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[musher51]

I can't argue with you there, Mark. We're making essentially the same point. The contention that RWD is inadequate for winter driving is a perceptual (e.g. marketing) problem, not a factual one. And I'll concede, jmo, that there's a time and place for AWD/4WD (it's essential for the some of the places I take my dog truck), but I still contend that too many people dismiss RWD out-of-hand in winter climates, and they're effectively depriving themselves of the joys/benefits that only RWD can afford. It's easy to understand why younger people feel that way, but for those born in the 50s or earlier, they have short (or flawed) memories.

 

[YEH]

More "inside" information from YEH. It is great to have someone with such connections to Hyundai on our forum to keep us abreast of things coming in the future.

You seem to have a problem.

Again, I have absolutely NO connection to Hyundai and everything I stated is either of public record or deductions taken from said public record (i.e. - It's of public record that the next gen Genesis will launch in 2013; since it will launch in Korea first w/ the US launch, based on track record, being about 6 months later, it makes sense that the US launch will be in the latter half of 2013 or maybe even 2014 depending on the timetable of the Korean launch. And usually in these cases when an all new model is launched, Hyundai has a track record of making the MY the next year.)

Really, you need to get off this train that is going nowhere.

 

[Car Fan]

You seem to have a problem.

Again, I have absolutely NO connection to Hyundai and everything I stated is either of public record or deductions taken from said public record (i.e. - It's of public record that the next gen Genesis will launch in 2013; since it will launch in Korea first w/ the US launch, based on track record, being about 6 months later, it makes sense that the US launch will be in the latter half of 2013 or maybe even 2014 depending on the timetable of the Korean launch. And usually in these cases when an all new model is launched, Hyundai has a track record of making the MY the next year.)

Really, you need to get off this train that is going nowhere.

YEH, I think he has a mancrush on you.

 

[Cut-Throat]

As far as turning the Genesis into a AWD car. Here is my take.

I had a 99 Lexus GS300 - It was a near perfect RWD Car. - I bought a 2007 GS350. They added AWD, Shrunk the car to get better gas mileage, and basically ruined the car in the process. It is nowhere near as comfortable, roomy and reliable as my 99 GS300.

Adding AWD doesn't mean you get everything you have now plus AWD. It can get much worse. I just hope Hyundai Doesn't screw it up like Lexus did.

 

[Mark_888]

You seem to have a problem.

Again, I have absolutely NO connection to Hyundai and everything I stated is either of public record or deductions taken from said public record (i.e. - It's of public record that the next gen Genesis will launch in 2013; since it will launch in Korea first w/ the US launch, based on track record, being about 6 months later, it makes sense that the US launch will be in the latter half of 2013 or maybe even 2014 depending on the timetable of the Korean launch. And usually in these cases when an all new model is launched, Hyundai has a track record of making the MY the next year.)

Really, you need to get off this train that is going nowhere.

I am very disappointed since I assumed (and from the tone implicit in your many posts) that the information was actually from an authoritative source, and not just repeating unofficial information from the internet and subsequent "deductions." Thank you for clarifying the situation.

BTW, when are getting your own Genesis? Soon, I hope?

 

[Mark_888]

As far as turning the Genesis into a AWD car. Here is my take.

I had a 99 Lexus GS300 - It was a near perfect RWD Car. - I bought a 2007 GS350. They added AWD, Shrunk the car to get better gas mileage, and basically ruined the car in the process. It is nowhere near as comfortable, roomy and reliable as my 99 GS300.

Adding AWD doesn't mean you get everything you have now plus AWD. It can get much worse. I just hope Hyundai Doesn't screw it up like Lexus did.

Chances of shrinking the Genesis for AWD are probably nil (unless you are talking about interior space, but most RWD cars already have reduced the interior space for the drive shaft to the rear). Obviously, AWD will get a little less MPG.

Audi has AWD as an option on most of their cars and doesn't seem to hurt the ones without it. Same with cars like Acura TL.

 

[DominicJE]

I'm curious as to how much better can they make this car look? It's perfect looking right now with the 2012. I'm excited to see what design features they will be adding / changing. I just hope they don't change it to the point where it's ugly.

 

[nextcar]

I'm curious as to how much better can they make this car look? It's perfect looking right now with the 2012. I'm excited to see what design features they will be adding / changing. I just hope they don't change it to the point where it's ugly.

oh please get real. the 2012 genesis is rather plain looking for an upscale car, and is not as stylish as the european sedans such as E class, 5 series and A6.
i'm betting the redesign will be better, considering how nice the upcoming Azera is.

 

[Mark_888]

oh please get real. the 2012 genesis is rather plain looking for an upscale car, and is not as stylish as the european sedans such as E class, 5 series and A6.
i'm betting the redesign will be better, considering how nice the upcoming Azera is.

I agree with DominicJE, the Genesis looks great right now. There is a 50-50 chance they will ruin it in next design, especially if you look at the rest of the Hyundai line-up.

