Cruise Control SCC vs. CC Modes

[kn5owa]

Page 5-55 of the manual seems to indicate that it is possible to toggle between SCC - smart cruise control and CC - plain vanilla cruise control.

The manual says that by pushing the "adjust distance" button - two choices pop up and then one opts for either SCC or CC.

But it isn't clear to me how one exercises such an option.

Can anyone clarify?


I gather that SCC is the system default.

 

[srobak]

Hold the distance button for 3 seconds - it will change from SCC to CC. Do it again and it will change back to SCC. It will chime and a notification will appear in the gauge display when you do this.

 

[srobak]

additional notes: Cruise master must be on to do this. Cruise cannot be currently engaged (active/holding at speed). ie: "armed but cancelled".

 

[kn5owa]

Hold the distance button for 3 seconds - it will change from SCC to CC. Do it again and it will change back to SCC. It will chime and a notification will appear in the gauge display when you do this.

Apparently, I did not hold the distance button down long enough. 3 Seconds is quite long to toggle anything.

"cruise master function" - not in my manual. Also the named cruise function "armed but cancelled" sounds a bit like an RPG weapons system -- maybe that's why I'm having problems.

Thanks, though

 

[srobak]

Sorry - those are my terms.

When I say "master cruise" I mean the actual cruise button. The one that acts as the master switch for the cruise feature. Thus "arming" it... but not engaging it (when you set the speed).

 

[kn5owa]

additional notes: Cruise master must be on to do this. Cruise cannot be currently engaged (active/holding at speed). ie: "armed but cancelled".

Did a little hands on check-out - SCC vs. CC

You are right - the top "cruise" button has to be pushed, without actually enabling or setting the actual speed option.

On the matter of my original question as to how to opt for CC or SCC, the manual only says at p. 5-55 to choose between the two options without telling how.

The toggling action is actually effected by pushing the "distance" button for 3 seconds (not 2 sec's.). This changes the mode from SCC default to CC. Then you push the distance button another 3 seconds to toggle back to SCC, if that is desired. And, this can be done with the car stationary.

Obviously, the factory wants you to use the SCC mode which is kind of cute if you want something to play with on the open highway.

 

[jimmy buoy]

This should be a most helpful feature during icy cold weather. My last Gen I model had issues when it got too cold. The SCC would cycle "off" with a beep in temps below freezing. I can only assume that this was due to a sensor not being able to "see" through the frost because it would work again once the temps increased above freezing.

 

[srobak]

Yep, gotta keep the ice, snow and salt off the sensor on the front of the car. In the winter I wiped mine off every morning. No issues all winter long. Same with the rear cam.

 

[Midnightsun]

Speaking of front sensors. It seems this is already outdated tech. Reason I say so is there are no sensors on the front grill area on my fathers new Subaru or my Ridgeline, instead they use either single or dual cameras up near the rear view mirror. That being said, both these cars have all the same features as the Genesis when it comes to safety tech. 1) Makes for a much better overall look with no "sensor plate" up front. 2) Will perform much better heavy rain/snow/slush conditions especially if the window is treated with Aquapel or Rainex and then IMHO there will be no failure at all.

Speaking of safety tech. Just learned that all new vehicles sold in Canada by May 2018 must be equipped with factory backup cameras. Wonder if the US will follow suit? Oddly enough as some of you know, different countries have different demands when it comes to required equipment. Only half the cars here if that have TPMS where as since 2007 all cars in the US must have them. All cars in Canada must have DRL, not so in the US however it is slowly getting implemented by the manufacturers as opposed to law.

 

[Midnightsun]

Yep, gotta keep the ice, snow and salt off the sensor on the front of the car. In the winter I wiped mine off every morning. No issues all winter long. Same with the rear cam.

Bad part is if it is raining very hard or snowing or if the roads are slushy or they are wet with salt the system will fail. Been there done that. In the winter the system is not all that great for those with snow/freezing rain. Failure due to heavy rain is rather rare for me as it need to be coming down pretty hard before it kicks out however I can see an issues in places like Florida where there are heavy thunderstorms quite often.

