Considering new 2013 3.8 for < $25k. How is reliability?

[ppg677]

Thanks all. I drove it home today for $24500.

 

[craigt]

Bridgestone touranza serenity plus are good for ride/comfort, as are most Michelin tires (other than MXM4).

The Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires that came on my '13 3.8 Tech are the absoslute worst tires I have ever driven on. Spongy, squeal, bouncey, etc. It's like riding on winter tires, but they aren't winter tires. I may get an extra 1-2 mpg, but it's not worth it.

Can't wait for them to wear out to justify buying new tires. My fear is they'll last 40k-50k miles.

Though I've never been a fan of the brand, but others have recommended Continental ExtremeContact DWS. I'll consider those when the time comes. Or perhaps Hankook Ventus S1 noble2.

 

[GenesisCaptain]

The Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires that came on my '13 3.8 Tech are the absoslute worst tires I have ever driven on. Spongy, squeal, bouncey, etc. It's like riding on winter tires, but they aren't winter tires. I may get an extra 1-2 mpg, but it's not worth it.

Strong criticisms of the Michelin Energy Saver tires are rare. I'm curious what other tires you have owned that you have liked a lot.

I love my Michelins, and it is one of the reasons I went for the 2012 instead of a 2011. My favorite tires in this size are the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. I have a few years, but I am still undecided if I will buy another set of the same or jump to the PS.

 

[craigt]

Strong criticisms of the Michelin Energy Saver tires are rare. I'm curious what other tires you have owned that you have liked a lot.

My wife's RX (both former RX300 and current RX350) are on Michelins and they are great. Relatively quiet, good traction in snow, long life. They cost more for a reason, and they are my go-to brand for her SUV.

I have owned various brands of tires and styles (summer, a/s, and winter). I have no idea how these "Energy" tires will fare in snow, but in warm weather, I can't stand them. When taking a turn, even at very slow speeds, I can hear the tread rolling over. I have adjusted tire pressure up and down. Maybe they belong on a car with less power and/or weight.

 

[stuofsci02]

The Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires that came on my '13 3.8 Tech are the absoslute worst tires I have ever driven on. Spongy, squeal, bouncey, etc. It's like riding on winter tires, but they aren't winter tires. I may get an extra 1-2 mpg, but it's not worth it.

Can't wait for them to wear out to justify buying new tires. My fear is they'll last 40k-50k miles.

Though I've never been a fan of the brand, but others have recommended Continental ExtremeContact DWS. I'll consider those when the time comes. Or perhaps Hankook Ventus S1 noble2.

Wow.. I have found these to be excellent tires on my 12 Tech... One of the best OEM tires I have had actually...

 

[technopeasant]

Wow.. I have found these to be excellent tires on my 12 Tech... One of the best OEM tires I have had actually...

I concur. The 235/50R18 Michelin Energy Savers are a pretty decent all weather tire. I hit triple digits daily, carve hairpins and run year round with 'em in light snow too. But am pretty careful not to take them past 7/10ths because this isn't a low slung 2-seater.

 

[craigt]

Maybe I'm expecting too much out of a tire. I feel like the sidewall stiffness is very lacking and feel they are just rolling over when turning. On my way home from work, there is T intersection of a country road. I stop on a slight incline and turn left. No matter how little gas I give, the tires chirp. I can't stand it.

What pressure do you run in your tires to be able to take hairpin turns without the tires squealing like a piglet?

It is good to hear that they can survive light snow. I'll find out this winter.

 

[GenesisCaptain]

What pressure do you run in your tires to be able to take hairpin turns without the tires squealing like a piglet?

I am running the factory pressure. I don't think that I have every heard mine chirp or squeal. And I have done my share of fun driving. I wonder if you have a bad tire or an alignment issue?

I ran the same size 18" tires on my last two cars as the Energy Savers. I put 160K miles on those cars, so I am familiar with a number of different tire brands and models in this same class. The Energy Savers compare very well-- I rank them below the Pilot Sport A/S, but above almost everything else.

 

[craigt]

I am running the factory pressure. I don't think that I have every heard mine chirp or squeal. And I have done my share of fun driving. I wonder if you have a bad tire or an alignment issue?

I ran the same size 18" tires on my last two cars as the Energy Savers. I put 160K miles on those cars, so I am familiar with a number of different tire brands and models in this same class. The Energy Savers compare very well-- I rank them below the Pilot Sport A/S, but above almost everything else.

I think Michelin changed the "formula" of these tires, based on what I've seen here and reading TireRack reviews. There are numerous reports of people complaining that the ride is too rough due to the stiff sidewall, and numerous others complaining the sidewall is too soft. Some think it's amazing in the snow, others wouldn't take it out even with a 1/2 inch. Some say it has amazing grip, others say it loses traction on the painted crosswalks.

Needless to say, I don't like whatever version is on my car and looking forward to them wearing out.

 

[Gunkk]

Craigt: sounds like you need Michelin Pilot Super Sports as your next (summer) tire.

Had these on my 2009 and loved them. Phenomenal wet and dry grip. VERY stable in the corners, and a nice high load rating to handle the Genny's weight. Night and day performance difference versus the Energy Savers on my 2012.

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[craigt]

Craigt: sounds like you need Michelin Pilot Super Sports as your next (summer) tire.

Had these on my 2009 and loved them. Phenomenal wet and dry grip. VERY stable in the corners, and a nice high load rating to handle the Genny's weight. Night and day performance difference versus the Energy Savers on my 2012.

Perhaps. I find the higher end Michelins to be too expensive. I'll evaluate when the time comes and balance all the characteristics I'm looking for - sometimes Michelin has a good rebate program. At that time, I will strongly consider getting summer only tires and winter rims/tires.

Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[geops]

If you want low price and great peformance (summer) you should look at Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position. I love these tires - perfect if you want performance and still very quiet and not-harsh riding.

 

[craigt]

Thanks for the suggestion!

I'm done hijacking this thread..