Transmission dying?

[AVMIII]

landtuna, I'm tired of debating you, especially when your "facts" are mere conjecture.
First off, don't be dissing my Lincolns or my Jag. If you do some research (jd powers, jag forums) you will find that recent jags are very high up on the reliability scale. I think top luxury cars lately. I drove my Lincoln Mark VIIIs (1995 and 1997) for 200k and 245k miles with no drivetrain issues. Talk facts and not BS based on 1970s-80s Lincolns and Jags. That is a common problem with this forum, in people pontificating and generalizing.

You can stand by your comment of never "flooring" the Genesis, but you (and other posters) apparently don't drive in NJ, where this is very helpful. Go on and baby your cars but I will continue to use the available power in the vehicles that I drive when I need or want it. That's why they made 'em that way.
Maybe you should be cruzing in one of those smart cars..

 

[qstarweb]

The Hyundai 8-speed was a brand new transmission in 2012 model year. The early models had some transmission problems and they were fixed part way through the 2012 model year. Very few complaints after that.

That is correct and is one of the main reasons I decided to go with getting the 2012 rather than a 2010 or 2011 that I considered first when I started looking to get a Genesis.

Dean

 

[Mark_888]

That is correct and is one of the main reasons I decided to go with getting the 2012 rather than a 2010 or 2011 that I considered first when I started looking to get a Genesis.

Dean

Maybe I was not clear.

The 2009-2011 Genesis V8 sedan used a ZF made 6-speed transmission, that by most accounts has been fairly reliable (but not perfect).

The 2009-2011 Genesis V6 sedan used an Aisin made 6-speed transmission, that by most accounts has been very reliable (don't recall any serious complaints on this forum).

For the 2012 model year, Hyundai introduced its own brand new 8-speed transmission for all Genesis sedans. The early 2012 transmissions had some problems, and a fair number of transmissions had to be replaced.

 

[Jon Jackson]

Maybe I was not clear.

The 2009-2011 Genesis V8 sedan used a ZF made 6-speed transmission, that by most accounts has been fairly reliable (but not perfect).

The 2009-2011 Genesis V6 sedan used an Aisin made 6-speed transmission, that by most accounts has been very reliable (don't recall any serious complaints on this forum).

For the 2012 model year, Hyundai introduced its own brand new 8-speed transmission for all Genesis sedans. The early 2012 transmissions had some problems, and a fair number of transmissions had to be replaced.

As someone that just had his transmission replaced on his 2012 R spec, I agree 100%

 

[landtuna]

landtuna, I'm tired of debating you, especially when your "facts" are mere conjecture.

I am not debating you. I gave you my opinion and you are welcome to take it or leave it as you see fit.

First off, don't be dissing my Lincolns or my Jag. If you do some research (jd powers, jag forums) you will find that recent jags are very high up on the reliability scale.

JD Power lists 2015 Lincolns about 10th on the reliability list but that hasn't been the case previously. Jags are not listed due to the very low sales numbers but traditionally they have been very maintenance and repair intensive. Considering their initial cost they are as "good" as the list-lagging Land Rover.

You can stand by your comment of never "flooring" the Genesis, but you (and other posters) apparently don't drive in NJ, where this is very helpful.

I didn't say I didn't floor my Genny but a good driver should never need to accelerate that hard - even in New Joisey (and with the nasty traffic and terrible roads back there you would be asking for major trouble to do so). I lived in South Amboy briefly back in the early 70's and the happiest day of my life was Joisey in the rear view mirror. Nothing could make me want to live there again except perhaps along the south Shore and then only if I never had to drive north.

 

[AVMIII]

Landtuner. I have a lot of experience owning lincolns and jags and participating in forums and other groups concerning their reliability. Your responses concerning them are pretty much hearsay, conjecture and your own uniformed opinion. As to your remarks about living and driving in NJ, you might consider that not all is the same as 1975, and again your pontifications concerning traffic and driving within this state are pretty much worthless.
Have fun "flooring" your Genesis (If you aren't too paranoid that the sky will fall.)
I'm so relieved that you are a much better driver than me, and don't need to drive in this Joisey traffic. NJ doesn't miss you either! You would be the guy that is puttering along that is holding me up and I'm trying to pass. Stick to driving in the desert. Seems to be your cup of tea.
--I'm done responding to your blatherings.

 

[qstarweb]

Maybe I was not clear.

The 2009-2011 Genesis V8 sedan used a ZF made 6-speed transmission, that by most accounts has been fairly reliable (but not perfect).

The 2009-2011 Genesis V6 sedan used an Aisin made 6-speed transmission, that by most accounts has been very reliable (don't recall any serious complaints on this forum).

For the 2012 model year, Hyundai introduced its own brand new 8-speed transmission for all Genesis sedans. The early 2012 transmissions had some problems, and a fair number of transmissions had to be replaced.

That is all true, I'm not disagreeing. And other than those with problems, the 8-speed transmission is great. And those with problems, should be repaired or replaced under warranty.

