most of you are clueless IMO!!!

[PriorityHyundaiVA]

earlier mentioned post....

I am sorry but the only way this will be worth it is if the car is much cheaper than that.

I honestly would be looking for starting in the high teens (16k base) low 20's for the 2.0T Track model, and would not expect much more than 25k for the V6 Track model.

This car has to be CHEAP, or it will not sell the number of units Hyundai is forcasting it will sell.

If any model breaks the 30K model then it is no longer worth it; After all this IS a Hyundai.. I would much rather go buy a lease retrun 370, G35, GTO, G8, 50Z, IS250, WRX, Evo etc. for 30k than buy a Hyundai.. as would 99% of the buyer market.. Only worth if it is cheap as hell.. You would think they learned that from the Tiberon..

what do they need to learn from the tibURON, this car is nowhere near meant to be a tiburon replacement, its attacking a whole different group as well as being priced reasonably enough to attract former tib owners, lmao.
do your homework before you respond.

you are completely clueless man, just a hyundai this, just a hyundai that..use your head when you comparing. this car is nowhere near what the tib was...and for you to involve pontiacs says a lot, even for a car that in a few months will only offer 3 models.a company that needed a bailout, etc..etc. and a g35 or 37 is a rebadged Z, an is250 a souped up corolla.

but anyway the coupe starts at 18-19 for the 2.0 I4t up to 26 for the 3.8 v6. the original price on this threads initial post is the pricing for the sedan. i hate when clowns beat on hyundai like all the cars they mentioned have always been on the top of their game. nissan(datsun), hondas and toyotas which represent 4 of the cars you just mentioned were all garbage cars back in the day, when they got good and raised prices, guess what people payed..why is it that hyundai cant do the same...same ignorant talk.

if thats how you or anyone else feel, why be on a hyundai site?, why search hyundai?, why look at em??
if i really thought something wasnt worth it i wouldnt spend 1 red cent on it much less 20 plus k. your on here for a reason so dont beat up a product you obviously are clueless about but yet are interested in.

Why do you think theres no such think as infiniti, lexus or acura overseas???? Y..because they know americans are all status driven so lets put more woodgrain and chrome, tighten the suspension up a bit and rebadge these cars and add 20 grand, their lol'in all the way to the bank on most of you. most of the parts on these cars are shared parts that ALL manufacturers use. is it gonna just say F it im not gonna work cuz im in a hyundai..lol..please. please make sense when making ridiculous comments.


what CHEAP manufacturers or non quality manufacturers can spend 15 million dollars on just superbowl commercials...where were the commercials for all those cars you just mentioned?? whos went from 12th largest manufacturer to 5th in a year and a half. who doesnt care if they lose money when you bring your car back if you lose your job in a year and thinking about giving people a 4 year lee-way in future? All your so-called giants aint offering you nothing but higher prices at the store, the gas station (premium gas) and service depts with their weak warranties. once again, clueless. have a good one, you need more info..ill give it to you.

Had to get this off my chest..sorry.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Priority, why don't you tell us how you really feel?
(For the record, I understand where you're coming from.)

 

[Wordman]

Well said, mate! This forum does seem to attract more than its fair share of wankers...

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Hey Priority!!! Lookee here!!!



AP – A GM sign sits in front of a long line of unsold 2009 Escalades at a Cadillac dealership in the southeast … DETROIT – General Motors' U.S. vehicle sales plunged 49 percent in January while Ford's sales dropped 40 percent, starting 2009 at an abysmal pace for the whole auto industry as lower sales to fleet buyers like rental car companies weighed down the results.

Toyota's sales dove 32 percent for the month, Nissan's dropped 30 percent and Honda's fell 28 percent, putting the overall industry on track for its fourth straight month in which U.S. sales plunged 30 percent or more.

But Subaru bucked the trend of declines for a second month in a row, posting an 8 percent sales increase, and Hyundai said its sales jumped 14 percent.

