Transmission dying?

[AVMIII]

2011 4.6 w/about 78K on it.
For the last 3-5k miles, the car slips into gear -sometimes -when starting from a stop, or I think also into 2nd gear at low speed obviously. It seems to kick down in it's normal slow lackluster way as is always has when I floor it from 30+mph.
I'm thinking that the trans is starting to go, and sense it was a private 2nd owner purchase, no 100k powertrain warranty for me...

I hesitate to take it to the numbnutz dealer, or even worse Aamco as they will want to tear apart the trans and for sure will want to rebuild it.
So the question is, could it be something else that someone here has observed and had repaired like an engine mount, something in the brake, auto-hold etc system?

 

[Mark_888]

2011 4.6 w/about 78K on it.
For the last 3-5k miles, the car slips into gear -sometimes -when starting from a stop, or I think also into 2nd gear at low speed obviously. It seems to kick down in it's normal slow lackluster way as is always has when I floor it from 30+mph.
I'm thinking that the trans is starting to go, and sense it was a private 2nd owner purchase, no 100k powertrain warranty for me...

I hesitate to take it to the numbnutz dealer, or even worse Aamco as they will want to tear apart the trans and for sure will want to rebuild it.
So the question is, could it be something else that someone here has observed and had repaired like an engine mount, something in the brake, auto-hold etc system?

The ZF made 6-speed transmission has been very reliable, but "some" V8 owners may have been a bit rough on their cars.

Has there ever been a transmission fluid change? It is extremely important to use the correct fluid for this transmission, and anything else can cause major problems. The fluid change on this transmission is difficult to do, and probably best to take it to a Hyundai dealer.

A dealer will probably not fix this transmission, and will only replace it.

You might want to try searching for a used transmission from a junked Genesis. A new one from Hyundai will set you back a bundle just for the part:

AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION / AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION / AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION / TRANSMISSION
4500049210 - TRANSMISSION
Genesis; 4.6L; From 2/18/10

MSRP $11,246.60
Online Price $8,434.95

 

[landtuna]

You regularly floor the gas? That can definitely wear the tranny quick.

 

[dmitriylm]

Driving the car aggressively will not damage the transmission. The ZF trans is known to be reliable so it might just be a dud.

 

[homeofstone]

+1 on the transmission service. Mine is still shifting like new at 181,000 miles and its been serviced about every 60,000 miles.

 

[landtuna]

Driving the car aggressively will not damage the transmission. The ZF trans is known to be reliable so it might just be a dud.

Damage? Possibly not.

Wear? Definitely!

 

[AVMIII]

I guess I'll have fluid/filter changed. I do see fluid change listed at 60k mi.
I do floor the car a few times a week, but so what? I've driven a number of Fords, and Lincolns in the last few decades, all over 200k and NONE of them have had transmissions die. No way this trans should have problems with 76K highway miles!!

In general I think that this Genesis is the worst POS car that I've EVER owned. Starter has gone, engine does the loud tapping in startup on cold mornings, rear window goes down whenever it feels like it with the car off! Seat looks like a 600ib gorilla sat in itfor 10yrs, car rides like crap; certainly not like an supposed luxury car over secondary roads. I could continue, but if the trans goes, that's it. no more good money after bad.

 

[Mark_888]

I guess I'll have fluid/filter changed. I do see fluid change listed at 60k mi.
I do floor the car a few times a week, but so what? I've driven a number of Fords, and Lincolns in the last few decades, all over 200k and NONE of them have had transmissions die. No way this trans should have problems with 76K highway miles!!

In general I think that this Genesis is the worst POS car that I've EVER owned. Starter has gone, engine does the loud tapping in startup on cold mornings, rear window goes down whenever it feels like it with the car off! Seat looks like a 600ib gorilla sat in itfor 10yrs, car rides like crap; certainly not like an supposed luxury car over secondary roads. I could continue, but if the trans goes, that's it. no more good money after bad.

Any time you buy a used car, you have no idea what the previous driver did to it. In this case, you bought a car that had a powerful 3.8L V6, and an optional overkill 4.6L V8. People who bought the V8 probably did not baby it.