 

[Ruissimo]

I'm not waiting - I'm picking up a '12 R Spec. The way I see it... if they ruin it, I've got my new "classic 5.0". If they improve it, I'll use Hyundai's new residual value guarantee on my trade-in for the '14!

As for AWD and spaciousness... I know on my VW 4motion, the only difference is a smaller trunk (the rear wheel hardware pushes the trunk floor up a few inches and decreases the volume in the trunk - It also affected the rear seat -- no folding rear seat). Seeing as the current Genesis doesn't have that feature... not sure if it will in the next gen.

No one knows at this point.

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[Mark_888]

As for AWD and spaciousness... I know on my VW 4motion, the only difference is a smaller trunk (the rear wheel hardware pushes the trunk floor up a few inches and decreases the volume in the trunk - It also affected the rear seat -- no folding rear seat). Seeing as the current Genesis doesn't have that feature... not sure if it will in the next gen.

You are always going to loose some space when a FWD car is converted to AWD because of the drive shaft to the rear and the bigger rear differential. That is why FWD started in the first place (to make a smaller and lighter car with more interrior room).

However, if a car is already RWD (like the Genesis), it already has a driveshaft from transmission to rear differential. It might take a little exta room to convert to AWD, but not anywhere near as much addtional as converting FWD to AWD.

 

[YEH]

I am very disappointed since I assumed (and from the tone implicit in your many posts) that the information was actually from an authoritative source, and not just repeating unofficial information from the internet and subsequent "deductions." Thank you for clarifying the situation.

BTW, when are getting your own Genesis? Soon, I hope?

As authoritative as auto publications getting their information from Hyundai can be (not that they always get it right).

Funny, how you have no problem relying on some of them saying that the R-Spec's ride is unnecessarily harsh, and then exacerabate the issue by lacking the ability to deduct that it would be a gross generalization.

There's no need for these continued personal attacks; sorry if I disagreed w/ what you were telling other posters about the R-Spec's ride (based ony on "repeating unofficial information from the internet"), but I had a good basis for doing so.

If you want, you are free to try to back up your initial claim, but please refrain from attacks to my personage.

 

[YEH]

oh please get real. the 2012 genesis is rather plain looking for an upscale car, and is not as stylish as the european sedans such as E class, 5 series and A6.

i'm betting the redesign will be better, considering how nice the upcoming Azera is.

The E Class is a bit ugly up front and the side isn't better w/ that wedge shape.

From the side, the Genesis and 5 Series are similar, but I think Hyundai actually did a better job w/ the greenhouse w/ the Hofmeister kink.

Front-wise, the Genesis is only OK, but it is better than the BMW's current droopy-headlights/pig-snout front-end designs.

For the rear, the 5er takes it.

As for the new A6, I like the front and rear, but that curved roofline and greenhouse is a bit of a disappointment (couldn't Audi have changed that after how many years of using it? Not to mention other automakers like Ford w/ the 500).

Toss in the new Lexus GS w/ the Predator front and BMW-side and the overly bulbous Infiniti M and there really isn't a standout.

Based on what can be seen from the spyshots, I'd say that the Kia K9 has a real shot in being the looker of the bunch.

 

[Dragon64]

I'll never cease to be amazed at the intractable viewpoint held by so many regarding the unsuitability of RWD cars in winter conditions. Taken at face value, all cars must have been parked all winter long prior to the late 70s/early 80s (when 98+% of all vehicles were RWD).

If you <1> install good snow tires, and <2> know what you're doing, there's no reason to fear driving a RWD car in the winter. None. It's essentially all there was for the first six decades of automotive history, and technology improvements (ala ESC chips that constantly monitor oversteer, understeer, yaw, etc.) have only improved potential RWD traction control in recent years.

But it's apparent that nothing can be said, nor any evidence offered, that will change the minds of those that hold the view that you cannot navigate snowy or icy roads without AWD (or at least FWD). I guess I shouldn't let it bother me, as it's their loss (that is, giving up the joy of RWD and accepting the handling compromises implicit in AWD/FWD).

Amen brother

I've got Blizzak LM-60's on the R Spec

Winter doesn't frighten me one bit

All Wheel drive....... LOL

Don't care for it - never will

 

[Jimmmmbo!]

Amen brother

I've got Blizzak LM-60's on the R Spec

Winter doesn't frighten me one bit

All Wheel drive....... LOL

Don't care for it - never will

I don't know. I wouldn't kick a Carrera Turbo out of my garage ...

 

[Gambler]

Looks like 4WD will be coming soon for the Genesis. I hope it is optional. I am not a great fan/advocate of 4WD. In my opinion its limited advantages are not worth the extra cost, weight, complications and lower gas mileage. 4WD helps starting traction, but, again my opinion, does little to benefit handling or braking.
I grew up in Minnesota where snow-packed streets were present all winter. We used to laugh at "4 wheelers", saying the only advantage was you could drive 100 ft. further into the woods before becoming stuck.

4WD is not the same thing as AWD. The Genesis will be AWD, not 4WD. See this article for more info.