Hyundai credited its increase to its offer to cover a new vehicle's depreciation if customers return a car within 12 months because they are unable to make the payments.

"This program gets to the root cause of today's economic concerns — fear of job loss," Hyundai regional general manager Peter DiPersia said in a statement.

 

[YEH]

Priority - I think many of us here know that there is a Tib replacement in the works and that the Genesis Coupe is on a diff. level.

However, there tend to be clueless wankers who make their way onto every site.

 

[BigElm]

Now that you got that off your chest..... you can stop feeding the troll.

 

[kortERHorse_281]

i'm a proud Subaru owner. 2005 big turbo'd and tuned STi, but if the price is right, i will be trading it in for a V6GT Genesis Coupe.


carlos nice

 

[beowulf]

i'm a proud Subaru owner. 2005 big turbo'd and tuned STi, but if the price is right, i will be trading it in for a V6GT Genesis Coupe.


carlos nice

Ditto. Owned two Subies....'02 and a '08...I am willing to get 2.0 Genesis as soon as I read some reviews by the industry AND owners.

 

[YEH]

...as soon as I read some reviews by the industry AND owners.

The first couple of professional reviews have been raving (I'd say more so than for the sedan).

 

[Gadfly]

earlier mentioned post....



what do they need to learn from the tibURON, this car is nowhere near meant to be a tiburon replacement, its attacking a whole different group as well as being priced reasonably enough to attract former tib owners, lmao.
do your homework before you respond.

you are completely clueless man, just a hyundai this, just a hyundai that..use your head when you comparing. this car is nowhere near what the tib was...and for you to involve pontiacs says a lot, even for a car that in a few months will only offer 3 models.a company that needed a bailout, etc..etc. and a g35 or 37 is a rebadged Z, an is250 a souped up corolla.

but anyway the coupe starts at 18-19 for the 2.0 I4t up to 26 for the 3.8 v6. the original price on this threads initial post is the pricing for the sedan. i hate when clowns beat on hyundai like all the cars they mentioned have always been on the top of their game. nissan(datsun), hondas and toyotas which represent 4 of the cars you just mentioned were all garbage cars back in the day, when they got good and raised prices, guess what people payed..why is it that hyundai cant do the same...same ignorant talk.

if thats how you or anyone else feel, why be on a hyundai site?, why search hyundai?, why look at em??
if i really thought something wasnt worth it i wouldnt spend 1 red cent on it much less 20 plus k. your on here for a reason so dont beat up a product you obviously are clueless about but yet are interested in.

Why do you think theres no such think as infiniti, lexus or acura overseas???? Y..because they know americans are all status driven so lets put more woodgrain and chrome, tighten the suspension up a bit and rebadge these cars and add 20 grand, their lol'in all the way to the bank on most of you. most of the parts on these cars are shared parts that ALL manufacturers use. is it gonna just say F it im not gonna work cuz im in a hyundai..lol..please. please make sense when making ridiculous comments.


what CHEAP manufacturers or non quality manufacturers can spend 15 million dollars on just superbowl commercials...where were the commercials for all those cars you just mentioned?? whos went from 12th largest manufacturer to 5th in a year and a half. who doesnt care if they lose money when you bring your car back if you lose your job in a year and thinking about giving people a 4 year lee-way in future? All your so-called giants aint offering you nothing but higher prices at the store, the gas station (premium gas) and service depts with their weak warranties. once again, clueless. have a good one, you need more info..ill give it to you.

Had to get this off my chest..sorry.

Clueless eh?

First of all, I never said that the Genesis Coupe will be Tiburon replacement.. I simple pointed out that you would think that Hyundai learned their lesson from it. In you vast and infinite automotive knowledge you surely remember when the last version of the Tiburon as about to be released and was making the auto show circuits how the car was positioned correct? The car's projected demographic and estimated sales numbers? Remember when all of that was revised even before the end of the run of the first model year? I do; and it was those lessons I was referring to.
Never did I compare the G.C to a Tiburon, imply that it was in a similar class, or that it was aimed at the same demographic.. in fact.. I am not even sure how you pulled that one out of your ass.