Dean

 

[landtuna]

Landtuner. I have a lot of experience owning lincolns and jags and participating in forums and other groups concerning their reliability. Your responses concerning them are pretty much hearsay, conjecture and your own uniformed opinion.

One of my best buddies, going back to the late 60's, was a factory mechanic for Jaguar. Although he was employed specifically to service their race cars his opinion of their street vehicles is the same as mine - way too unreliable and maintenance intensive for their cost. If price were no object I will admit they are a nice car to drive but you'd have to own several as one of them will always be in the garage.

As to your remarks about living and driving in NJ, you might consider that not all is the same as 1975, and again your pontifications concerning traffic and driving within this state are pretty much worthless.

Yeah, you've had two very destructive hurricanes since then plus the highest tax rates in the country - and for that you get to drive on terrible roads (toll roads to boot) and live in the most crowded state in the country. Oh, and I forgot your Pizza The Hutt waste of a governor.

--I'm done responding to your blatherings.

If only that were true.

 

[Mark_888]

...for that you get to drive on terrible roads (toll roads to boot)...

I heard someone say on TV today (talking about lack of infrastructure maintenance) that most people in the northeast and rust belt pay about $.02 per mile driven to repair their cars for damage caused by potholes, etc. A lot of the road maintenance problems are weather related, and not as prone to happening in warmer climates.

 

[landtuna]

I heard someone say on TV today (talking about lack of infrastructure maintenance) that most people in the northeast and rust belt pay about $.02 per mile driven to repair their cars for damage caused by potholes, etc. A lot of the road maintenance problems are weather related, and not as prone to happening in warmer climates.

The primary problem with roads in the lower Northeast is the traffic loads (very heavy) and the weather. Concrete roads don't last due to use of salt (eats concrete up) and amount of rain (soaks into the road and weakens it). Asphalt works better but is not as strong and tends to pothole with excessive weight and heat (yes, it gets hot enough in NY/NJ to soften asphalt). During winter the snow melts into the road then freezes overnight. This constant freezing and thawing crumbles the road surface.

The freeways in my area are concrete with a covering of sound deadening mixture of asphalt and old ground up tires and glass. They are very quiet and smooth - you really notice the difference when riding a motorcycle. We have heavy traffic but no freezing or much rain so they stay in pretty good shape.

My buddy with the $90,000 Jag lives in SoCal so no snow or much rain. Nevertheless, he dinged one of his rims on a curb. Jag wanted $2,200 for a factory replacement. One rim not including tire take off and remounting. His license plates cost over $1,200 per year. I didn't have the heart to ask him what he pays for insurance.

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[baltojeff]

I was having similar hard dropdown 2nd to 1st changes in my 2011 4.6. Since the transmission has no dipstick or drain options, I chose to do a full inline flush at my local Goodyear dealer rather than drop the entire pan and replace it and the fluid. I will probably keep this car for quite some time. Changed at 78k and the last 7k miles have been great.

I'd HIGHLY recommend checking out The CTSC site. They offer ZF LifeGuard6 fluid at the best price I've been able to find anywhere (and I am a cheap bastard). This is the ONLY acceptable fluid to use and I got a case to do the full flush and fill.

While I am sure that there are those who feel that replacing the pan and filter would be better, I felt that the fluid was the key item to fail and replacing it was more important. Since the flush was $149, the whole project was about $350 and a really inexpensive insurance policy. Ultimately, it depends on how long you want to keep the vehicle, but I still say it is worth it regardless. YMMV.

 

[AVMIII]

I'd HIGHLY recommend checking out The CTSC site. They offer ZF LifeGuard6 fluid at the best price I've been able to find anywhere (and I am a cheap bastard). This is the ONLY acceptable fluid to use and I got a case to do the full flush and fill.

I'm the OP and have the OEM pan/filter lifeguard fluid on order from CTSC. I've read lots of posts on the jag site and elsewhere, and while some feel that there are other fluids that might be OK, and aftermarket pans, I'm going with the ZF package and will give it a shot. I've got 81k, and intermittent hard shifts. Hopefully this fluid and filter change will help. It will be good practice too when I come to the same point with my 2010 Jag XKR which has the same trans.

 

[Dawg]

Last few days I have been noticing the 5th to 6th gear shift is rough with very little pedal effort (very light acceleration on flat service almost coasting along). Feels like it is being "thrown" into 6th gear. Not liking the feel of it. Since the beginning of owning the car with 29K mi on it, the dealer outright refuses to service the transmission saying it is impossible to service. I have been very patient with this vehicle during 3 years of ownership and all the repairs have been covered under warranty, but I have never had 100% confidence in the reliability of the vehicle.

Also, during slow acceleration on a downhill, the vehicle wants to hold the gear longer than normal when I would rather it shift into higher gear. It has always done this...it will hold second gear to 2,800 rpms or so before finally shifting to 3rd. In fact, if I let off the accelerator while going down hill as the rpms are rising past 2,000 on , the rpms will not drop...they hold the gear like in manual mode. Pretty quirky unless this is by design.

