No Navigation Map Support for 2011-2013 Equus

[bhayes00]

I went to mapnsoft.com for a navigation map update on my 2011 Equus, but the only model years listed were 2014-16. I contacted the company who explained that the maps were unavailable due to a "radio manufacturer issue". However, they could not provide any details about the radio's manufacturer. I asked if a Genesis map would be compatible, but was told they are not. When I contacted my local Hyundai dealership for a map update, they apologized that no update was available for that model year. Has anyone else experienced this? Brian

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Update from MnSOFT: Unfortunately, none of the Genesis maps will work for any Equus. Please try again on our website on 30MAR18. I just got word that the update should be available for the 2011 Equus then. Version 11.5 was available for your vehicle last year and right now, they are finishing up version 12 for your vehicle. It will be a Dealer Install only update, meaning you must visit your local Hyundai dealership and ask them to purchase it and install it for you. If they have any questions about that, please have them call us at (888) 757-0010, we will be happy to explain the process to them. The price will be $169. Thanks again for asking MnSOFT about your map update, we sincerely hope you enjoy the rest of your day!

 

[EdP]

meaning you must visit your local Hyundai dealership and ask them to purchase it and install it for you. If they have any questions about that, please have them call us at (888) 757-0010, we will be happy to explain the process to them. The price will be $169. Thanks again for asking MnSOFT about your map update, we sincerely hope you enjoy the rest of your day!

So there is now support but very expensive. Does the $169 include dealer labor? Does it come with a vial of KY? Not cheap, but Mercedes is in the $249 category and others are similar.

 

[Mcc]

Prius nav update costs $169
Lexus IS up to $210
Both do not include installation
So maybe not cheap compared to Google maps or Garmin but in my mind there is no comparison. The native nav is far superior in terms of convenience and functionality.

 

[Mark_888]

The native nav is far superior in terms of convenience and functionality.

Not sure why you think built-in Nav has better functionality than a separate Garmin.

 

[EdP]

Not sure why you think built-in Nav has better functionality than a separate Garmin.

Only advantages to the built is is larger screen, next turn is shown in the HUD, no dangling cord.

OTOH, Garmin is reasonably priced and you can get free updates for life. Portable if you use rental cars. As for directions and POI, it is as good as the built in. The "send to car" is handy, but with a portable you bring it into the house to do anyway.

 

[GarnetTy1473]

Not sure why you think built-in Nav has better functionality than a separate Garmin.

After multiple upon multiple issues with Garmin's maps, I threw all mine out. Even after updates, the errors were still present. Road near my old house. Used to be an airport which closed down, so they put a road going through the middle of it, maybe 15-20 years ago. According to Garmin, it was still an airport and would want me to go around. One time, driving through Chicago going to Hyundai's warehouse, it had me jump off the interstate, just to do a u-turn and get right back on the interstate I was on. Another time, driving from Indy to Memphis for a NADA conference, quickest route is going through IL. It wanted me to go S through KY. I kept going the route I knew. Turns out, Garmin had it in their maps that the interstate ended, then started back up 100 ft later. Multiple issues like this made me give them up. The lifetime updates weren't worth it to me when I didn't know if when traveling out of town it would take me somewhere out of the way. I never had any of those issues with the built in units.

 

[Mark_888]

After multiple upon multiple issues with Garmin's maps, I threw all mine out. Even after updates, the errors were still present. Road near my old house. Used to be an airport which closed down, so they put a road going through the middle of it, maybe 15-20 years ago. According to Garmin, it was still an airport and would want me to go around. One time, driving through Chicago going to Hyundai's warehouse, it had me jump off the interstate, just to do a u-turn and get right back on the interstate I was on. Another time, driving from Indy to Memphis for a NADA conference, quickest route is going through IL. It wanted me to go S through KY. I kept going the route I knew. Turns out, Garmin had it in their maps that the interstate ended, then started back up 100 ft later. Multiple issues like this made me give them up. The lifetime updates weren't worth it to me when I didn't know if when traveling out of town it would take me somewhere out of the way. I never had any of those issues with the built in units.

You may not be aware that there are only a few companies that supply map data for vehicles and portable units, with Navteq and TeleAtlas being the main ones. Garmin uses Navteq map data, and do the majority of vehicle in-dash GPS systems. The software for interpreting the maps varies by GPS manufacturer.

A lot of members of this forum have complained about Genesis built-in Nav over the years, saying that they encountered significant map errors, and that they would prefer to use the mapping system on their phone. So I don't think Garmins are worse than Hyundai GPS systems on average (and you must compare them when both have their map data current).

Maybe Garmin GPS devices have improved since you used it, since here is a list of the top in-dash and portable after-market GPS systems, and Garmin seems to be well represented.
https://www.bestproducts.com/cars/auto-accessories/g316/gps-navigation-systems-for-your-car/

BTW, in Europe, Hyundai provides free map updates:
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/brand/know-where-to-go-hyundai-offers-free-lifetime-mapcaretm/

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Edit: Info about Hyundai map source.

I found out that Navteq has been renamed HERE and they claim they provide map data for almost all vehicle GPS systems, including Hyundai:
https://mapcreator.uservoice.com/kn...-can-i-get-new-maps-or-support-for-my-in-car\

They also supply map data for Garmin and other portable GPS systems.

 

[Mcc]

Only advantages to the built is is larger screen, next turn is shown in the HUD, no dangling cord.