As mentioned above a camera system will work much better and if they took it one more step to heat this area for winter use and maybe even have the wipers clear this area then the system would be flawless in inclement weather.

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[srobak]

Speaking of front sensors. It seems this is already outdated tech. Reason I say so is there are no sensors on the front grill area on my fathers new Subaru or my Ridgeline, instead they use either single or dual cameras up near the rear view mirror.

Not quite. While there are cameras - they are likely for lane keeping, just like the Genesis' are. Cameras cannot measure distance - especially since the size of the car ahead it is looking at can be dynamic. You still need a radar type technology that can measure time comparisons to calculate the distance - and the sensor is present in those cars, just better disguised. It is actually behind the H emblem in the grille on the Honda, and I believe it is the same on the Subi.

From the Honda manual:

"The ACC radar sensor in the front grille can detect and monitor the distance of a vehicle up to 328 feet (100 meters) ahead of your vehicle. For more information on the radar sensor, see page 326."

Speaking of safety tech. Just learned that all new vehicles sold in Canada by May 2018 must be equipped with factory backup cameras. Wonder if the US will follow suit?

The NHTSA mandated back in 2014 that all manufacturers start phasing in rear cameras in May 2016 with full compliance by May 2018.

Bad part is if it is raining very hard or snowing or if the roads are slushy or they are wet with salt the system will fail. Been there done that.

It says right in the manual that you are not supposed to use the system in such conditions. There is further language along the lines of "improper use can result in a crash." Not adhering to the usage guidelines would constitute improper usage. Not to mention - those are the times where any driver would want to exercise as close to complete control over their vehicle anyhow.

 

[Midnightsun]

Not quite. While there are cameras - they are likely for lane keeping, just like the Genesis' are. Cameras cannot measure distance - especially since the size of the car ahead it is looking at can be dynamic. You still need a radar type technology that can measure time comparisons to calculate the distance - and the sensor is present in those cars, just better disguised. It is actually behind the H emblem in the grille on the Honda, and I believe it is the same on the Subi.

From the Honda manual:

"The ACC radar sensor in the front grille can detect and monitor the distance of a vehicle up to 328 feet (100 meters) ahead of your vehicle. For more information on the radar sensor, see page 326."

Thanks, did not know as there are no unsightly plates on either of the cars I referenced. Found out the Honda is on the H badge which looks no different than any other Honda H badge. Are you listening Hyundai?



The NHTSA mandated back in 2014 that all manufacturers start phasing in rear cameras in May 2016 with full compliance by May 2018.



It says right in the manual that you are not supposed to use the system in such conditions. There is further language along the lines of "improper use can result in a crash." Not adhering to the usage guidelines would constitute improper usage. Not to mention - those are the times where any driver would want to exercise as close to complete control over their vehicle anyhow.

I realize CC is a nono however automatic braking is definitely useful in bad weather and I see it deactivated many a times in bad conditions

 

[lobsenza]

Backup cameras are required in the US. I am not sure the exact date the requirement goes into effect, but I think it is the 2017 or 2018 model year.

 

[srobak]

I realize CC is a nono however automatic braking is definitely useful in bad weather and I see it deactivated many a times in bad conditions

Hey I completely agree... but also remember it is a supplemental feature. It should never stop a driver from being extra cautious in bad weather. Knowing up front that the tech requires a clear sensor and that it gives you a warning when it isn't - the driver is well informed enough to stop and clean it. Just like when ice and salt buildup becomes too much on windshields for wipers to be effective, even with spray.

Backup cameras are required in the US. I am not sure the exact date the requirement goes into effect, but I think it is the 2017 or 2018 model year.

...answered above

The NHTSA mandated back in 2014 that all manufacturers start phasing in rear cameras in May 2016 with full compliance by May 2018.