The ZF 6HP26 on the 2011 Genesis 4.6 has been quite reliable based on feedback from forum members, and has been used in many other applications:

• 2001–2008 BMW E65/E66 7 Series
• 2002–2005 Jaguar XK8/XKR
• 2003–2008 Jaguar S-Type
• 2003–2009 Jaguar XJ (X350)
• 2003–2010 BMW E63/E64 6 Series
• 2003-2012 Rolls-Royce Phantom (2003)
• 2007-present Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupé
• 2004–2006 BMW E53 X5 V8
• 2003–2010 BMW E60 5 Series
• 2005–2011 BMW E90 3 Series
• 2005–present Ford Falcon (BF, FG)
• 2005–present Ford Territory (SY & SY II AWD; SZ RWD)
• 2012-present Ford Trucks F Series - under license - Getrag 6R80
• 2005–2008 Lincoln Navigator
• 2006–present Jaguar XK/XKR
• 2007–2013 BMW E70 X5 Except 4.0d
• 2007–2012 Maserati Quattroporte
• 2008–2012 BMW F01/02 7 Series (except 760i/Li and Hybrid 7)
• 2008–2011 Kia Mohave
• 2009–2011 Hyundai Genesis V8 4.6L
• 2009–present Jaguar XF
• 2006-2009 Bentley Arnage
• 2008-2011 Bentley Brooklands

 

[landtuna]

I do floor the car a few times a week, but so what? I've driven a number of Fords, and Lincolns in the last few decades, all over 200k and NONE of them have had transmissions die. No way this trans should have problems with 76K highway miles!!

Well, yes and no. You said you bought it used from a private party. Did that party treat it good? The harder you drive anything mechanical the shorter its life will be. Fact of life.

In general I think that this Genesis is the worst POS car that I've EVER owned. Starter has gone, engine does the loud tapping in startup on cold mornings, rear window goes down whenever it feels like it with the car off! Seat looks like a 600ib gorilla sat in itfor 10yrs, car rides like crap; certainly not like an supposed luxury car over secondary roads. I could continue, but if the trans goes, that's it. no more good money after bad.

You sound like you've had a bunch of small issues but the only important one in the list above is the starter. Tapping upon startup is a common sound with some of these engines. Rear window (I assume you mean the shade) is probably nothing more than a faulty or worn switch. The stretched upholstery has also been mentioned by a few owners but that is a simple and inexpensive fix. The "bad" ride could be worn parts or damage and is part and parcel when you own a car. If it wasn't comfortable when you bought it then why did you buy it?

I've had exactly one minor issue with my 2012 R-spec since new and that seems pretty average. I once bought a new Blazer and discovered the body was installed incorrectly on the chassis! I also bought a new Ford pickup a few years later and the engine self-destructed at 48K although it hadn't been used hard or used for towing. Of course it was just out of warranty.

To this day I won't touch a GM, Ford or Chrysler product.

 

[AVMIII]

hey landtuna, I meant what I wrote -REAR WINDOW- randomly goes down with car off. It probably is a switch but hard to determine if it's the master drivers door or the rear door.
I bought the car with 21k. I don't know what previous owner did, but you can wave your hands and blame it on him I guess. But I still don't buy it.
I don't care about various problems that you've had with other cars--no analogy to my issue. I quoted FoMoCo cars (7!) that I drove for 200k mi plus and NO transmission problems. And yes I would have considered another one, but no more rear wheel drive.

And Mark 888. While you quote a plethora of vehicles using the ZF, I find it VERY difficult to believe that each one is the EXACT same transmission. I can believe that the general model number might be the same, but don't tell me that the big bucks cars are using the exact same trans. I don't buy that either..

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[landtuna]

hey landtuna, I meant what I wrote -REAR WINDOW- randomly goes down with car off.

Unless you have a very custom Genny the REAR WINDOW does not move. You obviously meant REAR SIDE WINDOW but that is not what you said.

I bought the car with 21k. I don't know what previous owner did, but you can wave your hands and blame it on him I guess. But I still don't buy it.

I have no idea how the previous owner treated the car - and neither do you apparently. It was only a possibility, not an accusation.

I don't care about various problems that you've had with other cars--no analogy to my issue.

Well, yes and no. Other owners have expressed trans problems with the Genny too but AFAIK no one else has admitted they stomp on the gas several times per week. My position is....if you treat your vehicle rough you can expect things to break and wear out. The Genny is not a race car.

