazda 6 3.0L V6 with 130K miles. That car has had pulling issues from time to time and a wobble under breaking. While the G70 is a very different car, the causes of such items is pretty consistent.

Some items to consider:

• Tire Pressure/Wear
• Suspension Issues
• Brake Issues

These are all sources of these problems. Tire pressures and wear should be easy to check. For the other items, pay attention to if the issue is more pronounced under braking or acceleration. My Mazda had a horrible wobble when lightly applying the brakes -- say from 60 to 40 on the highway. This was due to a warped rotor. Even when new, I had a pull to the left. That was due to an issue with a strut.

Don't underestimate small differences in tire pressures. Use a good gauge and check in the morning before you drive. I had a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE 060's the were super sensitive to pressure issues.

 

[sehguh1]

Best wishes on your new purchase, I am extremely pleased with my 2010 4.6L Sedan. I have 77K miles on it and it drives like it was new, no drift/pull and the car is flat out powerful. Hopefully you figure out the issue and get is solved permanently. Best of luck....

 

[Magreger_5.0]

I have a '13 R-SPEC with 54k miles. It is in fantastic condition....for what it's worth I do feel a little extra slight shutter in the "feedback" in the wheel while hitting rough roads/imperfections etc. Nothing major or any concern. I personally feel the car drives and handles great. I think it's also the R-spec with stiffer suspension and other changes, etc...Compared to other trims. Compared to Hondas and such like you mentioned this may feel quite a bit different. It's a good thing for feedback in the wheel and "feeling" spots and imperfections of the road. As long as you don't feel as if it's a major shutter or vibration I wouldn't worry. There could always something wrong but you have had it looked at in and out so go with that.

 

[OUsig]

Hi. I just picked my new 2012 Genesis R-spec with 136k miles

Before buying the car, it was inspected my brother, who is a Master Mechanic at Firestone with over 15 years of experience. My question is related to the steering of the car. When I first test drove the car, it was pulling to the right slightly. My brother checked the alignment and said it was a bit off. Today driving back home after doing the paperwork and paying for the car, I noticed that the car still tend to pull very slightly to the right. The tires are in almost new conditions. The previous owner told me that this car is extremely sensitive when it comes with not rotating your tires on time and the car puling to the right, so he was on point doing his tire rotations.
Also, driving back home the same roads that I drive every day, it felt like the steering wheel was shaking "too much" while going over imperfections of the road, cracks, bumps etc. Maybe my 2013 ex-honda accord was doing the same and I never noticed it. But I'm asking because it go my attention. I think I will make a quick YouTube video and post it here for you to see. My brother check the car in great detail and the drive train is solid, no issues found.

Thanks for reading me out and your replies.

Sounds like you are just sensitive after leaving the honda.
If the Genesis pulls then it very well could be the tires (depending the rotation history).
you should not feel any shakes for the most part. I would suggest you drive those same roads the next week or two and see if you feel the same through the steering.
my car is smooth and drives straight without any help.

 

[Gunkk]

Hi. I just picked my new 2012 Genesis R-spec with 136k miles

Before buying the car, it was inspected my brother, who is a Master Mechanic at Firestone with over 15 years of experience. My question is related to the steering of the car. When I first test drove the car, it was pulling to the right slightly. My brother checked the alignment and said it was a bit off. Today driving back home after doing the paperwork and paying for the car, I noticed that the car still tend to pull very slightly to the right. The tires are in almost new conditions. The previous owner told me that this car is extremely sensitive when it comes with not rotating your tires on time and the car puling to the right, so he was on point doing his tire rotations.
Also, driving back home the same roads that I drive every day, it felt like the steering wheel was shaking "too much" while going over imperfections of the road, cracks, bumps etc. Maybe my 2013 ex-honda accord was doing the same and I never noticed it. But I'm asking because it go my attention. I think I will make a quick YouTube video and post it here for you to see. My brother check the car in great detail and the drive train is solid, no issues found.

Thanks for reading me out and your replies.

Did your brother actually re-align it, or just check it?

