2014 3.8 fully loaded vs 5.0 r-spec?

[genesisorbust]

Hey guys,

Yet another dilemma
My local dealer has a fully loaded 3.8 (with tech package) and a 5.0 R-spec, same color, same interior; and I was able to test drive them both back to back (I never tried the V6 Genesis sedan before) - while 5.0 definitely packs more punch, I'm trying to figure out for myself if the price difference (TrueCar price for the R-Spec is about $3k more than the 3.8 tech - $39k and $36k respectively) and worse gas mileage is worth it - and I'm not sure that in my daily commute I will be able to appreciate the difference in horsepower more than a few of times a week, as the car itself kind of encouraged me to drive more relaxed than I usually do
I did kind of like the stiffer suspension on the R-spec, though.

Any of you guys did the math on projected resale values? I know that the 5-year residual for a R-spec is basically $3k more than the base 3.8, and I couldn't find any numbers for a fully loaded 3.8.
If the difference 5 years down the road is still going to be $3k, that kind of makes choosing an R-spec over 3.8 tech a no-brainer

 

[Hstead]

I am in a similar boat. I am trying to decide between the same two cars or a 2015 and I am pretty certain I am going to go with the R-Spec for the simple reason that it is too good of a deal to pass up. I am going to drive them all one more time when I am ready to buy, but from my research the R-spec is holding its value better than the Tech 3.8. I was looking at KBB values and also resale values on autotrader and the Tech is going for quite a bit less than a R-spec 3 years from now. So if you look at a 2012 R-spec and a 2012 Tech, according to KBB if they both have 30,000 miles in Very Good condition the R-spec is worth $32,127 and the Tech is worth $24,024 and I am looking at Trade in Value or whole sale.

When you look at Autotrader.com the 2012 R-spec with less than 45,000 miles is going from $29,000 to $35,000 retail asking price on dealer lots. You can find 2012 Techs with similar miles for $24,500 to $27,500.

So for my money, it looks like the R-spec is going to holds it value better and be a better bang for the buck. Although I am not sure I like the stiffer ride better than the 3.8 and I already know I really like the 2015 after driving it.

 

[kw88keys]

Two weeks ago I purchased the 2014 RSpec and love it having owned a 4.6 2011 before this. A much improved car. The deals are so good that I think it's an opportunity too good to pass up. The difference in price is small enough so as not to be too painful to step up. I suspect if you go with the 3.8, you will constantly look back and regret not getting the RSpec when this opportunity was at hand.

 

[darthspader]

I suspect if you go with the 3.8, you will constantly look back and regret not getting the RSpec when this opportunity was at hand.

^---I agree!

 

[craigt]

I have the 3.8 and do not regret it. At all. Strong engine, respectable mileage, and a more comfortable suspension. Living in New England and the pot holed roads, the firmer suspension would wreak havoc on my back. If they had a 5.0 with the non r-spec suspension (only 2012 had that), I would have been tempted.

Drive both and buy what you like. At those prices, the difference is negligible.

You should be able to do better than $36k for a 3.8. I got my 2013 (new with 16 miles) in mid April for a little under $34k. And that was before the 2015's hit the showrooms.

 

[genesisorbust]

I have the 3.8 and do not regret it. At all. Strong engine, respectable mileage, and a more comfortable suspension.

I guess it's a matter of personal preference - I felt that the r-spec's suspension was more solid, and the 3.8's suspension was a little bit too soft and bouncy to my taste, as my wife is prone to car sickness. Here in Cali roads are not great, but we do not have that many pot holes, and even R-spec's suspension was soft enough to eliminate the grinding noise of driving over uneven concrete highways. But again, I'm coming from an Infiniti G37, which is not even close to Genesis in comfort.
I drove both 3.8 and 5.0 and liked them both

You should be able to do better than $36k for a 3.8. I got my 2013 (new with 16 miles) in mid April for a little under $34k. And that was before the 2015's hit the showrooms.

I'm trying to find the deals through TrueCar using different zip codes, but even in you area the best price for 3.8 tech is only $500 less than where I'm at, and pretty much everywhere else it's more expensive. And usually TrueCar prices are lower than Edmunds and KBB "true market value".
Do you have some kind of a secret approach in getting the best pricing?

 

[craigt]

Truecar is a good place to start to at least inform you of what can be had without any negotiating. There is a thread on here where someone posted what they do when buying a car. It explained the dealer invoice vs factory invoice, a sample letter they send to various dealers, etc. I can't seem to find it, but look around. I saw it in the past month or so.

Edmunds and KBB is the average price that the "suckers" pay.

 

[Alwaysforward]

Here you go craigt... It is on the 2015 but gets your point across.

https://www.truecar.com/dash/1400257452883-267221/market/

2015 Hyundai Genesis Pricing Summary
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