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2010 almost certainly will have suspension changes

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Playing devil's advocate, with a 6,200-or-so owner sample size and no blind selection, I don't think anyone can say for certain what the "vast majority" is or isn't. Nor does that prove or disprove a problem. It could be a manufacturing run issue, limited defect, personal taste, unrealistic expectations, bad roads, and so on.

My personal belief is that I don't think there's a widespread issue, but for all I know, there might be. How many drivers a.) use the internet, b.) know that this site exists, and c.) are willing to post their opinions to a message board? How many of them believe any ride issues are severe enough to comment (vs. not considering the suspension should behave any other way or vs. not thinking they are severe enough to warrant a complaint or service call)? How many of them have ever driven a luxury or sports sedan to have any basis for comparison?

One can point to the press reviews, but how many of their authors spent more than a few hours or days with a test vehicle? How many of them rode around in the back seat of said car? How many of them drove over rough roads? Would any of their opinions change if they drove this car daily for thousands of miles?

Even if there was a poll set up here, because it's not scientific, it wouldn't prove anything. It's based on those who see the poll and decide to participate. Let's say you have 100-0 in favor of no complaints. That's probably less than 2% of North American Genesis owners, and that could be just blind luck.

But if there were a poll set up, I'd request a third option for "sort of happy." I'd certainly like the Genesis to handle washboard or sectional roadway conditions better than it does. There is some see-saw like bouncing that causes the car to visibly move where other high-end cars over the same roads don't have any visible movement because the suspension system is absorbing the bumps. I wouldn't complain if Hyundai were able to adjust that on my car. :)

I don't disagree with most of what you said....... unfortunately on here we are dealing only with people who frequent this site.......... so we are limited in what we can resolve....... I can tell you.... as frustrated as the people are who are having suspension issues......... I am just as frustrated hearing them disparage the car considering I haven't experienced this......... so I am as interested as anyone to get to the bottom of this......... It is comments like the one you just made about there are some high end cars that don't see saw over bumps that muddy the water........ what do you base that comment on........ what you see when you drive down the road......?....... this is hardly scientific........... the only way to solve this would be to lock 40 of us in a room......... have us all drive each others cars and then compare notes........... then it would be clear if it is real or perception......... of course this is not going to happen ............. I remember reading someone on hear test drove someone elses car who was complaining about the car......... and they reported that there was no issue with the suspension.........I remember reading that the owner said that there was no issue with the suspension on that particular day....... so there you have it........

When someone says the Genesis suspension is harsh and they compare it to a car like BMW or Lexus...... what they are saying is the Hyundai does not compare to the high rollers........... As I have said before..... BMW cannot compare to Lexus in ride quality........ Lexus cannot compare to BMW in driving performance........ A BMW is not a Lexus..... and a Lexus is not a BMW....... A Genesis is neither....... it is what it is............ why do people feel it has to be a BMW or a Lexus to be a good car?.........
 
It is not easy to measure "ride comfort" and and give it a rating. We all have our own preferences. However, most of us have a set pattern or routine on day to day drivings. We travel through the same roads on regular basis and we know how our current car behaves and how our previous car(s) behaved over the same road surfaces. By comparing what we have and what we had before we can get a very good idea which car(s) offer a better ride. I have driven the Audi A6 the previous 4 years and have own the Gen 4.6/Tech for 8 months now. I must say I wish the Gen's ride can be better. There are roads that I travel through with the A6 without any second thought that I try to avoid with the Gen. So, to make it short. Lets not try to pin down if the Gen has a suspension problem but rather just ask ourself how many of us wish the Gen can offer a more comfortable ride?
 
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I don't disagree with most of what you said....... unfortunately on here we are dealing only with people who frequent this site.......... so we are limited in what we can resolve....... I can tell you.... as frustrated as the people are who are having suspension issues......... I am just as frustrated hearing them disparage the car considering I haven't experienced this......... so I am as interested as anyone to get to the bottom of this......... It is comments like the one you just made about there are some high end cars that don't see saw over bumps that muddy the water........ what do you base that comment on........ what you see when you drive down the road......?....... this is hardly scientific...........
I didn't claim it was scientific. If the only thing we can do is report our perceptions and preferences, my opinion is just as valid as yours or anyone else's, right?