I quoted FoMoCo cars (7!) that I drove for 200k mi plus and NO transmission problems. And yes I would have considered another one, but no more rear wheel drive.

The vast majority of vehicles built today, excepting pickups, are front wheel drive so you should have an almost never ending choice should you prefer FWD.

I'm just guessing here but I suspect none of the Fords you mention had a high horsepower engine. There is nothing about the design or execution of a rear wheel drive vehicle that indicates inherent transmission problems. And didn't you mention you were going to sell the Genny and buy a Corvette? If so, go ahead and buy it and stomp the hell out of it and see how much time it spends in the shop.

 

[Mark_888]

And Mark 888. While you quote a plethora of vehicles using the ZF, I find it VERY difficult to believe that each one is the EXACT same transmission. I can believe that the general model number might be the same, but don't tell me that the big bucks cars are using the exact same trans. I don't buy that either..

All manufacturers make improvements over time, while keeping the same model number, but I am quite sure that the transmission used on the Genesis was not less reliable than the others.

Having been on this forum since January 2009, the number of reliability problems with the ZF transmissions has been very small, and I suspect mostly from people who drove their car very hard, or shifted before the car was at a complete stop (I had a good friend who always did this, going from Reverse to Drive before the car stopped, for some reason).

Same ZF transmission was also used on the Hyundai Genesis V6 Coupe from about 2009-2011 (not sure of exact dates). The fact of the matter, which you refuse to accept, is that it is not a Hyundai transmission.

The 2009-2011 Hyundai Genesis V6 Sedan used an Aisin 6-speed transmission (joint venture between Toyota and Borg-Warner) and has also proven to be extremely reliable on the Genesis, Lexus, and many other cars.

 

[n_tesla]

According to Truedelta's survey 5% of the problems (not 5% of all vehicles) with 2011 Genesis were driveline related. Most with unbalanced drive shafts. So transmission issues are rare. That said, some will fail. If it were me I'd go to an independent shop where they will fix rather than replace the transmission. Keep in mind that a used transmission with warranty and 20,000 miles should cost $1,250. So if the dollars start adding up I'd swap it.
http://www.truedelta.com/2011-Hyundai-Genesis/transmission-problems-777

 

[Mark_888]

According to Truedelta's survey 5% of the problems (not 5% of all vehicles) with 2011 Genesis were driveline related. Most with unbalanced drive shafts. So transmission issues are rare. That said, some will fail. If it were me I'd go to an independent shop where they will fix rather than replace the transmission. Keep in mind that a used transmission with warranty and 20,000 miles should cost $1,250. So if the dollars start adding up I'd swap it.
http://www.truedelta.com/2011-Hyundai-Genesis/transmission-problems-777

Keep in mind that for 2009-2011 Genesis, the V6 and V8 used different 6-speed transmissions. But both are reliable models from Aisin and ZF respectively.

Starting in 2012, the Genesis has used a Hyundai 8-speed transmission for both V6 and V8. There were some transmission issues for early 2012 models, the first year that the Hyundai 8-speed was used in one of their vehicles.

 

[AVMIII]

land tuna, yeah well of course I meant SIDE rear window. --didn't know that I had to spell on side since as you've noted the rear window is fixed. Picky huh?
My lincolns have been v8 290hp, so not quite genesis territory but big cars with big engines, and none have had trans issues. Other fords were V8s too. I meant that I stopped buying Lincoln as they no longer sold rear wheel drive. My wife has a MKS which I'm not too fond of.

You've got to be kidding me that no one has "admitted" to stomping on the gas. I find this VERY difficult to believe. No one floors it in an entrance lane to get onto the highway? To pass someone? Are you all driving like little old ladies?! Oh come on!
I'm not shifting from reverse, or doing "neutral drops" or anything nuts. You act like cars are never supposed to be driven as in stepping on the gas. Sorry, but that makes no sense to me. I don't abuse the car, nor do I think that using the gas pedal is wrong. I don't know where you get off (or whoever wrote it) that accelerating by pressing the gas pedal to the floor is "flogging" give it a rest.

And I never said anything anywhere about selling this and/or buying a corvette. GM is not my cup of tea for reasons that are out of scope here.
My other car is a 2010 Jag XKR oddly enough with the "same" ZF trans. Somehow I doubt (and sure hope) that it is not exactly the same as the one that seems to be failing me in the genesis.

