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Used to be in Love...Now Nothing But Regrets.

acecert

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Genesis Model Type
Genesis G80
Here is my facebook post with Hyundai for what I'm dealing with...it's not what I expected with my car or the lack of concern for issue from Hyundai. Most of the Genesis cars I understand have been very reliable. Mine was and then things with the navigation began to occur (twice) and now...the engine mystery.

I've had a case number filed since 7/29/16. My 2015 5.0 Genesis with 16,000 miles arbitrarily is not starting (it isn't a battery issue as it's fully charged). It's been towed once, then started by itself the next day. Same thing happened on a second occasion. It's been brought to 2 different Hyundai Dealerships who cannot duplicate the problem yet it has been proven (by video tape) that it occurs (which they are not denying). I've also had the entire navigation unit replaced twice. I'm requesting buy back. Was told within 5 days after escalation I would be contacted which should have been on Friday, 9/2/16. My case was assigned to Carolyn on 8/29/16. I've since called nearly every day and had emails sent to her through the call center (which they say that's all they can do as well as a supervisor from the call center) and still no reply. As of today, Hyundai's "Escalation Department" is overdue to contact me by 3 days (excluding the recent holiday). They actually are overdue much more because I had actually called this in to have escalated on Fri, 8/26/16 and spoke with an Ilene in the call center but she didn't do it right so when I didn't receive the call I was expecting that following week, I called back on Fri, 9/2/16 and spoke w/ Brandon who properly escalated my case with Hyundai. So, I've actually been waiting for almost 2 weeks (this Friday) for Carolyn to do her job and contact me. I sold my BMW 7 for this car and I've also owned several other luxury vehicles. If Hyundai wants to create a separate luxury "Genesis" brand, it has to be more than just a car....it has to be service that goes with the car. Administratively, this is a complete fail. The "Escalated Department" and specifically Carolyn is not doing her job to contact me as I've been told she would by the call center so who do you contact when you are having problems with this area? Call center can't help you...they just can send emails to Carolyn (and her boss which was also sent) they say and note the case. I asked for corporate's number above this "Escalated Department" and was told they only have an address (no email or phone) and that I would have to write to them. Really??? So, I googled it, called the Fountain Valley location and after having the operator not answer the call the first two times I tried, I was finally successful on the third attempt. She transferred me to the "Executive Area" where she said escalations are typically handled where I received a general voicemail box (not a person but an "Executive" area box) where I could leave a message...which I did and gave my case number and briefly described the matter asking for a return call. So far....didn't hear from them as of this post. As an HR Manager myself, if I was overseeing this area, I'd definitely have some questions I'd be asking. It's almost hard to believe the disregard this company has for its customers when there are severe issues with their cars.
 
I found HMC to be very fair and accommodating in dealing with an issue. It did take time. Patience is a virtue, though not easy to maintain. Several members have posted that the CEO is a straight up guy. Good luck!
 
horrible. hope u work it out. I'd lemon it if you can get it in 3 times.

meanwhile, the first ever mass produced 8 speed transmission on the lexus LS460 till this day, still runs strong
 
I always believe you should report the good with the "not so good" so although not resolved, I have to say this morning I received an email from the CEO and was quite surprised.

Here was my email to him (along with my social media post above):

This is the third week my car has been in the Puente Hills dealership. They and the Glendora dealership have done their jobs to the best of the ability and I have no complaints. Where I do take issue is with the call center procedures where the representatives and supervisors have not been properly equipped to handle cases when your "Escalated Department" is not doing their job and meeting the deadlines of what the call center is telling your customers. My case will show you the number of times I have followed up and the number of attempts I have tried to get a hold of Carolyn to explain to me where they are at with their process in review of my case and when I can expect an answer. To date, I have heard nothing despite numerous efforts to reach her...even an email being sent by the call center to her direct supervisor. So when the "Escalated Department" isn't communicating, it leaves little option for the customers to get information they are entitled to have (especially if your call center is telling me I will be contacted within 5 days and have not) and only provokes your customer to litigate (which I have not yet done but am considering as I'm left with little alternatives).

I made another call today to the call center and spoke w/Tina who advised me a supervisor would call me within 3 hours. My call was around 12:30 - 1:00 p.m. and I never received that return call (much like I didn't receive a call from the "Escalated Department") so I called back and talked to Brandon this eve (who has followed up on a previous call to properly escalate my case that wasn't properly handled by Ilene). I reported I had not heard from a supervisor as I was told by Tina I would and Brandon said he would follow up again and that perhaps I may receive a call tonight..which I haven't. It's all in an attempt to get to this person named Carolyn or someone else who can provide me with answers to my questions about my car buy back request and if they don't have an answer, to let me know when they anticipate having one. This, among several other examples in my case, is where Hyundai has not followed through. Your call center is not equipped with authority and as I'm told can only email Carolyn and her supervisor and that they have no ability to call them or provide me with a number to call. The only option I had was to physically write a letter (no email or phone number) to the corporate office. I then googled the number to the Fountain Valley location and called, left message with the "executive" area where the operator thought my case would be handled. I haven't heard back after leaving that message on what appeared to be a general voicemail box.