I did mention a GM vehicle, the Holden built GTO, despite GM's issues the fact of the matter is, for @20-22k you can pick up a clean 06 GTO, 400hp V8, RWD, nice leather interior, 6spd, and it happens very well balanced and well behaved car. It is definitely an open market competitor to the Genesis coupe.. so what am I missing?
Yes.. Infinity is a Nissan brand, as Kia is a Hyundai brand.... However.. I do not believe that Infinity sells a rebadged 350Z, or a rebadged 370Z.. unless I missed something really major.. Yes Nissan shares common engine and chassis platforms between models and brands.. But that is also true with every auto manufacture as a way to keep production and R&D costs down. So what am I missing here? What is your point exactly? Yes Infinity and Lexus are luxury brands, but so what? My point was is that for the same price points being discussed at the start of this thread there was options. You can call me clueless all you want, but if you think that Hyundai does not need to compete in the open market, then I welcome you to go review those economics, and business 101 text books (Not that you sound very educated in the first place...)
Now if you want to talk about being clueless, your comment about the IS250 being a supped up corolla is about as clueless as it gets.. The IS250/350 does not use the same engines, chassis, transmissions, or even the same layout..(being that the corolla is FWD, and the IS is RWD) as a corolla.. So if I may be so bold.. WTF are you talking about? Having driven an IS350, both on the streets, and on the track I can tell you that it feels, and drives NOTHING like a corolla.. And go figure.. Because it IS nothing like a corolla.. lol.
True enough Infinity, Lexus, and Acura did start in the USA (Being the world’s largest automotive market, and facing the import tariffs of the day, the USA was the best place to launch these new brands), but they are now global brands and are sold in many countries overseas. Don't bother trying to argue that one, last summer while in Prague I had a Lexus rent car; and you say I'm clueless? haha...
Now if you want to talk about the brand positioning of Hyundai, vs. other "imports", fine.

Datsan (Nissan), Toyota, Mazda (pre-ford buyout), etc. did all start in the USA as budget brands, but they always were about build quality, reliability, and fuel economy. Let us not forget how Hyundai got started in the USA.. The primary model offered by Hyundai, the Excel, was a freaking POS. Hyundai themselves then choose to position themselves, and their brand as a budget brand. That said... They have made VAST improvements to their quality control, and build quality since the 1980's, and though the 90's they continued to improve. I do believe that Hyundai is taking the correct steps to re-position the brand, and cars like the Genesis Sedan, and the Coupe will definitely help them with that... but the fact of the matter is at this point in time in order to compete they need to be cheaper than the competition. Given equal cars, 99% of American car buyers would take a Toyota over a Hyundai at equal price points. You may disagree with that 99%, it may be unfounded, but right now, that is just the way it is.
As to your comments about cheap manufactures who can't afford a 12million dollar commercial obviously has no clue about the basic economics of global corporations... so I will leave that one alone..

In no way did I beat up on the GC, I just simply stated that the pricing model posted at the start of this thread is too high, Anyway.. as to why I am interested in the Genesis coupe. I am interested in a Genesis coupe as a business venture. I build and tune cars, and I believe that Hyundai could have a home run on their hands. If the car is priced correctly, the Genesis coupe is well positioned to replace the older fleet of tuner platforms. I believe that WRX owners, Evo owners, 240sx owners, and even the ricer boy civic owners will flock to this car as a low cost RWD platform to which they buy thousands and thousands of dollars worth of performance parts. So far.. Most of SEMA's members seem to agree with me.
At current I already have a few products in the works, to include a fuel system upgrade, larger turbo upgrade kit, Downpipes, exhausts, front mount intercooler kits. etc. etc. My goal is to offer staged performance packages that will take the GC 2.0LT well beyond 600rwhp. (Granted you will most likely need to build the entire drive train.. but there will be the people will do it.)

