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[ahurst]

Why buy a Genesis now with 6-speed if they will offer an 8-speed auto in the 2010 model?

 

[Vlad92]

That's easy... you don't! You LEASE and in 24 months you pick out a new one!!!

 

[ultra63]

Better to lease than buy. The lease is only 2 years long. The current transmission on the V8 is fine. People complain about the ride not the transmission and they may not fix that until the new body style arrives.

 

[Mark_888]

Better to lease than buy. The lease is only 2 years long. The current transmission on the V8 is fine. People complain about the ride not the transmission and they may not fix that until the new body style arrives.

I think the V6 transmission is excellent. When I heard that the Genesis used an Aisin (V6) or ZF transmission (for V8), that made my buying decision a lot easier. It is not simple for a economy car company to come up with a sophisticated high-end and reliable transmission in a short time if they haver to design and manufacture it themselves.

 

[ahurst]

Hmmm...the special is 27 month lease...sounds like a plan

 

[scottdk]

Why buy a Genesis now with 6-speed if they will offer an 8-speed auto in the 2010 model?

Because all the cars with 7 or 8 speed transmissions suck when driving enthusiastically.

There are too many gears and the tranny gets confused on what gear to shift to when driving harder which has been mentioned on "Top Gear" about the lexus "IS F" and a number of other cars.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52HiQ8eONs"]YouTube - TopGear: BMW M3 vs. Lexus IS-F[/ame]

 

[ctrcbob]

Ditto to what scottdk said.

As it is, 6 speeds in an automatic are already two more than needed. The more gears in the transmission, the more the car lingers in the lower gears. When top gear in an
8 speed, or a 6 speed, or even a 4 speed is the same ratio, all the extra gears do is to stay in the lower gears longer. IMHO.

 

[Mark_888]

Ditto to what scottdk said.

As it is, 6 speeds in an automatic are already two more than needed. The more gears in the transmission, the more the car lingers in the lower gears. When top gear in an
8 speed, or a 6 speed, or even a 4 speed is the same ratio, all the extra gears do is to stay in the lower gears longer. IMHO.

Both transmissions have 2 over-drive gears for better gas mileage. Engines that powerful can support very high gear ratios, which is one reason the Genesis has pretty good gas mileage for a car of its size. 6 speeds is not too many IMO, for the Hyundai Genesis.

I have not driven the V8, but I am very pleased with the V6 engine and transmission. I would say it is as close to perfect as any car I have ever driven.

 

[kinetics]

Where are these 2010 specs coming from. Is there anything else that"ll be different in the 2010 genesis?

 

[moose66]

Where are these 2010 specs coming from. Is there anything else that"ll be different in the 2010 genesis?

That is a very good question. I was wondering the same thing. Seems like a lot of changes to a car with only one year currently in production (in the US anyway).

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[jwaters943]

Hilarious. Someone is actually citing Top Gear/Jeremy Clarkson as a reputable source.

I can tell by the comments that most of you have never driven a car w/ a 7 or 8-speed auto. MB, Infiniti & Lexus all make fantastic 7/8-speed autos. Aisin's 8-speed auto is actually lighter/smaller than the 6-speed used on the V6 Genesis and other Lexus vehicles. It also acheives better MPG, which is why ZF is working on their own 8-speed auto for use in Audi, BMW, etc.

 

[wallymn]

more gears is better? but I thought call cars still come with a powerglide 2 speed.....


the purpose of more gears is two fold,

1. allow the engine to stay near peak power

2. Allow the engine to reduce RPM as low a possible to maintain speed.


item 1 results in close ratio gearing (usually in the lower gears , for the ZF 1-4)

item 2 requires a very TALL final gear, (in the ZF 5-6 are overdrive )...


if you add more gears, the ratio can be closer, allowing the engine to stay near peak power. There is the thought that too many gears results in "loss" as shifts result in temporary loss of power. That is where double clutch setups show value as shifts under power are available.

 

[BigElm]

Where are these 2010 specs coming from. Is there anything else that"ll be different in the 2010 genesis?