I think you illustrated the meaning of irony when you said, "I am just as frustrated hearing them disparage the car considering I haven't experienced this." Replace "disparage" with "praise" and "haven't" with "have." :)
 
I don't disagree with most of what you said....... unfortunately on here we are dealing only with people who frequent this site.......... so we are limited in what we can resolve....... I can tell you.... as frustrated as the people are who are having suspension issues......... I am just as frustrated hearing them disparage the car considering I haven't experienced this......... so I am as interested as anyone to get to the bottom of this......... It is comments like the one you just made about there are some high end cars that don't see saw over bumps that muddy the water........ what do you base that comment on........ what you see when you drive down the road......?....... this is hardly scientific........... the only way to solve this would be to lock 40 of us in a room......... have us all drive each others cars and then compare notes........... then it would be clear if it is real or perception......... of course this is not going to happen ............. I remember reading someone on hear test drove someone elses car who was complaining about the car......... and they reported that there was no issue with the suspension.........I remember reading that the owner said that there was no issue with the suspension on that particular day....... so there you have it........

When someone says the Genesis suspension is harsh and they compare it to a car like BMW or Lexus...... what they are saying is the Hyundai does not compare to the high rollers........... As I have said before..... BMW cannot compare to Lexus in ride quality........ Lexus cannot compare to BMW in driving performance........ A BMW is not a Lexus..... and a Lexus is not a BMW....... A Genesis is neither....... it is what it is............ why do people feel it has to be a BMW or a Lexus to be a good car?.........

Well, my Chevy conversion p/u rides better then our 4.6 Genesis, and it's certainly not a "high-end" vehicle, although it did cost more! Nor does it ride as nice as my former 545i BMW. I don't believe I'm mixing apples and oranges here. My friend 3.8 Genesis rides much better! Hyundia has a problem, they know it, and I'll bet they fix it!
 
Well, my Chevy conversion p/u rides better then our 4.6 Genesis, and it's certainly not a "high-end" vehicle, although it did cost more! Nor does it ride as nice as my former 545i BMW. I don't believe I'm mixing apples and oranges here. My friend 3.8 Genesis rides much better! Hyundia has a problem, they know it, and I'll bet they fix it!

By what you said it seems as though the problem is with the 4.6 and not the 3.8.... since I drive the 3.8 no wonder I don't see a problem

Am I making any sense here.......

What do you mean rides better?....... if you mean softer I have no argument....... My Genesis is certainly not soft
 
I didn't claim it was scientific. If the only thing we can do is report our perceptions and preferences, my opinion is just as valid as yours or anyone else's, right?

I think you illustrated the meaning of irony when you said, "I am just as frustrated hearing them disparage the car considering I haven't experienced this." Replace "disparage" with "praise" and "haven't" with "have." :)

Your opinion is definitely as valid as mine..... but those who come across on here trying to make the car sound like the worst riding car ever...... (and excuse me but if it is nauseating... causing your legs to go numb and making you vomit then it is the worst riding car ever) are overstating the issue trying to make their point.........


Thank you for illustrating my point by talking about irony........ I have said all along........ for every one who says the ride is harsh... there is someone else who says it is not harsh......... so where is the truth..... we may never know.......by the way I assume you are saying that by praising the car I am frustrating you or at least those who don't like the ride....... so now we are both frustrated...... lol.........

The cars people are complaining about absolutely have to ride different than mine.... there is no other explanation.........
 
Here is a post I found on another website.........

I think maybe this guy has it more right than any of us on here so far

The only thing I don't agree with is that the car is too stiff...... only because I like it that way ....... but other than that well said



............... "Let’s cut through all the crap going back and forth regarding the suspension! In Hyundai’s efforts to make the car both sporty and luxurious, they missed the mark on both. It corners great and it is a dream to drive on well paved surfaces. However, on streets or roads that have bumps, holes, or undulations, it is too stiff and transmits too much of the stiffness to the passengers. Don’t even consider overinflating the tires! My previous four cars were the Mercedes E Class, Acura TL, BMW 5 Series, and a Lexus LS. For my taste, BMW hit the mark dead-on for being both sporty and pleasant on ANY surface. Now … at the risk of being accused of speaking out of both sides of my mouth, I like the Genesis anyway because I am a high-mileage driver and 90% of my travel is on reasonably good roads. As a matter of fact, I love traveling in this thing! "..........
 
