Same league as BMW and Mercedes!

[AgentSmith007]

*cringes* at the site of the Bentley, or the Genesis for that matter, not parked on an "end" parking spot where there's no car on one side.

Well, I usually park in the spot where there are no parked cars around, but this time I had to park next to Bentley when I saw it and take picture.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I think it's good to park these cars next to top tier luxury cars once in awhile. Let them see how far Hyundai has come. Hyundai deserves some respect. They may not be 100% on par with brands like Mercedes, Audi or BMW (show me the S65, S8 and 760Li at Hyundai) - but they're damn close - and for the money - a BETTER deal hands down...

 

[Bill K]

The new two bar grill on most of the E Class Mercedes makes the car look like crap. The 09-14 Genesis kills the new E class in styling.
The 5 series BMW styling is a little better than the Genesis......I'm not a fan of the 15 Genesis. It reminds me of a Sonata.

 

[Gunkk]

Fu fu fu fu.... Fusion!

 

[homeofstone]

I think it's good to park these cars next to top tier luxury cars once in awhile. Let them see how far Hyundai has come. Hyundai deserves some respect. They may not be 100% on par with brands like Mercedes, Audi or BMW (show me the S65, S8 and 760Li at Hyundai) - but they're damn close - and for the money - a BETTER deal hands down...

Yes. A better deal and more reliable.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Yes. A better deal and more reliable.

I'm curious about reliability. If you look at JD Power reliability ratings, Hyundai isn't exactly at the top of the list. Is it different with the Genesis Sedan? Are they typically more reliable than other Hyundai models? With all the technology you would have to imagine "no".

 

[homeofstone]

I'm curious about reliability. If you look at JD Power reliability ratings, Hyundai isn't exactly at the top of the list. Is it different with the Genesis Sedan? Are they typically more reliable than other Hyundai models? With all the technology you would have to imagine "no".

This was a comparison between BMW, Mercedes, and Hyundai. That said, I can say that my 2011 Genesis is much more reliable than my Mercedes. The Genesis has 153,000 miles and no problems other than a recent check engine light that was a sensor which was replaced at a cost of about $350.00. My 2011 Mercedes with 60,000 miles has had a $800.00 electrical repair, a $500.00 DIS knob replaced, and $1010.00 pano roof repair,

 

[dmitriylm]

I'm curious about reliability. If you look at JD Power reliability ratings, Hyundai isn't exactly at the top of the list. Is it different with the Genesis Sedan? Are they typically more reliable than other Hyundai models? With all the technology you would have to imagine "no".

Although this only applies to my experience and is not necessarily indicative of what someone else may experience I can say that out of all of the car I've owned the three Hyundai's I've had (2002 Accent, 2011 Genesis Coupe, 2010 Genesis Sedna) have been the most reliable.

Here is the list:

1995 Nissan 300ZX
2002 Hyundai Accent (first car, learned to drive manual on it in high school, sold it to a friend and he had over 150k on it)
2002 Honda Accord (transmission failure)
2003 Infiniti G35 (transmission failure)
2006 Nissan Maxima (transmission failures)
2007 BMW 530i (sunroof needed recalibration wouldn't close, coolant leakage, steering lock failure could not start car or turn wheel)
2009 Ford Fusion
2010 Hyundai Genesis Sedan
2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

 

[Sal Collaziano]

It sounds like the Genesis is a reliable car - at least from your experiences. I wonder which Hyundai vehicles place the brand near the bottom of the "reliability" list...

 

[amartz]

*cringes* at the site of the Bentley, or the Genesis for that matter, not parked on an "end" parking spot where there's no car on one side.

Parks next to the cart return, no less! Here's my parking lot pics:

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[Sal Collaziano]

Parks next to the cart return, no less! Here's my parking lot pics:

Looking good. Still sporting the Hyundai badge, I see!

 

[kn5owa]

Actually, I looked at e-class merc's and I don't think they're in the same league at all - I found them almost impossible to drive - all the whiz-bang gadgets were very user-unfriendly.

As for BMW's, I never understood the mystique.

Considered a Tesla for awhile - too many issues came up.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Actually, I looked at e-class merc's and I don't think they're in the same league at all - I found them almost impossible to drive - all the whiz-bang gadgets were very user-unfriendly.

As for BMW's, I never understood the mystique.

Considered a Tesla for awhile - too many issues came up.

What exactly do you mean about the E-Class? You just get in and drive. You don't need to use the features if you don't want to.

 

[kn5owa]

I can just get in and drive my '06 Sonata.

One does not do this with current, more pricier cars - at least in my experience.

Case in point - My beloved new Genesis - when you get in - the display shows a warning display - which I apparently can't get rid of.

Then I have to call up a climate screen to set the ac/vents as needed.

Then, I usually call up the radio on the menu screen to get traffic reports. The voice recognition is cumbersome and useless.

Then I can drive the car - but only if I have preconfigured all of the sonar/radar alert features, and driving preferences for the car.

The Merc's and other pricier new cars have all this stuff and more. I found the implementation on the Genesis more user friendly as was also noted in many of the reviews that I read.

The genny is really outstanding on the basics like steering, suspension, power, gas mileage, etc. once you get that sucker going!

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I thought you could just turn off options that you don't need in settings and be done with it? You have to turn off individual features one by one before you start driving? That does sound a little crazy. I envision the new Genesis allowing you to either turn on or off things like lane departure warning and cross traffic alert ONE TIME. You need to turn them off each time you get in the car? They're all automatically set to ON?

I've been in some pretty high tech cars (Lexus LS460L, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, BMW 750Li) and i just get in and drive. Perhaps those cars weren't fully loaded with all the features...

