2010 almost certainly will have suspension changes

[Puredeath]

Just spoke with swapalease rep. Hyundai Lease Trust does not allow for lease transfers. They offered no other options.

 

[Grit]

I heard it from the horse's mouth today: the 2010 Genesis will almost certainly have at least some minor suspension changes. The horse personally tested some of the proposed changes himself. I am assuming this is relatively minor tuning, but with noticeable improvement. No word on whether the changes can be retrofitted to 2009 model.

I absolutely "hate" the ride of my Genesis V-8! With every bump in the road I question myself ... why did I purchase this automobile? Then I'm reminded, by my wife, of the few nice features it does have and the cost compared to previous vehicles we've owned. It's not a BMW, and never will be, however if they change the suspension and offer a retrofit for the 2009 I may just quit complaining a drive with a smile again! Currently I'm really disappointed!

 

[JPW]

On the way out I checked the Genesis in the showroom, and Genesis that we took for a test drive still sitting on the lot for the manufacturing dates, and both had November of 2008. I'm not sure what that means, but it might indicate that they were unable to move the inventory of cars that were produced more than 7 months ago.

I've heard of this theory before but I'm just curious your own thoughts. Do you think the most recently manufactured Genesis's have seen a suspension change?

 

[dataguy]

I've heard of this theory before but I'm just curious your own thoughts. Do you think the most recently manufactured Genesis's have seen a suspension change?

I hate to beat a dead horse, but unless people are including their model and mfg date (on the driver's door pillar), it's pretty difficult to draw any conclusions.

So I'll start:
MODEL: 3.8 w/ Prem+ (18" wheels)
MFG DATE: Nov 6 2008
RIDE ISSUES: Mild to moderate bumpy ride and increased road noise over rough/uneven pavement. No porpoising. No complaints from rear seat passengers.

 

[TJPark01]

Some of my previous cars were '03 Acura TL, '06 Infiniti FX35, '04 Honda CRV, '08 Honda Accord, and I currently own an '08 Subaru Impreza.

Out of all these vehicles, the one that I truly enjoyed was the Subaru. It is fast, handles great, and while it has a firm ride, it is properly controlled, and the car feels extremely stable, much like FX35. None of the yo yo effect that my Genesis exhibits. The only issue my wife had with the car was that it was too small for our weekend trips to NY, and we needed a bigger vehicle. I wanted to wait for '10s to come out, but my wife insisted on the Genesis. So, here we are. She is driving the Impreza, and I'm stuck with the Genesis.

I am going to try swapalease, see if I can get someone to take over the lease if possible. I'm willing to offer a good incentive to anyone who is willing to take the car off my hands.

Thanks for the input.

Do you have the 8 or 6 cylinder? I hear what you and others are complaining about, but I just think it's rather exaggerated. In terms of the 8, you're pushing almost 400 horses out the back wheels on 50 series tires in under 6 seconds to 60mph. In a big ass car. This aint no buick.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Do you have the 8 or 6 cylinder? I hear what you and others are complaining about, but I just think it's rather exaggerated. In terms of the 8, you're pushing almost 400 horses out the back wheels on 50 series tires in under 6 seconds to 60mph. In a big ass car. This aint no buick.

Uh-oh. Now you did it. This thread is gonna go to 100 pages by you questioning the 6 or so posters who experience nausea, vomiting, dizziness, and numbness. You'll now be accused of calling the liars or delusional, even if that isn't what you said. Watch especially for those that no longer own a Gen...
Good luck!

 

[TJPark01]

Lets see almost as fast as a previous version M5, without the 85k price tag. Much more legroom and a trunk you can fill and use as a pool. The Camry, I mean ES350 from Lexus will cure all nausea,vomiting,dizziness, spilled cafe mochas, in splendid front wheel drive understeer glory.

 

[kaberle]

Yes I don't think you can fault the car for too much else of significance except perhaps a suceptibilty to wind.

Here's a new review from leftlane.com today that sums it up well I think:

Identity crisis
The ride and drive of the Genesis feels a little bipolar. More to the point, it seems to be attempting to be both sporty while retaining a smooth, luxury ride. Since those two things don’t exactly meld like Peanut Butter and Jelly, the Genesis does neither that well.

On the luxury side, it simply feels like the ride could be smoother. At times, a ton smoother. Even modest road imperfections will transmit to the passengers — an aspect that won’t go far in winning the hearts and wallets of BMW buyers.