This should all be disturbing to you. It would be to me having worked in the service industry (banking) as the SVP of Human Resources for the past 29 years. At this point...I'm truly at a loss of what else I could possibly do to get assistance so I'm resorting to writing you here and also putting the facts out as they stand on social media. This simply isn't right. Nobody purchases a vehicle for this price (and I've owned more high end vehicles than I care to admit) and expects to be treated like Hyundai has treated my case. You won't attract the buyers you hope for by ignoring the responsibility of your staff to properly communicate with your customers...especially if there are problems.

Here is the CEO's response:

David - thanks for bringing this to my direct attention. I apologize for all the needless aggravation and inconvenience this has caused you and agree completely that we simply have to up our game to meet customer expectations.

Frank - please address the CA processes highlighted here, they are unacceptable for any owner let alone our Genesis customers. Kimberly - please touch base with the dealerships and see if we need to get an FSE directly involved.

Erwin - we have plenty of work to do with an elevated level of Service for Genesis. Please coordinate with Sandy to identify and eliminate these pain points.

Let's see what happens.
 
And this is exactly what this community is for - owners helping owners. Now we just need Hyundai and Genesis Motors to interact here a bit so that problems never take this long to move in the right direction...
 
Frank - please address the CA processes highlighted here, they are unacceptable for any owner let alone our Genesis customers. Kimberly - please touch base with the dealerships and see if we need to get an FSE directly involved.

Erwin - we have plenty of work to do with an elevated level of Service for Genesis. Please coordinate with Sandy to identify and eliminate these pain points.

Great response from the CEO. To me, the direction to Frank and Erwin speaks volumes as it clearly addresses the current Genesis owners and their inclusion in the overall Genesis 'world'.
 
acecert -

Glad to here there will be some action.

Just wondering on your problem, when it is not starting, is the brake pedal really hard, like rock hard and does not depress?

I have had that problem where the car sits a few days and it seems that the brake pedal looses pressure in the line and is really hard to move, you have to really press hard before you can get the interlock on the brake to work and start the car.

Thanks and good luck to you.
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Good information regarding the brake pedal .... thanks for posting.

I have my 2015 5.0 in for a new battery. Warranty ran out at 2 years, its 2 years 2 months. Dealer (really good service rep - Chris Dean, & dealership - Parkway Hyundai, Wilmington, NC) is trying to get some help from Hyundai on the $400 dry cell battery. Only 19,000 miles on the car. Just plain drained when I went to start it. Never had any indication of power from the battery at all. Its a garage kept car and it has been driven enough to charge the battery. I was taking it in for the tire recall, and oil service. Will see.
 
I bought my first Genesis in the U.S. in early 2010, and sold it in June, 2015, for half what I paid for it. It still looked like a new car and ran really well. Great value, great resale.

I moved to Canada and got a 2015 3.8 HTRAC. It was running really well until my bizarre electrical problem that sidelined it for a total of 82 DAYS. Hyundai Canada's response was totally inadequate, although they eventually gave me a brand new car. That car has generally performed well, and the previous one (which turned out to have JUST ONE DAMAGED WIRE) is on the road, running perfectly for a new owner.

After my experience, I sent the CEO of Hyundai Canada a lengthy, courteous letter, suggesting that a would-be luxury brand needs an "elevated service path" when a Genesis customer's car has been in the shop 60 days. As with all my previous attempts to communicate with Hyundai management, they did not even do me the courtesy of a form letter response.

I'm glad to see that you at least got a response from Hyundai America.
 
Suggestion for diagnosis purposes which can be vital in helping find a failure cause ...... IF you can recreate or at minimum provide detail as to when (complete time line, I know it can be mind numbing) and the conditions as to when the concern occurs it WILL be of use to those who are charged with finding a solution at any level. Even the minor detail (hard brake pedal/no "bump" in shifter when brake depressed?) may be significance.

SS
 
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What was the damaged wire? Any idea what caused the damage to the wire?

The wire was traced inside an enclosure near the right wheel well. It was only partially broken, possibly by rodent damage. The day of my breakdown, a rabbit jumped inside my engine compartment. I opened the hood and it was thrashing about. Hyundai was fully informed of this. While the American dealership eventually had to give up and ship the car back to Canada by truck, the Canadian dealer found the problem in a very short time.

My story is an amazing one. Now I have a new problem, one that I gather many owners have and that Hyundai has not been able to solve.
 
The wire was traced inside an enclosure near the right wheel well. It was only partially broken, possibly by rodent damage. The day of my breakdown, a rabbit jumped inside my engine compartment. I opened the hood and it was thrashing about. Hyundai was fully informed of this. While the American dealership eventually had to give up and ship the car back to Canada by truck, the Canadian dealer found the problem in a very short time.

My story is an amazing one. Now I have a new problem, one that I gather many owners have and that Hyundai has not been able to solve.

Don't keep us in suspense.
 
The wire was traced inside an enclosure near the right wheel well. It was only partially broken, possibly by rodent damage. The day of my breakdown, a rabbit jumped inside my engine compartment. I opened the hood and it was thrashing about. Hyundai was fully informed of this. While the American dealership eventually had to give up and ship the car back to Canada by truck, the Canadian dealer found the problem in a very short time.

My story is an amazing one. Now I have a new problem, one that I gather many owners have and that Hyundai has not been able to solve.

Time to Lemon Law it if you qualify, with any luck they'll just swap you into a new one.
 
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