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Should I wait for the 2011

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Does any one know what differences there will be on the 2011 Genesis? I know about the 8 speed transmission. Anything else, either mechanical or appearance?
Also anyone have a delivery date?
 
Does any one know what differences there will be on the 2011 Genesis? I know about the 8 speed transmission. Anything else, either mechanical or appearance?
Also anyone have a delivery date?
If the 2011 comes with a new Hyundai transmission, I would definitely go with the 2010 model (either V6 or V8).
 
As far as I'm informed, the 8-speed transmission hasn't been confirmed yet. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems like there will be some minor cosmetic changes like bumper integrated exhaust outlet, etc.

If you're not in a hurry, it's not a bad idea to wait a few more months to see what the changes are for '11 and then decide.
For me, the great deals on an '09 was hard to pass.

Dan
 
I would definitely wait until you know more about the changes and then see if they are worth waiting for. I think it is one of those things that you could wait forever because every year they do something to move inventory. You are likely to always want the newer improved version. I am very happy with my 09 and I have no regrets buying in September knowing the 2010 were around the corner. If anything you might be able to get a better price on the 2010 later this yer if you can wait. Good luck!
 
If the 2011 comes with a new Hyundai transmission, I would definitely go with the 2010 model (either V6 or V8).

That's quite the presumptive statement. By your logic, no one should have purchased a 2009 Genesis 4.6 because the Tau engine is new.

To the OP: If you can wait 8-9 months I would. If you end up not liking the 2011 more than the 2010 you should still be able to find a leftover 2010 to your liking and probably get a better deal than you would at the beginning of the year.

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As far as I'm informed, the 8-speed transmission hasn't been confirmed yet. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems like there will be some minor cosmetic changes like bumper integrated exhaust outlet, etc.

If you're not in a hurry, it's not a bad idea to wait a few more months to see what the changes are for '11 and then decide.
For me, the great deals on an '09 was hard to pass.

Dan

Take it for what it's worth:

We’ve previously heard that the Hyundai Genesis sedan will get an 8-speed automatic transmission and now its confirmed. According to Lee Hyun-Soon, head of r&d for Hyundai and Kia, the 8-speed automatic will be offered in the Genesis sedan when it is refreshed in the 2011 model year.

Source: http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/01/1...8-speed-automatic-in-2011-borrego-may-follow/
 
That's quite the presumptive statement. By your logic, no one should have purchased a 2009 Genesis 4.6 because the Tau engine is new.
Transmissions seem to be more complicated than engines, and very hard to repair.

However, I would say that one thing in favor of the Genesis V6 over the V8 is that the Lambda engine (albeit in slightly different form) has been around for awhile, and was one argument against the brand new Tau V8 introduced mid-year 2008 (it is no longer quite so new in 2010). There are some things about the Tau that have bothered some people on this forum, that are probably not unusual to find in a brand new engine design.

So yes, I would agree with my logic on both the transmission and engine choices.
 
Does any one know what differences there will be on the 2011 Genesis? I know about the 8 speed transmission. Anything else, either mechanical or appearance?
Also anyone have a delivery date?
You're assuming more gears are better. The new BMW's have new 8 speeds and a lot of people can't stand them because they mapping is all over the place, some love them cause they are ultra smooth and get better gas mileage, it depends on your taste. Also if you wait for the 2011 it's certain that you will be paying more, it may not be much more, but it will be more, that's just the way the world works. You could try and get a demo 09 model and you'll be paying a lot less. You just have to decide what's more important to you, value or cache of having the latest and greatest.
 
You're assuming more gears are better. The new BMW's have new 8 speeds and a lot of people can't stand them because they mapping is all over the place, some love them cause they are ultra smooth and get better gas mileage, it depends on your taste. Also if you wait for the 2011 it's certain that you will be paying more, it may not be much more, but it will be more, that's just the way the world works. You could try and get a demo 09 model and you'll be paying a lot less. You just have to decide what's more important to you, value or cache of having the latest and greatest.

You got it!!! I would never want a 7 or 8 speed tranny. Too many gears, and the tranny in spirited driving is all over the place and can't decide on which gear, because there is too many to choose from.

If I drove like my grandma, then 132 gears would be just fine.:D
 
Funny, I don't recall Lexus LS, GS460, or IS-F owners complaining too much about their 8-speed autos. Besides, the 8-speed Aisin and ZF transmissions are capable of skipping gears to cut down on number of shifs. Instead of downshifting from 8 to 7 to 6, it can skip from 8 to 6 and 6 to 4 if you really stomp on it.

Lets wait until Hyundai's new 8-speed auto gets here before damning it. :) You can't stand in the way of progress. In 10 years time I have a feeling 8-speed autos will be relatively commonplace.
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Funny, I don't recall Lexus LS, GS460, or IS-F owners complaining too much about their 8-speed autos. Besides, the 8-speed Aisin and ZF transmissions are capable of skipping gears to cut down on number of shifs. Instead of downshifting from 8 to 7 to 6, it can skip from 8 to 6 and 6 to 4 if you really stomp on it.
Lets wait until Hyundai's new 8-speed auto gets here before damning it. :) You can't stand in the way of progress. In 10 years time I have a feeling 8-speed autos will be relatively commonplace.
It's really a matter of taste. 8 isn't better or worse than 6, it really depends on the end user. My friend who has a 5series drove the Genesis and thought the ride was too soft. My mom who has an LS, thought the Genesis was too hard. I guess I'm Goldilocks, feels just right.
 