On the sport side, the suspension has been softened so much to attempt a smoother ride that the handling suffers. Show the Genesis a few corners at brisk speed and things start to get a little sloppy. The car feels unsettled and body roll is fairly prevalent.

For every quote you find supporting your position....... there is another contrary to your position........ see this quote below from Road & Track


The Genesis' handling is equally, if not more, impressive. Turn-in is crisp, thanks in part to its solid and communicative chassis. On the tight stuff, the car exhibits slight understeer, but the rear end will hang out if you're too assertive with the throttle. Some complained about the Genesis' ESC system (Electronic Stability Control), saying it kicked in too aggressively when either the front or rear tires lost traction. The Genesis' suspension is the most sophisticated Hyundai has ever produced — a 5-link setup at both front and rear. The ASD (Amplitude Selective Damper) system adjusts damping force depending on road conditions, providing a smooth ride on the highway and excellent stability on rough roads and through corners. But as adept as the Genesis was on the test track (it registered 0.86g on the skidpad, and its slalom run of 63.8 mph is faster than the Infiniti M45's), its true home is on the open road.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/r...e=Hyundai&model=Genesis&cp-documentid=1059230


The comments in Left Lane seem to complitment what I am saying in some ways and seem to be talking about another car in other ways than the one I am driving

For instance they say.............."More to the point, it seems to be attempting to be both sporty while retaining a smooth, luxury ride. Since those two things don’t exactly meld like Peanut Butter and Jelly, the Genesis does neither that well. "

I have always said if a car is sporty in feel ( firm as in BMW) then its not going to be luxurious (soft as in Lexus) A BMW is not a Lexus and a Lexus is not a BMW....... yet both are fine cars......... The Genesis is in between when it comes to ride.......... or as Left Lane says...... does neither well...... or as I say .... is a nice blend of both............

LeftLane also says that Body roll is prevalent and the car is sloppy when coming into corners briskly.......... what a load of crap.... what car was this guy driving......... the car exhibits very little body roll...........

Road and Track have it right when they say .... "Turn-in is crisp, thanks in part to its solid and communicative chassis."



As we agreed before Doug........ the car you drove seems to have been one extreme........ the reality of the car in general is not that extreme.... but something else........ More to the point I have not had one person ride in my car and complain about the ride.......... My daughter did vomit once...... but that was when she was 2 and in our Honda Odessey..... what a horrible ride that van has... lol..... just kidding.... The Odessey is a wonderful minivan


P.S. on another note..... Slovaman thank you for your clarification about having overstated your comment about how the Genesis is put together....... took a big man (or woman) to say such a thing........

 

[Puredeath]

Do you have the 8 or 6 cylinder? I hear what you and others are complaining about, but I just think it's rather exaggerated. In terms of the 8, you're pushing almost 400 horses out the back wheels on 50 series tires in under 6 seconds to 60mph. In a big ass car. This aint no buick.

I have the 3.8 Tech (18" wheels).

 

[Puredeath]

I hate to beat a dead horse, but unless people are including their model and mfg date (on the driver's door pillar), it's pretty difficult to draw any conclusions.

So I'll start:
MODEL: 3.8 w/ Prem+ (18" wheels)
MFG DATE: Nov 6 2008
RIDE ISSUES: Mild to moderate bumpy ride and increased road noise over rough/uneven pavement. No porpoising. No complaints from rear seat passengers.

Model: 3.8 w/ Tech (18" wheels)
Date: I need to check that.
Ride Issues: Mild to moderate bumpy ride over normal pavement. Moderate to severe jitters and yo yo type ride over rough/uneven pavement. Obvious porpoising. Rear passengers complain when going over rough/uneven pavement.

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[Puredeath]

I've heard of this theory before but I'm just curious your own thoughts. Do you think the most recently manufactured Genesis's have seen a suspension change?

The only way to find that out is to take the early and late production models and compare them side by side. Even then, it might not be obvious. But it is possible that the suspension was retuned somewhere along the production schedule, or vice versa. Since all of the early reviewers found the ride to be compliant with this type of a vehicle.

 

[doug725]

The fact that there are widely divergent reviews and experiences is really the core of the problem is it not? Or perhaps indicates the nature of the problem. I know it is important for many in here to minimize or try to marginalize the issue. While my experience was perhaps extreme there are indeed plenty of folks who have had a bad experience. Wishing it was not so does not change that fact.