So.. now.. I pointed out how worthless your double post was, how you were wrong in just about everything you said, and pointed out how you ranted about things I didn't even say in the first place... It is my pleasure to present you with this award:

LMAO.. tool

PS. It is VERY late, so I apologize to everyone for what I am sure is a slew of spelling and grammar errors.

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[pm1234]

LOL

Well said.

 

[PriorityHyundaiVA]

Clueless eh?

First of all, I never said that the Genesis Coupe will be Tiburon replacement.. I simple pointed out that you would think that Hyundai learned their lesson from it. In you vast and infinite automotive knowledge you surely remember when the last version of the Tiburon as about to be released and was making the auto show circuits how the car was positioned correct? The car's projected demographic and estimated sales numbers? Remember when all of that was revised even before the end of the run of the first model year? I do; and it was those lessons I was referring to.
Never did I compare the G.C to a Tiburon, imply that it was in a similar class, or that it was aimed at the same demographic.. in fact.. I am not even sure how you pulled that one out of your ass.

I did mention a GM vehicle, the Holden built GTO, despite GM's issues the fact of the matter is, for @20-22k you can pick up a clean 06 GTO, 400hp V8, RWD, nice leather interior, 6spd, and it happens very well balanced and well behaved car. It is definitely an open market competitor to the Genesis coupe.. so what am I missing?
Yes.. Infinity is a Nissan brand, as Kia is a Hyundai brand.... However.. I do not believe that Infinity sells a rebadged 350Z, or a rebadged 370Z.. unless I missed something really major.. Yes Nissan shares common engine and chassis platforms between models and brands.. But that is also true with every auto manufacture as a way to keep production and R&D costs down. So what am I missing here? What is your point exactly? Yes Infinity and Lexus are luxury brands, but so what? My point was is that for the same price points being discussed at the start of this thread there was options. You can call me clueless all you want, but if you think that Hyundai does not need to compete in the open market, then I welcome you to go review those economics, and business 101 text books (Not that you sound very educated in the first place...)
Now if you want to talk about being clueless, your comment about the IS250 being a supped up corolla is about as clueless as it gets.. The IS250/350 does not use the same engines, chassis, transmissions, or even the same layout..(being that the corolla is FWD, and the IS is RWD) as a corolla.. So if I may be so bold.. WTF are you talking about? Having driven an IS350, both on the streets, and on the track I can tell you that it feels, and drives NOTHING like a corolla.. And go figure.. Because it IS nothing like a corolla.. lol.
True enough Infinity, Lexus, and Acura did start in the USA (Being the world’s largest automotive market, and facing the import tariffs of the day, the USA was the best place to launch these new brands), but they are now global brands and are sold in many countries overseas. Don't bother trying to argue that one, last summer while in Prague I had a Lexus rent car; and you say I'm clueless? haha...
Now if you want to talk about the brand positioning of Hyundai, vs. other "imports", fine.

Datsan (Nissan), Toyota, Mazda (pre-ford buyout), etc. did all start in the USA as budget brands, but they always were about build quality, reliability, and fuel economy. Let us not forget how Hyundai got started in the USA.. The primary model offered by Hyundai, the Excel, was a freaking POS. Hyundai themselves then choose to position themselves, and their brand as a budget brand. That said... They have made VAST improvements to their quality control, and build quality since the 1980's, and though the 90's they continued to improve. I do believe that Hyundai is taking the correct steps to re-position the brand, and cars like the Genesis Sedan, and the Coupe will definitely help them with that... but the fact of the matter is at this point in time in order to compete they need to be cheaper than the competition. Given equal cars, 99% of American car buyers would take a Toyota over a Hyundai at equal price points. You may disagree with that 99%, it may be unfounded, but right now, that is just the way it is.
As to your comments about cheap manufactures who can't afford a 12million dollar commercial obviously has no clue about the basic economics of global corporations... so I will leave that one alone..