That's because there's nothing official yet... there are strong rumors that it will.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/hyundai-developing-eight-speed-automatic-transmission.html

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/0...get-fuel-saving-8-speed-transmission-in-2010/

Obviously, don't think this change won't come without a price increase.

 

[Mark_888]

Two things:

1. If you read the articles (and not just the headlines) they both say that the Genesis will get the new transmission after 2010. One article says the Hyundai flagship sedan (Equus) will get the new tranny first in 2010 and that it will eventually trickle down to the Genesis later. The other article says the Genesis will get the new tranny after 2010 (no mention of the Equus).

2. The new tranny apparently will be a Hyundai designed and manufactured transmission (at least that is what the articles imply or even explicitly state).

Personally, I would rather stick with a Aisan 6-speed (or ZF 6-speed) than have a brand new Hyundai built 8-speed transmission.

 

[kinetics]

I agree Mark_888. But if they added paddle shifters I wouldn't mind the 8 gears. Wouldn't revs stay at a minimum in an only automatic trany with 8 gears?

 

[Mark_888]

I agree Mark_888. But if they added paddle shifters I wouldn't mind the 8 gears. Wouldn't revs stay at a minimum in an only automatic trany with 8 gears?

That's one way to do it. Another way is to not use a lead foot.

Reliability is 100 times more important to me than all that other stuff, especially with regard to a transmission.

With regard to fuel mileage, once you reach cruising speed and your tanny torque converter locks up in highest gear, I don't think there is any additional benefit to having more gears. If I am wrong, please correct me.

 

[wallymn]

That's one way to do it. Another way is to not use a lead foot.

Reliability is 100 times more important to me than all that other stuff, especially with regard to a transmission.

With regard to fuel mileage, once you reach cruising speed and your tanny torque converter locks up in highest gear, I don't think there is any additional benefit to having more gears. If I am wrong, please correct me.

You are both right and wrong, many transmissions now come with multiple overdrive transmissions, the ZF has 2, the final gear is 0.59:1 which is very very tall, with 5th gear still an over drive gear 0.72:1 . Not that long ago a trans would have 1 overdrive gear more in the 0.89 to .075 range. If you didn't have the extra gearing it would be quite a step from 4th (1:1) to .59:1

that final drive ratio is also why you can get 30 in the V8 on flat highways at 60 MPH.

 

[Mark_888]

You are both right and wrong, many transmissions now come with multiple overdrive transmissions, the ZF has 2, the final gear is 0.59:1 which is very very tall, with 5th gear still an over drive gear 0.72:1 . Not that long ago a trans would have 1 overdrive gear more in the 0.89 to .075 range. If you didn't have the extra gearing it would be quite a step from 4th (1:1) to .59:1

that final drive ratio is also why you can get 30 in the V8 on flat highways at 60 MPH.

Whoa, Nellie!!! (or Wally)

I already noted earlier in this thread that "Both [Genesis V6 and V8] transmissions have 2 over-drive gears for better gas mileage." The V6 actually has a taller 6th gear at 0.586:1 and the V8 top gear is 0.691:1.

Now the question is, what is the benefit of 2 more gears (8 total) on top of the 6 gears that we already have? Does that mean that the highest gear will be even taller? Maybe it will in the case of the V8, but I doubt it would in the V6.

Maybe there are some advantages in terms of acceleration, but the V6 is plenty fast for me. So as I already said, I will take reliability over 2 more gears any day of the week. I am not saying that an 8 speed transmission is automatically (no pun intended) more unreliable than a 6 speed, but I don't want a "newly designed" transmission, and no offense--I would prefer one from Aisan over one made by Hyundai.

 

[Michael_S]

I don't think it's blind faith to accept that automakers are investing in eight speed transmissions for real reasons, and not purely marketing.

There have been reliability hiccups with transmissions that have a lot of gears, and there have been plenty of cases where automakers did not program the shift logic correctly and the car lost power and efficiency because the transmission was often in the wrong gear.

But once the kinks are worked out, the extra gears do help.

Why buy a Genesis now with 6-speed if they will offer an 8-speed auto in the 2010 model?

Because the 8 speed transmission won't be available for at least another year, and when it is available the 6 speed transmission Genesis will be sold at a discount?