For every quote you find supporting your position....... there is another contrary to your position........ see this quote below from Road & Track


The Genesis' handling is equally, if not more, impressive. Turn-in is crisp, thanks in part to its solid and communicative chassis. On the tight stuff, the car exhibits slight understeer, but the rear end will hang out if you're too assertive with the throttle. Some complained about the Genesis' ESC system (Electronic Stability Control), saying it kicked in too aggressively when either the front or rear tires lost traction. The Genesis' suspension is the most sophisticated Hyundai has ever produced — a 5-link setup at both front and rear. The ASD (Amplitude Selective Damper) system adjusts damping force depending on road conditions, providing a smooth ride on the highway and excellent stability on rough roads and through corners. But as adept as the Genesis was on the test track (it registered 0.86g on the skidpad, and its slalom run of 63.8 mph is faster than the Infiniti M45's), its true home is on the open road.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/r...e=Hyundai&model=Genesis&cp-documentid=1059230


The comments in Left Lane seem to complitment what I am saying in some ways and seem to be talking about another car in other ways than the one I am driving

For instance they say.............."More to the point, it seems to be attempting to be both sporty while retaining a smooth, luxury ride. Since those two things don’t exactly meld like Peanut Butter and Jelly, the Genesis does neither that well. "

I have always said if a car is sporty in feel ( firm as in BMW) then its not going to be luxurious (soft as in Lexus) A BMW is not a Lexus and a Lexus is not a BMW....... yet both are fine cars......... The Genesis is in between when it comes to ride.......... or as Left Lane says...... does neither well...... or as I say .... is a nice blend of both............

LeftLane also says that Body roll is prevalent and the car is sloppy when coming into corners briskly.......... what a load of crap.... what car was this guy driving......... the car exhibits very little body roll...........

Road and Track have it right when they say .... "Turn-in is crisp, thanks in part to its solid and communicative chassis."



As we agreed before Doug........ the car you drove seems to have been one extreme........ the reality of the car in general is not that extreme.... but something else........ More to the point I have not had one person ride in my car and complain about the ride.......... My daughter did vomit once...... but that was when she was 2 and in our Honda Odessey..... what a horrible ride that van has... lol..... just kidding.... The Odessey is a wonderful minivan


P.S. on another note..... Slovaman thank you for your clarification about having overstated your comment about how the Genesis is put together....... took a big man (or woman) to say such a thing........

 

[doug725]

You are not an isolated case - not everyone has this experience but others have and do. Good luck.

I’d like to provide a brief update about our 2nd trip from PA to NY.

My family and I made our 2nd journey on the Genesis from PA to NYC this past weekend. My wife and my daughter sat together in the back row during the whole trip. The good news is that my daughter didn't vomit this time around, but my wife still developed a headache by the end of the trip, and didn't feel well at all. On Saturday we went down to Plaza Hyundai in Brooklyn to test drive the Genesis, and were told they didn't have any available for test drive. Fine! We went to Giuffre Hyundai, and after the usual "Hyundai" treatment of "When do you plan on purchasing? Can I get all of your information?" approach typical of New York dealers, we took one for a spin. I've asked the salesperson to sit in the back if he wouldn't mind, and my wife asked him if she can take her cup of coffee with her for the test drive and put it in the rear cup holder. The sales person didn't mind sitting in the back, but was hesitant to have "hot drinks" in the new car. After the initial hesitation and the fact that the coffee was covered with a lid, he agreed. The moment we pulled out of the dealership, I went straight onto BQE, heading towards the battery tunnel. The moment we hit the expressway the car was bouncing up and down, the uneven pavement caused the car to also sway from left to right, which I haven’t experienced before. Some of the coffee has managed to spill out of the cup into the cup holder, seat, and some even leaked onto the carpeting. The sales person grabbed the cup out of the holder, and asked if I can slow down. Why? I was barely breaking 45 mph on a 55 mph road. I slowed down, and we exited right before the tunnel and went underneath BQE. The car was still bouncy, but not as severely as it had been on the expressway. The salesperson told us that it was because of the “state of the art sport suspension”. OK. When we pulled back into the dealership, the first thing the salesperson did was ask someone to get the car cleaned, as the cashmere interior had coffee stains on the back seat and carpeting. He then asked us to sit down, and wanted to take down our information so that "we can get the process started". I've told the salesperson that I was concerned about the ride quality that this luxury sedan offered, and wasn't about to purchase a vehicle that bounced so severely during the test drive. I got the usual response, that no car could guarantee a perfect ride on rough surfaces, and that had the pavement been normal, you wouldn't have experience this sort of behavior. My wife then stepped in, and asked the salesperson to identify a road in Brooklyn that could guarantee the quality of pavement the salesperson was referring to. The salesperson person switched gears, and offered us another Hyundai. What? As if offering some other vehicle was some sort of conciliation for the Genesis. I've asked the salesperson if they've sold a lot of Genesis sedans at their dealership. He said, of course, it's one of their best sellers, and NA car of the year. We thanked the salesperson for his time, and said that we were no longer interested in the Genesis sedan, and walked out. On the way out I checked the Genesis in the showroom, and Genesis that we took for a test drive still sitting on the lot for the manufacturing dates, and both had November of 2008. I'm not sure what that means, but it might indicate that they were unable to move the inventory of cars that were produced more than 7 months ago. This dealer had 6 other Genesis sedans sitting on the lot as well.