If anyone has ideas on the 5th - 6th shift, please let me know.

 

[Mark_888]

Last few days I have been noticing the 5th to 6th gear shift is rough with very little pedal effort (very light acceleration on flat service almost coasting along). Feels like it is being "thrown" into 6th gear. Not liking the feel of it. Since the beginning of owning the car with 29K mi on it, the dealer outright refuses to service the transmission saying it is impossible to service. I have been very patient with this vehicle during 3 years of ownership and all the repairs have been covered under warranty, but I have never had 100% confidence in the reliability of the vehicle.

Also, during slow acceleration on a downhill, the vehicle wants to hold the gear longer than normal when I would rather it shift into higher gear. It has always done this...it will hold second gear to 2,800 rpms or so before finally shifting to 3rd. In fact, if I let off the accelerator while going down hill as the rpms are rising past 2,000 on , the rpms will not drop...they hold the gear like in manual mode. Pretty quirky unless this is by design.

If anyone has ideas on the 5th - 6th shift, please let me know.

Forum member Homeofstone lives in Athens, GA, and he found a dealer that will change the fluid in his 2011 V8 ZF transmission. But it is not going to be cheap.

I have noticed that other members have said their dealers refuse to work on the transmissions, since they normally require little or no service and they have no experience with them. Whenever a warranty problem has occurred, seems like Hyundai just replaces the entire transmission, since their dealer mechanics can't fix them.

 

[homeofstone]

Forum member Homeofstone lives in Athens, GA, and he found a dealer that will change the fluid in his 2011 V8 ZF transmission. But it is not going to be cheap.

I have noticed that other members have said their dealers refuse to work on the transmissions, since they normally require little or no service and they have no experience with them. Whenever a warranty problem has occurred, seems like Hyundai just replaces the entire transmission, since their dealer mechanics can't fix them.

Above is true. The tech at Athens Hyundai does know how to service the Genesis ZF transmission and they have done it for me including a new pan/filter. The techs and Service mgr. at Rick case Hyundai in Atlanta(Duluth) had no idea regarding the pan/filter on the ZF transmission. Its all about proper training.

 

[AVMIII]

Once again, I'm the OP and changed my fluid/pan with all ZF fluid and filter at about 80k miles. After the new fluid was put in according to ZF instructions, I thought that the transmission as a whole shifted smoother. But within a short period of time I got the slip/abrupt or call it lagging shift from I guess 1st to 2nd. Sometimes even from a stop it jumps. At 108K now, I don't think that it is overall doing this as frequently as it did before the fluid change, so I'm not sorry that I did it. Time will tell if the condition gets worse or I just sort of keep cruising along. I'll probably drive the car for another 100k which is like 4 or so years if it lasts. Doors are rusting at the edges, window sporadic lowering solved with a NOS master (drivers) power window switch for $35 on ebay. I've never been happy with the ride on secondary roads, but I drive mostly highway, so it's OK. I had a starter put in by the dealer for $800, which seemed a ripoff, but nothing else major. Its a reasonable commute car, and I wouldn't rule out considering a new one when the time comes, provided it doesn't die tomorrow.

 

[Ghettosled]

If it's any consolation, or for general information, my 2013 Genesis 3.8 with 61k miles is now at the dealer have its transmission replaced. I was experiencing a lag between shifts 2-3 and 4-5. Started intermittently in January and become more frequent. It was occurring just about daily at this point. Car went in on Monday and they said it should be finished on Friday.

 

[orionkhan]

I'll chime in here for future reference. My wife has a 2012 R-Spec with 95k on clock. She had complained a few times in the past about rough shifting. But it got worse over the past month or so. High revs at shift, rough shifting, etc. She took it in to the dealer for some routine maintenance and mentioned the transmission issue. They couldn't replicate the problem. Said she might need transmission service next time. The problem continued. She took it in. They gave her a loaner to use. After the first day they said they still hadn't replicated the problem. As it turned it out, it was a week that we went out of town. So the service manager said to keep the loaner and they would have a mechanic drive it home to see if they could replicate it. Well, after two days, they called and said they were ordering a new (rebuild) tranny for her. It was covered under warranty. It's been a little over a week now since she's gotten her R-Spec back and she's thrilled. Very happy again. She says it is much more responsive than the old one. It's her car and daily driver, so I take her word for it.

 

[Gunkk]

She says it is much more responsive than the old one.

Some of that is ECU/TCU reset. They clear out the learned TCU settings and it (usually) raises the stall and shift points, resulting in a bit more spirited response.

The rest, of course, is the new hardware.

 

[orionkhan]

That makes sense. I thought they would try that before they replaced the whole thing. Well, at least until I saw this thread. She was about through with the Genesis. She had a loaner G80 (the v6) and complained about in being down on power compared to the R-Spec. Also, didn't like the softer suspension. I guess she's kind of an aggressive driver. Haha. I was already looking into the next vehicle for her. But she's good to go now.