Test Drive Thoughts

[Huddleston]

Spin it up, engine break it down...repeat.
No long cruises out of the box.

I drive all new engines the way I plan to drive the car, as do many, and have had great results across platforms. I shudder to think that the last guy might have done the "mfr recommended" break in on this boat.

Agree, "break in" procedure for mass produced engine such as ours probably has little true impact on the longevity of the motor. I didn't give mine any special treatment when it left the lot with 36 miles on it. It's a car, not a baby.

 

[Nikgen]

You are correct that soft break-in is not good. Hyundai wants you to break-in between 2000-4000 RPM to seat the rings properly. Acceleration between 3500-4000 RPM is quite rapid. But if one is going between 4000-redline during break-in (which I am sure some do during test drives) that is not good for the engine break-in.

Right - I used the paddles to keep RPM's between 2,000 and 4,000. I did my best not to drive at any set speed or take it above 4,000 by very much. I also avoided slamming on the brakes (obviously would have, if required). If this is not a valid approach, why does Hyundai (and other mfrs) recommend this practice?

 

[ksoze]

I sometimes think theses suggestions are put in writing to give a possible out when warranty issues come up. The manufacturer can set the limits for what they will warranty and any item can potentially be used to decline repair work.

In the past and on some high performance engines, the break-in procedures were strict. On the BMW M3, the break in oil change was at 1,200 miles. Missing that could easily be used to negate a claim. Evidently the cars tight tolerances on those M engines could leave metal shavings and the I believe the original oil was a different one then used for the 1,200 mile change and above.

 

[Aquineas]

I sometimes think theses suggestions are put in writing to give a possible out when warranty issues come up. The manufacturer can set the limits for what they will warranty and any item can potentially be used to decline repair work.

In the past and on some high performance engines, the break-in procedures were strict. On the BMW M3, the break in oil change was at 1,200 miles. Missing that could easily be used to negate a claim. Evidently the cars tight tolerances on those M engines could leave metal shavings and the I believe the original oil was a different one then used for the 1,200 mile change and above.

And to think, Hyundai now has the head engineer responsible for that crap. On the one hand, I'm excited about Albert Biermann and some of the potential performance that could be coming our way, but I honestly don't want the reliability problems that have plagued some recent M-engines. And before some BMW apologist comes on to question what I'm talking about, just Google BMW N65 rod bearing failure. As another example, I for one am thankful that the Hyundai recall of the taillight assembly which allowed water intrusion was discovered early, lest we end up with this.

 

[ksoze]

And to think, Hyundai now has the head engineer responsible for that crap.

What crap? The M cars were/are the pinnacle of consumer auto performance platforms. Having owned several BMW M cars over the last 20 years, they were the height of engineering and are a product type copied by everyone. The fact they are a true performance platform comes with stricter and costly maintenance - no shocker to anyone paying for that premium.

As far as engine issues, the M cars had no more than any other manufacturer, not even considering the audience for those cars that uses them to the fullest. I would take a hand built M engine over any other engine any day. I never had any issues with any of those models and have yet to find a vehicle with the visceral performance, balance and engineering of the BMW M3 with the NA S65 engine.

 

[Aquineas]

What crap? The M cars were/are the pinnacle of consumer auto performance platforms. Having owned several BMW M cars over the last 20 years, they were the height of engineering and are a product type copied by everyone.

Yeah, and they also break more frequently. I don't care if your kneepads have BMW emblems on them or not, the reality is what it is.

As far as engine issues, the M cars had no more than any other manufacturer, not even considering the audience for those cars that uses them to the fullest.

Incorrect. They are in the bottom top 10:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/62383/german-cars-among-worst-engine-failures

I would take a hand built M engine over any other engine any day. I never had any issues with any of those models and have yet to find a vehicle with the visceral performance, balance and engineering of the BMW M3 with the NA S65 engine.

That is fine, and your preference. But let's tell the truth about their reliability. There are people who have started businesses around fixing the rod-bearing failure issue.

 

[goochylittlepig]

I don't care if your kneepads have BMW emblems on them or not

lol!

 

[ksoze]

I don't care if your kneepads have BMW emblems on them or not, the reality is what it is.

F off Aquineas. I am here because I own a Genesis even though I have owned and still like BMW's. If you can't have a civil discussion and skip the middle school taunts, log off. Best to stick to stuff you would say to me in person, eye to eye. That will always keep it civil.

 

[Aquineas]

F off Aquineas. I am here because I own a Genesis even though I have owned and still like BMW's. If you can't have a civil discussion and skip the middle school taunts, log off. Best to stick to stuff you would say to me in person, eye to eye. That will always keep it civil.

Easy Cowboy. I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the myth of German reliability. I apologize if I offended you, because I generally respect your opinion on the forums.

But empirical data suggests that their reliability sucks, and people don't mention that when they're heaping the praise. And that bothers me, because in the next breath that people wax poetic about how wonderful German cars are, they're backhanding other manufacturers who are kicking their asses in other ways.

 

[LandoAWD]

And that bothers me, because in the next breath that people wax poetic about how wonderful German cars are, they're backhanding other manufacturers who are kicking their asses in other ways.

Just not in fit, finish, performance, pedigree...

You know, the fun stuff.

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[Aquineas]

Well I certainly won't argue that they're not fun to drive, that's for sure.

 

[YEH]

Having grown up on BMWs - I'm going to side on BMW engines (not just the M-powerplants) having had a no. of well-documented issues such as the high-pressure pump on the N54.

Some of the issues have been worked out, but for those looking in the used market, there are specific models/engines/MYs to avoid.