 

[homeofstone]

land tuna, yeah well of course I meant SIDE rear window. --didn't know that I had to spell on side since as you've noted the rear window is fixed. Picky huh?
My lincolns have been v8 290hp, so not quite genesis territory but big cars with big engines, and none have had trans issues. Other fords were V8s too. I meant that I stopped buying Lincoln as they no longer sold rear wheel drive. My wife has a MKS which I'm not too fond of.

You've got to be kidding me that no one has "admitted" to stomping on the gas. I find this VERY difficult to believe. No one floors it in an entrance lane to get onto the highway? To pass someone? Are you all driving like little old ladies?! Oh come on!
I'm not shifting from reverse, or doing "neutral drops" or anything nuts. You act like cars are never supposed to be driven as in stepping on the gas. Sorry, but that makes no sense to me. I don't abuse the car, nor do I think that using the gas pedal is wrong. I don't know where you get off (or whoever wrote it) that accelerating by pressing the gas pedal to the floor is "flogging" give it a rest.

And I never said anything anywhere about selling this and/or buying a corvette. GM is not my cup of tea for reasons that are out of scope here.
My other car is a 2010 Jag XKR oddly enough with the "same" ZF trans. Somehow I doubt (and sure hope) that it is not exactly the same as the one that seems to be failing me in the genesis.

I think your jag zf and the Genesis ZF transmission are the same. They use the same pan/filter and fluid I believe.

 

[landtuna]

land tuna, yeah well of course I meant SIDE rear window. --didn't know that I had to spell on side since as you've noted the rear window is fixed. Picky huh?

My Genny has a rear window shade that goes up and down so I was a bit confused if you meant the shade or an actual window. Accurate is accurate.

You've got to be kidding me that no one has "admitted" to stomping on the gas. I find this VERY difficult to believe. No one floors it in an entrance lane to get onto the highway? To pass someone? Are you all driving like little old ladies?! Oh come on!

I can't speak for anyone else but I have NEVER needed to "floor it" to merge or to pass. A little tap on the gas and it takes off. In fact, flooring it may result in a bit more time to accelerate since there is a short bit of time required for the tranny to downshift.

I'm not shifting from reverse, or doing "neutral drops" or anything nuts. You act like cars are never supposed to be driven as in stepping on the gas. Sorry, but that makes no sense to me. I don't abuse the car, nor do I think that using the gas pedal is wrong. I don't know where you get off (or whoever wrote it) that accelerating by pressing the gas pedal to the floor is "flogging" give it a rest.

What I said was the more you drive it hard the faster you will break it or cause exceptional wear. Flooring it is driving it hard. I will stand by that statement. It is your car and your money so you do what you want but you can't change the laws of physics.

My other car is a 2010 Jag XKR...

If you already have a Lincoln and a Jag in your family then frustration with cars shouldn't be a new experience. These marques have among the lowest reliability scores for all passenger vehicles.

 

[Jon Jackson]

Just got my 12' R spec back with a new transmission. Runs so good.

 

[qstarweb]

My 2012 has the 8 speed automatic in it and I haven't had any problems with it so far. It's a great match for the 5.0 liter engine and works quite well.

It doesn't take "flooring it" to accelerate aggressively or pass someone or zip out fast getting on the highway from an on-ramp. Even without pushing the gas all the way, it goes from 0 to 65 in seconds.


I did once "floor it" to try it when I had my 2009 Maxima, and it went to 60 very quickly...that car weighed about 600 lbs less than a 1G Genesis and had a 3.5 liter V6 rated at 290 HP. The Maxima paired up a CVT transmission with the V6, which "shifted" without any detectible shift shock, which is good or not good depending one's point of view, but it was extremely smooth, and the car quickly reached 60 without going very high in RPMs, it was different.

Overall, the Genesis is a better car the Maxima, but the 2009 Maxima was around 38,000 new and my Genesis had a 46,000 suggested retail price in 2012.

Deann

 

[Mark_888]

My 2012 has the 8 speed automatic in it and I haven't had any problems with it so far. It's a great match for the 5.0 liter engine and works quite well.

The Hyundai 8-speed was a brand new transmission in 2012 model year. The early models had some transmission problems and they were fixed part way through the 2012 model year. Very few complaints after that.