By what you said it seems as though the problem is with the 4.6 and not the 3.8.... since I drive the 3.8 no wonder I don't see a problem
That was my theory too until doug725 and puredeath recently said they're having problems and have 3.8's.
 
"but those who come across on here trying to make the car sound like the worst riding car ever...... (and excuse me but if it is nauseating... causing your legs to go numb and making you vomit then it is the worst riding car ever) are overstating the issue trying to make their point........."

except all of that was indeed true my friend - no exaggeration was necessary. And others have said the same - including a story a recently about the couple who did not buy one due to the nasuea inducing ride.


The cars people are complaining about absolutely have to ride different than mine.... there is no other explanation.........[/QUOTE]

That is entriely possible - so why keep assuming everyone is exaggerating or deluded?
 
"but those who come across on here trying to make the car sound like the worst riding car ever...... (and excuse me but if it is nauseating... causing your legs to go numb and making you vomit then it is the worst riding car ever) are overstating the issue trying to make their point........."

except all of that was indeed true my friend - no exaggeration was necessary. And others have said the same - including a story a recently about the couple who did not buy one due to the nasuea inducing ride.


The cars people are complaining about absolutely have to ride different than mine.... there is no other explanation.........

That is entriely possible - so why keep assuming everyone is exaggerating or deluded?[/QUOTE]


Give me a Break...... If someone is becoming nauseated it is a function of their body not the car........ some people become nauseated on roller coasters.... most don't.... I have a niece who gets car sick on the way from her house to our house.....I guarantee she is not in a Genesis......It's one thing to say the car has a harsh ride .... its another to say it is causing physical illness....... like I said.... Give me a break

We already agreed previously that the car you used to drive must ride different than mine........ there is no other explanation...... if my car was nauseating me and causing my legs to go numb I would be on here saying what you're saying I suppose........ nothing could be further from the truth regarding my car........ and thus the discrepancy
 
The internal organs of the human body "resonate" with vertical motions of a certain frequency. For the average human, I think it was something like 6 hertz. So if a car's suspension+tires+road surface combine to make a 6 hertz motion many folks will get queasy from that. It varies from individual to individual of course; just like some folks can ride all day on roll coasters and others get sick from the first ride. Those spinning rides that pin you against a wall as the floor drops ("vomitrons" as a friend of mine dubbed them after he lost it) have the same reactions: some folks love that ride, others like my friend can't take it very long. Some folks can read books as a passenger in a car; I can't - that makes me queasy within minutes. If I'm not reading though you can bounce me all over the place and I'm fine.

A harsh/stiff ride is one thing - like a full-out sports car with a firm suspension... but if the resulting body motions of that car end up at 6 hertz it'll subjectively feel a lot worse to many people than it would at 4.5 hertz or 8 hertz. Some folks won't feel bad at 6 hertz... they might get nauseated at 4.5 or 8 hertz however. That's what confronts car designers, engineers, and suspension tuners - there is no "one golden rule" for passenger comfort especially if you want crisp handling too.

From the suspension complains about the Genesis, it seems like Hyundai managed to tune things right to that bad 6 hertz spot for certain road conditions. I haven't felt that myself - yet - simply because I haven't done any highway driving with my Genesis yet. I've had it all of 2 months so far. I do think the rear suspension though has too much impact sharpness - a characteristic of too much damping (too much "shock absorber" in the old way of talking). High damping often leads to higher frequency system operation. Folks that fill their trunks with heavy weight change several suspension characteristics but they also change the fundamental mass of the vehicle which lowers the system frequency - that might be why "filling the trunk" works for them.