In no way did I beat up on the GC, I just simply stated that the pricing model posted at the start of this thread is too high, Anyway.. as to why I am interested in the Genesis coupe. I am interested in a Genesis coupe as a business venture. I build and tune cars, and I believe that Hyundai could have a home run on their hands. If the car is priced correctly, the Genesis coupe is well positioned to replace the older fleet of tuner platforms. I believe that WRX owners, Evo owners, 240sx owners, and even the ricer boy civic owners will flock to this car as a low cost RWD platform to which they buy thousands and thousands of dollars worth of performance parts. So far.. Most of SEMA's members seem to agree with me.
At current I already have a few products in the works, to include a fuel system upgrade, larger turbo upgrade kit, Downpipes, exhausts, front mount intercooler kits. etc. etc. My goal is to offer staged performance packages that will take the GC 2.0LT well beyond 600rwhp. (Granted you will most likely need to build the entire drive train.. but there will be the people will do it.)

So.. now.. I pointed out how worthless your double post was, how you were wrong in just about everything you said, and pointed out how you ranted about things I didn't even say in the first place... It is my pleasure to present you with this award:

LMAO.. tool

PS. It is VERY late, so I apologize to everyone for what I am sure is a slew of spelling and grammar errors.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[EdVoylesHyundai]

Datsan (Nissan), Toyota, Mazda (pre-ford buyout), etc. did all start in the USA as budget brands, but they always were about build quality, reliability, and fuel economy. Let us not forget how Hyundai got started in the USA.. The primary model offered by Hyundai, the Excel, was a freaking POS.

Ron, I am sick and tired (literally) and do not have the energy to formulate a response to your entire post, so I am picking one point about which you are dead wrong.

I see you have a particular love for Toyota (as do I), but in your haste to make a point, you have forgotten some of your Toyota history. The first Toyota to come to the US was the Crown, in 1957....see below, quoted from Wikipedia (only b/c it is convenient and I am tired):

Exports of the first Japanese car to the United States began in 1957 [3] and ended in 1960. The reception of the car was horrible. As a publicity stunt to demonstrate the car's reliability, Toyota did what many American automakers had done earlier; they staged a coast-to-coast endurance run from Los Angeles to New York. As things turned out, the Toyopet was barely able to limp into Las Vegas before the project had to be called off. Since the car was designed for the muddy, slow, unpaved Japanese roads, it failed the mass urban landscape of the US because of its inability to keep up with traffic on the faster intestate highways [4]. Unknown to Toyota, they just designed a very high quality sedan on a truck like chassis. The overbuilt heavy body was no match for the original 1.5L 4-cylinder. To try and remedy this, a newer, more powerful engine was expected to be the solution, but the improvements did little to help. In 1960 the Crown stopped being imported to the US market. Many unhappy dealers were left with large amounts of stock. The Tiara and Land Cruiser would be the only cars imported until the second generation Crown was available five years later. This is the car that gave Americans a bad image of Japanese built vehicles. It was solid, but being underpowered, uncomfortable and lacking some basic amenities while costing more than similar offerings from Europe sealed its fate.

The point is, everybody has to start somewhere. Hyundai started out with a car that was affordable to many, many people who had never been able to buy a new car. They sold 168,882 of them in the first year, setting a record for first-year import sales and trouncing Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan first year sales. Forbes magazine named the Excel a top 10 new product! I was talking to one of our techs who has been here over 20yrs and he said he saw so many people buy these cars (the Excel) and just drive them. They didn't do maintenance b/c they were new cars and you don't have to maintain new cars. That was their mindset. I am not saying that the car was great, but it got a bad rap partly because many people did not maintain them and just expected them to last forever.

The difference is, if you are old enough to experience Toyota's failure when they originally hit the US market, you are pushing 70. Hyundai's blunder was less than 25 years ago and is much fresher in our minds.