The "warning display" on your Genesis. What do you mean you can't turn it off? It stays on the whole time you're driving?

You really have to call up a "climate screen" to set the temperature? There's no easier way? And you have to do this every time you get in the car? That sounds crazy...

The traffic reports thing - I don't see that to be an issue. I mean - if you want traffic reports you're going to have to ask for them...

 

[kn5owa]

I thought you could just turn off options that you don't need in settings and be done with it? You have to turn off individual features one by one before you start driving? That does sound a little crazy. I envision the new Genesis allowing you to either turn on or off things like lane departure warning and cross traffic alert ONE TIME. You need to turn them off each time you get in the car? They're all automatically set to ON?

I've been in some pretty high tech cars (Lexus LS460L, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, BMW 750Li) and i just get in and drive. Perhaps those cars weren't fully loaded with all the features...

The "warning display" on your Genesis. What do you mean you can't turn it off? It stays on the whole time you're driving?

You really have to call up a "climate screen" to set the temperature? There's no easier way? And you have to do this every time you get in the car? That sounds crazy...

The traffic reports thing - I don't see that to be an issue. I mean - if you want traffic reports you're going to have to ask for them...

You really have to drive these cars to experience the situation.

As to the warning reference - yes - you do get a warning for a few seconds on the console display everytime you start the car up - this is what they call "lawyer engineering" and I'm told it is generated by the makers of the navigation equipment (lawsuits). I don't think it can be gotten rid of.

The vast majority of the settings - and there are many - can be preset and they stay that way.

And, you could, of course get in the car and drive off.

But, if you want, for example, to set your AC/air vents, or radio, you have to call up a special screen for eacb action like that. And, to my knowledge, you can't set the climate screen, for example, as a default screen. And I don't think you want to do that some of thing while driving anyway "Auto hold" and driving mode are also a couple of settings that do have to be reset everytime you start the car - that is, if you want these features on.

Another oddity - the rear sonar parking assist is always on - the forward parking assist has to be manually turned on.

The Genesis is kind of like a small plane - you have to take care of some things before you take off. Or at least, it's safer.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Okay, the warning reference I'm aware of. How long does it last on the screen before it goes away? It never bothered me - I'd just click and clear it off the screen. But I can see how it might bother some people. I've seen it on Lexus and BMW vehicles.

If the vast majority of settings can be turned on or off and left that way, that's good...

I see knobs and buttons for interior temperature and fan speed. My temperature is pretty much set the same way and I don't change that much - so I imagine this would not be an issue for me. But it doesn't appear that I'd need to do anything complicated if I wanted to adjust the temperature or fan speed. You don't need to do that on the navigation screen - unless you're referring to something else...

Auto Hold and things like Lane Departure and Cross Traffic Alert are things I won't mind adjusting before I take off but this would only take my about 5 seconds.

You had me a little worried about the new Genesis there for awhile...

Now I do think the front sonar being "off" is kind of strange. If the rear is on I don't see why the front isn't on as well...

 

[homeofstone]

I thought you could just turn off options that you don't need in settings and be done with it? You have to turn off individual features one by one before you start driving? That does sound a little crazy. I envision the new Genesis allowing you to either turn on or off things like lane departure warning and cross traffic alert ONE TIME. You need to turn them off each time you get in the car? They're all automatically set to ON?

I've been in some pretty high tech cars (Lexus LS460L, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, BMW 750Li) and i just get in and drive. Perhaps those cars weren't fully loaded with all the features...

The "warning display" on your Genesis. What do you mean you can't turn it off? It stays on the whole time you're driving?

You really have to call up a "climate screen" to set the temperature? There's no easier way? And you have to do this every time you get in the car? That sounds crazy...

The traffic reports thing - I don't see that to be an issue. I mean - if you want traffic reports you're going to have to ask for them...

You have been in high tech cars. However, I own and drive them and there is no need to go through a bunch of settings. The climate control is automatic, and you can set the Mercedes default screen as I also can in my Denali. Granted, luxury cars have a lot of stuff that can be set or it can be set and left alone. My Genesis is not that complicated after I read and studied the manuals which many people do not and it leads to their frustration.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

You have been in high tech cars. However, I own and drive them and there is no need to go through a bunch of settings. The climate control is automatic, and you can set the Mercedes default screen as I also can in my Denali. Granted, luxury cars have a lot of stuff that can be set or it can be set and left alone. My Genesis is not that complicated after I read and studied the manuals which many people do not and it leads to their frustration.

I think you might have meant to quote the gentleman that I quoted - because I don't find any of these things complicated at all. In fact, I find it all very easy to use. I'm definitely a technology-lover...

 

[Buford T Justice]

My Genesis is a great car but it's NOT up to compete against it's German rivals. Not that it's a bad car, it's just a first attempt at luxury by Hyundai so it's obviously not going to be as good as models the Germans have been perfecting for 20 years.

- Our wood trim is actually plastic
- Our clock has light blue Casio watch back-lighting. The kind of watch your math teacher wore...
- Our steering wheel is hideous and has the same circumference as a pickup truck steering wheel
- Plastic around the shifter is poor quality and is easily scratched

These are just a few things that came off the top of my head. Not that the big 3 Germans don't have a few poor components of their own, but ours are pretty glaring. Every review written on the Genesis says this same thing too.

What really let me know this car wouldn't quite be up to the refinement levels the Germans, or even Japanese are on yet is the fact that Hyundai doesn't have a factory race team. Sounds weird, but that's how manufacturers can really perfect the way their cars perform.