 

[biofractal]

Did your brother actually re-align it, or just check it?

realign it.

 

[biofractal]

Sounds like you are just sensitive after leaving the honda.
If the Genesis pulls then it very well could be the tires (depending the rotation history).
you should not feel any shakes for the most part. I would suggest you drive those same roads the next week or two and see if you feel the same through the steering.
my car is smooth and drives straight without any help.

I will try to make a video like I mentioned. Yes, it is possible that i'm overthinking the movement of the steering wheel. A video will be absolutely explicit. Now, the previous owner made me believe that is a common "issue" with this cars being so sensitive to tire rotation and the car pulling a bit to one side.
I have only 37 miles driven on this car so far. After I register the car I will be able to drive it more and find out more.

 

[Gunkk]

FWIW...
Tramlining behavior in the Genesis is very sensitive to choice of tire. Certain brands (dunlap) are much worse with tramlining behavior than others (Michelin). Also make sure tire pressures are good.

But camber in our cars is not adjustable (i.e. you only get whatever play there is in the bolt holes), absent special camber bolts. So if you're on the negative end of the camber alignment spec, you'll be more prone to pulling and tramlining. My '12 is right at the negative limit, so it is prone to wear tires a bit unevenly if I don't stay on top of the rotation. But it handles great!

 

[PRINCE KEN]

FWIW...
Tramlining behavior in the Genesis is very sensitive to choice of tire. Certain brands (dunlap) are much worse with tramlining behavior than others (Michelin). Also make sure tire pressures are good.

But camber in our cars is not adjustable (i.e. you only get whatever play there is in the bolt holes), absent special camber bolts. So if you're on the negative end of the camber alignment spec, you'll be more prone to pulling and tramlining. My '12 is right at the negative limit, so it is prone to wear tires a bit unevenly if I don't stay on top of the rotation. But it handles great!

So Gunkk in other words are you are saying that we can't do all 4 wheel alignments on the R Spec Sedan but rather only front wheel and rotation on all 4 due to camber settings??

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[Gunkk]

Ahh right, sorry that wasn't clear. I meant FRONT camber is not adjustable. But REAR camber is indeed adjustable via a special camber bolt (requires special tool IIRC) at the inboard end of the lower control arm.

And yes you can do 4 wheel alignments, but some shops may not be able to do all the adjustments.

Camber adjustments are discussed on page 24 of the attached (from the 2012 BH manual).

 

[biofractal]

FWIW...
Tramlining behavior in the Genesis is very sensitive to choice of tire. Certain brands (dunlap) are much worse with tramlining behavior than others (Michelin). Also make sure tire pressures are good.

But camber in our cars is not adjustable (i.e. you only get whatever play there is in the bolt holes), absent special camber bolts. So if you're on the negative end of the camber alignment spec, you'll be more prone to pulling and tramlining. My '12 is right at the negative limit, so it is prone to wear tires a bit unevenly if I don't stay on top of the rotation. But it handles great!

seem like you know quite a bit of this....

 

[Gunkk]

Why do the old horse drawn carraiges have huge positive camber? To reduce tramlining in rutted dirt roads. Yeah, that and after 9-1/2 years of driving BH sedans I know how to make trouble. My weekend playtoy is a 2017 ZL1 so yeah


Also, R-specs have lower profile tires IIRC so will be more sensitive to road imperfections both in terms of NVH and feedback.


My '09 had dunlops when I bought it used from the original owner, who had upgraded the original horrible OEM dunlop SP Sport tires to a slightly better (but also horrible) dunlop SP sport 5000 IIRC. The tramlining was bad. Like pull you a foot into the next lane if you're not paying attention and countersteering bad. Those dunlops didn't last 15k miles and I replaced them with Michelin Pilot Super Sports for improved wet grip (Florida summers can get scary downpours, and I totalled my very first car hydroplaning in a downpour). Holy smokes! The MPSS were a game changer. Tramlining all but disappeared, and the wet grip was (and is) scary good. Two inch per hour downpour on I-75 at 70+ mph is no problem.

Fast forward 8 years.