An aside, Ron, any relation to Ken Henderson? I have drooled over his car for years. Oh, and the link in your sig is broken (perhaps mispelled). I am looking forward to the products you produce for the Genesis Coupe.

 

[Gadfly]

Ron, I am sick and tired (literally) and do not have the energy to formulate a response to your entire post, so I am picking one point about which you are dead wrong.

I see you have a particular love for Toyota (as do I), but in your haste to make a point, you have forgotten some of your Toyota history. The first Toyota to come to the US was the Crown, in 1957....see below, quoted from Wikipedia (only b/c it is convenient and I am tired):


The point is, everybody has to start somewhere. Hyundai started out with a car that was affordable to many, many people who had never been able to buy a new car. They sold 168,882 of them in the first year, setting a record for first-year import sales and trouncing Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan first year sales. Forbes magazine named the Excel a top 10 new product! I was talking to one of our techs who has been here over 20yrs and he said he saw so many people buy these cars (the Excel) and just drive them. They didn't do maintenance b/c they were new cars and you don't have to maintain new cars. That was their mindset. I am not saying that the car was great, but it got a bad rap partly because many people did not maintain them and just expected them to last forever.

The difference is, if you are old enough to experience Toyota's failure when they originally hit the US market, you are pushing 70. Hyundai's blunder was less than 25 years ago and is much fresher in our minds.

An aside, Ron, any relation to Ken Henderson? I have drooled over his car for years. Oh, and the link in your sig is broken (perhaps mispelled). I am looking forward to the products you produce for the Genesis Coupe.

I did know when toyota was first introduced to the states, but I was not around personally.. Yes the 1950's toyota's were hardly the quality pieces we have all come to love, but compared to the 1950's american cars, they were much better built, by the early 1960's Toyota was selling double overhead cam engines, and in some VERY rare models, mechanical fuel injection. There rates of advancement and use of new technology was estabilished very early in the companies history here in the states.

As to the lack of maintance, perhaps that is true, I can tell you that my older sister's Excel was very well maintained, but that did not stop the tranny from crapping out, the CV joints from failing all the time, and having more oil lea.

The reasons are not important, the fact remains that Hyundai positioned itself as a budget brand. Selling reliable, inexpensive cars with very little in terms of style, or luxury.

Nothing wrong with being a budget brand, but if they want to change it It will take longer than a year or two to reposition that brand, and it will take more than one car model to do it.

That is the point I am was to make. To compete right now the Hyundai either has to be significantly better, or significantly cheaper than it's compitition

If you have a BMW, Toyota, Nissan, MB, Lexus, Infinity, Mazda, (for most americans even Ford and Chevy) side by side with a Hyundai, same price, same quality, same features, same performance etc. etc. 99% of american car buyers will buy the any of the other brands over the Hyundai. Nothing to get panties all in a wad about.. it is just the way that Hyundai choose to position it's brand.

Given the released Canadian pricing structure.. It would appear that Hyundai is thinking along the same lines as I am.. pricing the entry point in the high teens, 2.0L T track in the low to mid 20's, and toping out the v6 in the high 20's, and the track model just over the 30k line... Preatty damn close to what I had suggested....I just don't think it is a good idea to break the 30k mark..

 

[PriorityHyundaiVA]

i did know when toyota was first introduced to the states, but i was not around personally.. Yes the 1950's toyota's were hardly the quality pieces we have all come to love, but compared to the 1950's american cars, they were much better built, by the early 1960's toyota was selling double overhead cam engines, and in some very rare models, mechanical fuel injection. There rates of advancement and use of new technology was estabilished very early in the companies history here in the states.

As to the lack of maintance, perhaps that is true, i can tell you that my older sister's excel was very well maintained, but that did not stop the tranny from crapping out, the cv joints from failing all the time, and having more oil lea. :d

the reasons are not important, the fact remains that hyundai positioned itself as a budget brand. Selling reliable, inexpensive cars with very little in terms of style, or luxury.