This leads me to believe that my Genesis isn't an isolated case. Anyone who drives through 5 boroughs knows the road quality in NYC. Although I find the ride bouncy when driving in Pennsylvania, I don’t consider it bad. When I drive in NY, the ride resembles the Coney Island Cyclone.

I never experienced such poor ride quality in my Subaru, or in any of my previous cars.

We also went down to Poconos on Sunday, and took I80 to get there. For the most part, I80 was recently paved, and has a nice and smooth surface. Along the 30 mile stretch of I80 there were “bump ahead” signs posted next to bridges that weren’t yet paved. Every time we would see “bump ahead” sign, we would brace ourselves, as the car would jump up and down when it hit the uneven surface. My daughter enjoyed this part of the trip, although my wife didn’t. I had to pull over as she started to feel sick from all the jumping we’ve done on I80. She switched to the front passenger seat, and said it was a little better upfront than in the back. For the next 20 or so minutes she had to drive with an open window; just in case.

So to make a long story short; how do I get out of a lease? Does Hyundai Lease Trust allow for lease transfers? Should I call the customer care department and complain? I can’t picture myself driving this sedan for the next 3 years, and my family wants nothing to do with it. This is my first and last Hyundai; pity, it was such a nice vehicle.

 

[doug725]

B]And I ask again: Is anyone complaining of porpoising/vomiting/hitting the roof driving a 3.8 V6?[/B][/QUOTE]

Ummm... yes.

Definitely complain to Hyundai. My story is that I had a side impact airbag on a Sonata deploy for no reason on the freeway (scared the hell out of me, but fortunately, didn't cause an accident). Hyundai sent out an investigator who insisted that I must have hit something despite no damage to the car, and they weren't going to cover the repair. Some polite but firm calls to HMA corporate resulted in the repair being covered. Plus, a few months later, lo and behold, out comes a service campaign for the side impact airbag sensors.

Or you can do what this bloke did: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/motoring...outside-showroom--emblazoned-list-faults.html

And I ask again: Is anyone complaining of porpoising/vomiting/hitting the roof driving a 3.8 V6?

 

[dataguy]

Ummm... yes.

Cool. Everyone who was reporting the problem seemed to either have a 4.6 signature or didn't have a signature at all. Kind of hard to see if there is a pattern or a widespread problem when people don't say which configuration they have.

For example, It took a while for the picture to emerge on the 3.8 trunk cover until people gave data on the model, dates, and whether the cover was present or not.

 

[mk1]

Definitely complain to Hyundai. My story is that I had a side impact airbag on a Sonata deploy for no reason on the freeway (scared the hell out of me, but fortunately, didn't cause an accident). Hyundai sent out an investigator who insisted that I must have hit something despite no damage to the car, and they weren't going to cover the repair. Some polite but firm calls to HMA corporate resulted in the repair being covered. Plus, a few months later, lo and behold, out comes a service campaign for the side impact airbag sensors.

Or you can do what this bloke did: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/motoring...outside-showroom--emblazoned-list-faults.html

And I ask again: Is anyone complaining of porpoising/vomiting/hitting the roof driving a 3.8 V6?

You will find that the vast majority of us here are satisfied with the suspension. There's one, maybe two that have complained of the extreme issues you've mentioned, and they appear to be isolated incidents and not indicative of how this car behaves.