My prior cars are "old tech" suspension (solid axle leaf springs on a 1970s vintage car) and semi-trailing arms on 2 sports coupes. Semi-trailing arms have a combination of many lousy suspension problems (wheel camber and toe changes as the suspension moves); the "fix" to minimize wheel changes is to use very stiff springs minimizing suspension/wheel movement. Those cars, on the same roads as I drive with the Genesis, do not have the same impact harshness. They do have more "buzz" that you expect with sports cars compared to luxury sedans though. The buzz is probably from stiffer bushings and those stiff springs. The reduce impact harshness comes from the lower overall damping levels and/or better tuned bushings. That's what makes me think the Genesis has too much damping - or a poor compression vs. rebound damping ratio anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hyundai engineers, tuning the US models, had some other brand of tire on their development cars... switching tire types can have drastic effects on ride quality. In addition, changing the tire weight on the rim, technically part of "unsprung weight" in suspension design, has drastic effects on wheel-vs-body suspension response.

I too would vote for a change to the rear suspension design. I just know when my mom and dad first ride in my new Genesis I'll hear complaints from dad. I bought the car primarily for them - when they visit, crawling in/out of my other 2-door hatchback cars is hard on them. So a RWD 4-door was my shopping list. The Genesis was more sporty than most Lexus cars, was priced far more reachable for me, and is plenty roomy enough for them. But dad is "old school" and likes the old style floating ride. He sometimes gripes about the "harsh" ride of their Azera.

mike c.
 
Model: 3.8 w/ Tech (18" wheels)
Date: I need to check that.
Ride Issues: Mild to moderate bumpy ride over normal pavement. Moderate to severe jitters and yo yo type ride over rough/uneven pavement. Obvious porpoising. Rear passengers complain when going over rough/uneven pavement.

Date: November of 2008.
 
Interesting thing happened today. I stopped by Lehigh Valley Hyundai to test drive a Genesis, but they didn't have any in stock. I have opted to try the manager's car. V6, Tech.

The car does drive a lot better than mine. I have driven with the manager on the same roads as I had in my car, and the ride wasn't half bad! It does have the bouncy feeling to it on the highway, but it absorbs the road imperfections much better. The car feels more stable on private roads, without the yo yo effect.

We then took the same trip in my car, and the manager said this definitely doesn't feel like a Genesis.

I will be calling Hyundai directly tomorrow.

Seems like the issue might be with the manufacturing date.
 
Interesting thing happened today. I stopped by Lehigh Valley Hyundai to test drive a Genesis, but they didn't have any in stock. I have opted to try the manager's car. V6, Tech.

The car does drive a lot better than mine. I have driven with the manager on the same roads as I had in my car, and the ride wasn't half bad! It does have the bouncy feeling to it on the highway, but it absorbs the road imperfections much better. The car feels more stable on private roads, without the yo yo effect.

We then took the same trip in my car, and the manager said this definitely doesn't feel like a Genesis.

I will be calling Hyundai directly tomorrow.

Seems like the issue might be with the manufacturing date.

What is the manufacture date on yours? Mine is July 2008 and the suspension seems fine to me. Mine is also a V6 Tech
 
Interesting! Please keep us informed of how this story unfolds.

When I took my car to the dealership they had no problem reproducing the jojo effect but wrote in the report that the car operates as designed.

Cheers

Thomas
 
What is the manufacture date on yours? Mine is July 2008 and the suspension seems fine to me. Mine is also a V6 Tech

November 2008.

Seems like early built models do not have this issue. That would explain the glowing reviews it got. These are just my speculations, and I don't have any facts to back it up, so don't take my word for it.
 
Interesting! Please keep us informed of how this story unfolds.

When I took my car to the dealership they had no problem reproducing the jojo effect but wrote in the report that the car operates as designed.

Cheers

Thomas


Do you still have the car? Can you check the manufacturing date?
 
I've opened the case file with Hyundai. Not sure where it'll go from here.

I've expressed my concern about the bouncy ride, and they've noted it down.

I've also asked if they received any complaints about the ride quality, the person said that he alone received 4 or 5 complaints about the ride, and they have a lot of dealer feedback about it. So customers are complaining, if not to them, then to their dealers. He also said that Hyundai is monitoring all the message boards on the internet, and they are aware of the situation. As far as doing anything about it, there was no indication of that.

So, not sure how that will pan out, or if it'll make any difference at all, but he said it, not me.
 
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