Nothing wrong with being a budget brand, but if they want to change it it will take longer than a year or two to reposition that brand, and it will take more than one car model to do it.

That is the point i am was to make. To compete right now the hyundai either has to be significantly better, or significantly cheaper than it's compitition

if you have a bmw, toyota, nissan, mb, lexus, infinity, mazda, (for most americans even ford and chevy) side by side with a hyundai, same price, same quality, same features, same performance etc. Etc. 99% of american car buyers will buy the any of the other brands over the hyundai. Nothing to get panties all in a wad about.. It is just the way that hyundai choose to position it's brand.

Given the released canadian pricing structure.. It would appear that hyundai is thinking along the same lines as i am.. Pricing the entry point in the high teens, 2.0l t track in the low to mid 20's, and toping out the v6 in the high 20's, and the track model just over the 30k line... Preatty damn close to what i had suggested....i just don't think it is a good idea to break the 30k mark..

1 or 2 years, hyundai has been on the upswing since about 2001 when they took a billion dollars and redesigned every model they have, this is not a oh lets get things right within the last cpl years and hope people buy into it, are you serious??

 

[EdVoylesHyundai]

I did know when toyota was first introduced to the states, but I was not around personally.. Yes the 1950's toyota's were hardly the quality pieces we have all come to love, but compared to the 1950's american cars, they were much better built, by the early 1960's Toyota was selling double overhead cam engines, and in some VERY rare models, mechanical fuel injection. There rates of advancement and use of new technology was estabilished very early in the companies history here in the states.

As to the lack of maintance, perhaps that is true, I can tell you that my older sister's Excel was very well maintained, but that did not stop the tranny from crapping out, the CV joints from failing all the time, and having more oil lea.

The reasons are not important, the fact remains that Hyundai positioned itself as a budget brand. Selling reliable, inexpensive cars with very little in terms of style, or luxury.

Nothing wrong with being a budget brand, but if they want to change it It will take longer than a year or two to reposition that brand, and it will take more than one car model to do it.

That is the point I am was to make. To compete right now the Hyundai either has to be significantly better, or significantly cheaper than it's compitition

If you have a BMW, Toyota, Nissan, MB, Lexus, Infinity, Mazda, (for most americans even Ford and Chevy) side by side with a Hyundai, same price, same quality, same features, same performance etc. etc. 99% of american car buyers will buy the any of the other brands over the Hyundai. Nothing to get panties all in a wad about.. it is just the way that Hyundai choose to position it's brand.

Given the released Canadian pricing structure.. It would appear that Hyundai is thinking along the same lines as I am.. pricing the entry point in the high teens, 2.0L T track in the low to mid 20's, and toping out the v6 in the high 20's, and the track model just over the 30k line... Preatty damn close to what I had suggested....I just don't think it is a good idea to break the 30k mark..

Well said. Once those companies mentioned above start building a car of the same quality (etc..) at the same price as Hyundai, we are in trouble. For now, we are gladly accepting Mercedes, Lexus and BMW trade-ins hand over fist on the Genesis and we hope to see that trend continue.

 

[BigElm]

Ok... one thing I will point out and know for sure... When Toyota and Honda were introduced to the US... they had a very hard time selling their vehicles, hence to the point of bankruptcy. Apart from their poor reliability and so forth. Google it for your entertainment. Let's not get into the 'superiority' of "imports" because they had a hard lesson to learn on how to do things right. Hyundai has taken less time to adapt and make changes because of Toyota and Honda's experience. But I'm not going to ramble on it.. if it interests you, you'll find it via Google.

Another thing I'm going to make very clear.... if we cannot converse amongst each other in this community without insults or offensive remarks, you will force us (Mods) to make you take a vacation from posting on this site. Please respect each other... this is not Elementary school.

 

[Gadfly]

1 or 2 years, hyundai has been on the upswing since about 2001 when they took a billion dollars and redesigned every model they have, this is not a oh lets get things right within the last cpl years and hope people buy into it, are you serious??