My '12 developed a pull to the right toward the end of the last set of Pilot Super Sports about 18 months ago at 80k miles. The fronts were corded on the insides and 2/32nds on the outside when I replaced them, but not really an issue IMO since I had gotten nearly >30k miles out of the set (100% daily driver use). I initially thought it might be toe out, but the alignment shop showed me that it was camber. Adjusted what he could with the slop in the bolts, but the only real way to fix it properly is custom camber bolts. I actually like the improved cornering I get from negative camber, so I'm keeping it that way since the wear rate on the inside isn't excessive. I prefer road feedback, which is already numb enough with the heavier weight bias in the electric steering.

The modern equivalent of the Pilot Super Sport is the Pilot Sport 4S. Not cheap, but worth every penny.



YM as they say MV.

 

[biofractal]

Why do the old horse drawn carraiges have huge positive camber? To reduce tramlining in rutted dirt roads. Yeah, that and after 9-1/2 years of driving BH sedans I know how to make trouble. My weekend playtoy is a 2017 ZL1 so yeah


Also, R-specs have lower profile tires IIRC so will be more sensitive to road imperfections both in terms of NVH and feedback.


My '09 had dunlops when I bought it used from the original owner, who had upgraded the original horrible OEM dunlop SP Sport tires to a slightly better (but also horrible) dunlop SP sport 5000 IIRC. The tramlining was bad. Like pull you a foot into the next lane if you're not paying attention and countersteering bad. Those dunlops didn't last 15k miles and I replaced them with Michelin Pilot Super Sports for improved wet grip (Florida summers can get scary downpours, and I totalled my very first car hydroplaning in a downpour). Holy smokes! The MPSS were a game changer. Tramlining all but disappeared, and the wet grip was (and is) scary good. Two inch per hour downpour on I-75 at 70+ mph is no problem.

Fast forward 8 years.

My '12 developed a pull to the right toward the end of the last set of Pilot Super Sports about 18 months ago at 80k miles. The fronts were corded on the insides and 2/32nds on the outside when I replaced them, but not really an issue IMO since I had gotten nearly >30k miles out of the set (100% daily driver use). I initially thought it might be toe out, but the alignment shop showed me that it was camber. Adjusted what he could with the slop in the bolts, but the only real way to fix it properly is custom camber bolts. I actually like the improved cornering I get from negative camber, so I'm keeping it that way since the wear rate on the inside isn't excessive. I prefer road feedback, which is already numb enough with the heavier weight bias in the electric steering.

The modern equivalent of the Pilot Super Sport is the Pilot Sport 4S. Not cheap, but worth every penny.



YM as they say MV.

Thanks for the post..... where in Florida do you live? I will be moving to Port Saint Lucie this March. Maybe we can meet up...

 

[fjc2020]

Hi. I just picked my new 2012 Genesis R-spec with 136k miles

Before buying the car, it was inspected my brother, who is a Master Mechanic at Firestone with over 15 years of experience. My question is related to the steering of the car. When I first test drove the car, it was pulling to the right slightly. My brother checked the alignment and said it was a bit off and performed an alignment on the car. Today driving back home after doing the paperwork and paying for the car, I noticed that the car still tend to pull very slightly to the right. The tires are in almost new conditions. The previous owner told me that this car is extremely sensitive when it comes with not rotating your tires on time and the car puling to the right, so he was on point doing his tire rotations.
Also, driving back home the same roads that I drive every day, it felt like the steering wheel was shaking "too much" while going over imperfections of the road, cracks, bumps etc. Maybe my 2013 ex-honda accord was doing the same and I never noticed it. But I'm asking because it go my attention. I think I will make a quick YouTube video and post it here for you to see. My brother check the car in great detail and the drive train is solid, no issues found.

Thanks for reading me out and your replies.

Its a matter of luck. I bought for 10k a 2012 3.8 sedan, 80k miles.. needed a few cosmetic fixes, cheap, came from an Audi dealership in Coral Springs- FL. Ive had high end cars before, this guy floats in the sky. make sure you stay awake.