It's really a matter of taste. 8 isn't better or worse than 6, it really depends on the end user.

Not to be argumentative or belabor the issue, but they are better in several key areas. They're more fuel-efficient and providen quicker acceleration. In the case of the Aisin (Lexus) unit, it's smaller, lighter and has less moving parts than the outgoing 6-speed (the very one used in the V6 Genesis). In the case of the ZF unit, it's identical in size and weight as the outgoing 6-speed and provides quicker shifting (nearly as quick as a DSG), greater fuel efficiency, and is highly customizable to AWD/RWD and can come equipped w/ a 47hp electric motor in place of the torque converter which aids fuel economy even further. The electric motor also doubles as the starter to save on weight. Trust me when I say this is where the market is headed due to increased CAFE requirements (along w/ DSGs and CVTs). ZF has stated they will stop production on their 6HP transmission by 2014.

Only time will tell how well Hyundai's 8-speed stacks up to the competition. I have high hopes, but you never know. :)
 
Only time will tell how well Hyundai's 8-speed stacks up to the competition. I have high hopes, but you never know. :)
I hear what you're saying, but it's not the tranny that needs addressing in this car. 2% fuel economy increase on a 400 mile range car is 8 miles total. That's a fart in a wind storm. They'd do themselves more good by addressing some other issues that have been discussed by many GO forum members. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the number 1 thing they can do to make a good car great, is provide car with adjustable suspension setting. Or have an equivalent "M" button like many Bimmers which, stiffens the suspension, throttle response, steeing input, and sends a text to your loved ones to gather bail money.
IAlthough, i'm sure the 8 speed will be great, as Hyundai has momentum and money to reinvest into their product lines.
 
I hear what you're saying, but it's not the tranny that needs addressing in this car. 2% fuel economy increase on a 400 mile range car is 8 miles total. That's a fart in a wind storm. They'd do themselves more good by addressing some other issues that have been discussed by many GO forum members. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the number 1 thing they can do to make a good car great, is provide car with adjustable suspension setting. Or have an equivalent "M" button like many Bimmers which, stiffens the suspension, throttle response, steeing input, and sends a text to your loved ones to gather bail money.
IAlthough, i'm sure the 8 speed will be great, as Hyundai has momentum and money to reinvest into their product lines.

I fail to see how one thing negates the other. They could always add the 8-speed auto and an adjustable suspension. :D

And given the claimed improvements in fuel economy on 8 speed autos compared to their 6 speed counterparts (6-7% without the addition of electric motors and start/stop technology), the cruising range of the Genesis 4.6 would increase by roughly 45 mpg, and *could* manage an EPA rating of 27 mpg on the highway. Damn impressive for a full-size V8 luxury sedan IMO.
 
I fail to see how one thing negates the other. They could always add the 8-speed auto and an adjustable suspension. :D

And given the claimed improvements in fuel economy on 8 speed autos compared to their 6 speed counterparts (6-7% without the addition of electric motors and start/stop technology), the cruising range of the Genesis 4.6 would increase by roughly 45 mpg, and *could* manage an EPA rating of 27 mpg on the highway. Damn impressive for a full-size V8 luxury sedan IMO.
One doesn't negate the other. But this is an "entry level" luxury sedan. Hence the omission of things like, real wood,passenger side cooled seat/height adjustment control, folding rear seat, plain jane gauges. You start adding things to this car and it starts making the entry more and more prohibitive. To be fair, the 8 speed will probably reduce the cost, or make it a push since it's made in house. But adjustable suspension, I'm sure that aint cheap, and that's really what the car needs more than anything else.
 
Another thing to keep in mind is that 2011 is supposed to be the mid-lifecycle refresh, so I'd expect to see minor styling changes in addition to what's already been mentioned. Plus, I suspect that we'll see something different with the audio and GPS options, perhaps the Microsoft-Hyundai telematics package?
 
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One doesn't negate the other. But this is an "entry level" luxury sedan. Hence the omission of things like, real wood,passenger side cooled seat/height adjustment control, folding rear seat, plain jane gauges. You start adding things to this car and it starts making the entry more and more prohibitive. To be fair, the 8 speed will probably reduce the cost, or make it a push since it's made in house. But adjustable suspension, I'm sure that aint cheap, and that's really what the car needs more than anything else.

Whoa, what? The rear seats don't fold? I fail to see how this is a "luxury" feature...

Aw, that's a bummer - I can't count the number of times being able to fold my back seat made the difference between having something fit or not fit
 
Whoa, what? The rear seats don't fold? I fail to see how this is a "luxury" feature...

Aw, that's a bummer - I can't count the number of times being able to fold my back seat made the difference between having something fit or not fit

Yeah, it's on many peoples' gripe list. It's a ski passthru (center seat cushion folds down into armrest/cupholders and there's a little door behind it). Not much use unless you ski or are transporting gardening tools :(

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Whoa, what? The rear seats don't fold? I fail to see how this is a "luxury" feature...

Aw, that's a bummer - I can't count the number of times being able to fold my back seat made the difference between having something fit or not fit

True, but there are many other cars in a luxury class that the rear seat do not fold down. The trunk is so damn big in the Genesis, all is well
 
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