I find it funny that out of all the rubbish you spouted this is the only thing you can come up with? HAHAHAHA.. Don't you have something to do more suited to your strong points? Like go inflatable a giant Gorilla, or hang banners around the dealership? ROFL...

Yes... I am serious. It has only been in the last 1-2 model years that Hyundai has seriously been redefining its brand name. Honestly the genesis sedan is really the only model that has had any success at redefining Hyundai's brand, but even still; is it not marketed as a cheaper alternative to Hyundai's competition? Isn’t the main marketing point on the Genesis that it is everything that you can get with the other cars, but cheaper?
Doesn’t that follow exactly what I said? Hyundai’s have to be significantly cheaper, or significantly better at the same price point to sell? Yes. I believe it is.

The 2001 overall was well needed, and it worked. Hyundai increased its sales, and their vehicles received much better ratings by J.D Power and associates, and more importantly the warranty costs decreased significantly, providing long term cost savings, and an increase in profits. If you had bothered to read what I had wrote, you would clearly see where I praise Hyundai for the incredible strides that they had made in improving their products, So once again I have NO idea what you are on about, or what you are bitching about. Repositioning a brand is a completely different then investing in R&D to overall the product line.

Are you ever right about anything?

Just in case you don’t understand what happened in this thread, let me remind you.. You made a stupid reply in another thread.. You were so proud of making yourself look like an idiot that you copied that reply, and started a new thread. (Bad forum manners no matter how you slice it)

In this reply;
- You jumped to huge conclusions, which were incorrect
- Made pointless retorts to issues and statements that were never made in the first place
- Rambled off complete nonsense about other car models, and the auto industry in general
- Made incorrect factual statements
- Corrected a small spelling mistake in big bold print, while using some of the worst grammar in recorded history….

Then you post again where you spout of completely irrelevant information, and try to argue a point that was never made in the first place…

 

[turner02]

I find it funny that out of all the rubbish you spouted this is the only thing you can come up with? HAHAHAHA.. Don't you have something to do more suited to your strong points? Like go inflatable a giant Gorilla, or hang banners around the dealership? ROFL...

Yes... I am serious. It has only been in the last 1-2 model years that Hyundai has seriously been redefining its brand name. Honestly the genesis sedan is really the only model that has had any success at redefining Hyundai's brand, but even still; is it not marketed as a cheaper alternative to Hyundai's competition? Isn’t the main marketing point on the Genesis that it is everything that you can get with the other cars, but cheaper?
Doesn’t that follow exactly what I said? Hyundai’s have to be significantly cheaper, or significantly better at the same price point to sell? Yes. I believe it is.

The 2001 overall was well needed, and it worked. Hyundai increased its sales, and their vehicles received much better ratings by J.D Power and associates, and more importantly the warranty costs decreased significantly, providing long term cost savings, and an increase in profits. If you had bothered to read what I had wrote, you would clearly see where I praise Hyundai for the incredible strides that they had made in improving their products, So once again I have NO idea what you are on about, or what you are bitching about. Repositioning a brand is a completely different then investing in R&D to overall the product line.

Are you ever right about anything?

Just in case you don’t understand what happened in this thread, let me remind you.. You made a stupid reply in another thread.. You were so proud of making yourself look like an idiot that you copied that reply, and started a new thread. (Bad forum manners no matter how you slice it)

In this reply;
- You jumped to huge conclusions, which were incorrect
- Made pointless retorts to issues and statements that were never made in the first place
- Rambled off complete nonsense about other car models, and the auto industry in general
- Made incorrect factual statements
- Corrected a small spelling mistake in big bold print, while using some of the worst grammar in recorded history….

Then you post again where you spout of completely irrelevant information, and try to argue a point that was never made in the first place…

Hey, just cut it out. you're the one that came on here and degraded Hyundai as if this company is worthless. just shut it already.

 

[BigElm]

Gadfly, I was very clear. There won't be a next time.