YMMV of course, but if you aren't satisfied then perhaps wait until the 2010 models arrive. Speculation suggests suspension modifications that may enhance the overall ride.

Good luck!

 

[kaberle]

You are not an isolated case - not everyone has this experience but others have and do. Good luck.

Actually yes.... by definition he is an isolated case........

The vast majority of Genesis Owners do not experience porpoising, jarring, vomiting, coffee spilling etc...... from what I can tell

Perhaps the problem is not Hyundai but rather your city or state taxes have to go up so they can improve roads....

Can someone smarter than me please start a survey where we can state the following

Suspension can be described as jarring, porpoising, harsh (not Happy)

Or

Suspension behaves as expected (Happy)

In addition the survey must include date of manufacture and V6 or V8


I would be happy to participate if someone can do this. e need to get to the bottom of why such different views on this issue so we can move onto other issues

 

[dataguy]

You will find that the vast majority of us here are satisfied with the suspension. There's one, maybe two that have complained of the extreme issues you've mentioned, and they appear to be isolated incidents and not indicative of how this car behaves.

Actually, I'm one of the vast majority who is satisfied. I was responding to puredeath's question in post #157 as to whether he should complain to Hyundai. I have no serious concerns about the suspension on my model. But I encourage people to take it up with the manufacturer because that's one of the ways the manufacturer understands the severity and frequency of the problems people are experiencing (dealer reports, warranty repairs, industry publications are other ways).

So while I too don't think it's a widespread problem, no one is going to convince the person who bought the $40k car and is experiencing the problem that it's not a problem. Nor is it going to materially change anyone's opinion who might read the rebuttals. If anything, it just seems like some are just blindly defending the car, which is just as bad as others who say the car is crap just because they've had a negative experience.

My wish is that people just report their experiences and let that speak for itself. If Hyundai is reading, and if there is enough reasonable data, then maybe they will do something. Or maybe they'll just see arguments and no clear trend and chalk it up to "personal preferences."

 

[TJPark01]

I have the 3.8 Tech (18" wheels).

The tires have a lot to do with it. The 17's are much softer and those tires have a taller sidewall and are not V rated to a buck 50. You could swap the rims and tires, but since this is a lease, not sure if you want to pony up. Plus the car looks better with larger tires as, most cars do.

 

[dataguy]

Actually yes.... by definition he is an isolated case........

The vast majority of Genesis Owners do not experience porpoising, jarring, vomiting, coffee spilling etc...... from what I can tell

Perhaps the problem is not Hyundai but rather your city or state taxes have to go up so they can improve roads....

Can someone smarter than me please start a survey where we can state the following

Suspension can be described as jarring, porpoising, harsh (not Happy)

Or

Suspension behaves as expected (Happy)

In addition the survey must include date of manufacture and V6 or V8


I would be happy to participate if someone can do this. e need to get to the bottom of why such different views on this issue so we can move onto other issues

Playing devil's advocate, with a 6,200-or-so owner sample size and no blind selection, I don't think anyone can say for certain what the "vast majority" is or isn't. Nor does that prove or disprove a problem. It could be a manufacturing run issue, limited defect, personal taste, unrealistic expectations, bad roads, and so on.

My personal belief is that I don't think there's a widespread issue, but for all I know, there might be. How many drivers a.) use the internet, b.) know that this site exists, and c.) are willing to post their opinions to a message board? How many of them believe any ride issues are severe enough to comment (vs. not considering the suspension should behave any other way or vs. not thinking they are severe enough to warrant a complaint or service call)? How many of them have ever driven a luxury or sports sedan to have any basis for comparison?

One can point to the press reviews, but how many of their authors spent more than a few hours or days with a test vehicle? How many of them rode around in the back seat of said car? How many of them drove over rough roads? Would any of their opinions change if they drove this car daily for thousands of miles?

Even if there was a poll set up here, because it's not scientific, it wouldn't prove anything. It's based on those who see the poll and decide to participate. Let's say you have 100-0 in favor of no complaints. That's probably less than 2% of North American Genesis owners, and that could be just blind luck.

But if there were a poll set up, I'd request a third option for "sort of happy." I'd certainly like the Genesis to handle washboard or sectional roadway conditions better than it does. There is some see-saw like bouncing that causes the car to visibly move where other high-end cars over the same roads don't have any visible movement because the suspension system is absorbing the bumps. I wouldn't complain if Hyundai were able to adjust that on my car.