OTOH, Garmin is reasonably priced and you can get free updates for life. Portable if you use rental cars. As for directions and POI, it is as good as the built in. The "send to car" is handy, but with a portable you bring it into the house to do anyway.

I think EdP gives a good summary although the wording is couched with his preference, All of the advantages he lists are the most important to me, plus free updated for 3 years. Also music volume automatically decreases and gives Nav priority so it is much easier to hear. And Bluelink with Google search is a pleasure to use and well integrated into the car. No search for the right button on some smaller screen. BlueLink almost always gets it right.

What EdP thinks are advantages of Garmin are not important to me. I don't use rentals. I have no desire to bring the Garmin inside every time I want to load an address. That is crazy to me. Just my opinion. Depends on where you live, what you like about the interior of your car and what car and year you have.

 

[Mark_888]

I think EdP gives a good summary although the wording is couched with his preference, All of the advantages he lists are the most important to me, plus free updated for 3 years. Also music volume automatically decreases and gives Nav priority so it is much easier to hear. And Bluelink with Google search is a pleasure to use and well integrated into the car. No search for the right button on some smaller screen. BlueLink almost always gets it right.

What EdP thinks are advantages of Garmin are not important to me. I don't use rentals. I have no desire to bring the Garmin inside every time I want to load an address. That is crazy to me. Just my opinion. Depends on where you live, what you like about the interior of your car and what car and year you have.

There are some advantages to built-in GPS, but the functionality of the newest Garmin GPS products is quite good, and better than most built-in units in vehicles.

One of the biggest disadvantages (besides not having free quarterly updates) of a built-in unit is that the location of the screen is not good IMO, which means that often times there is a lot of glare, and one has to look to far to the right and way from the road to see the screen, Most Genesis owners don't have HUD, and even then the HUD only provides some GPS information.

I don't use a GPS that often, so a portable unit is fine for me. My next vehicle is likely to have a built-in GPS, simply because that is the way many trim Packages are configured these days. But since I only drive about 2500 miles per year, and keep vehicles for about 10 years, I would rather not have an obsolete GPS system in my dash (assuming it even lasts that long).

I would actually prefer to have a manufacturer built-in smartphone mounting system (that provides inconspicuous built-in phone charging) to use a phone for navigation.

 

[Mcc]

Why are you commenting about “most vehicles” when we are talking about the Genesis? Is that pertaintent here?

The comments I made don’t require that I have a Garmin. However your comments are specific to how the native genesis acts and looks. Do you have the native genesis nav to make that comparison?

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[Mark_888]

Why are you commenting about “most vehicles” when we are talking about the Genesis? Is that pertaintent here?

The comments I made don’t require that I have a Garmin. However your comments are specific to how the native genesis acts and looks. Do you have the native genesis nav to make that comparison?

I admitted I don't have a Genesis Motors GPS, but having read quite a few posts on this forum for the last 9 years (including those with the current GPS system), I don't recall anyone mentioning that the functionality of the built-in one is better than the better Garmin units. In fact, the comments have been the opposite.

Yes, there are some integration advantages to a built-in unit, but there is a lot more to "functionality" of a GPS than that, and Garmin typically scores very high in reviews (see the link I posted above).

 

[Mcc]

You have become quite adept at making judgements from other people posts. People see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. Did you see the post a few up from John Nance since you want to refer to what others have said? I am speaking from my personal experience. You can’t do that and yet you always have an opinion, even if it based on info from 9 years ago. Maybe jour judgment is colored by out of date data.

I am not saying that the Garmin is not a good unit. Your link shows that. I am saying that the current native nav is better and your link doent speak directly to that issue.

BTW, I have to ask, do you currently own and use a Garmin?

 

[Mark_888]

You have become quite adept at making judgements from other people posts.

Consumer Reports has been doing that for decades. I think that reading all the consumer comments on a subject is valuable, and in fact more valuable, and statistically more significant, than just the anecdotal comments of one person.

I have no axe to grind. I would be quite happy if the built-in Hyundai or Genesis systems were the best on the market, and better than Garmin, but I don't get that feedback when reading all the relevant posts on this forum.

Also, even though I don't own a Genesis with GPS, I have ridden in one a fair amount (which belongs to a friend) and I don't like glare of reflected daylight on the screen, nor do I like the positon on the dash. I can tilt the Garmin down so that there is no glare and I can clearly see it. But I do admit that if I needed a GPS 50%+ of the time, a built-in unit offers conveniences.

 

[Sdr4bear]

These were interesting posts. I have an 2013 Equus and a Garmin. Until recently, we have always used the Garmin because of the updates. It is frustrating to have a NAV system that requires constant payments for updates. I just recently purchased an Audi A8 that has lifetime Google maps. Wow, what a wonderful thing. Why can't all cars of this caliber have the same. I know I am whining but I don't have to worry about the yearly upgrades to a system that is obsolete as soon as you pay for the upgrades. At least with my Audi I rely on Google maps that is ALWAYS updated. I agree that a built in NAV system is great to reduce cords, and bulky things on the dashboard, but many manufactures know that having a NAV system will require residual income if the owner wants to have an updated system. All in all, most people now rely on their phones, which uses google maps to provide their NAV functions. It will be nice when all manufactures do the same. Until then I will just purchase vehicles that have the google map function available.