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What's going on in Louisiana?

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Anyone heard or read of this!

According to Automotive News Looks as if theres serious legal problems with the licensing of the Genesis Brand and Dealerships in Louisiana!!
Sounds worrisome if it should spread to other states.
Wish I knew how to post the article I found!
 
Here is one article, but does not explain the problem:
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170731/RETAIL07/170739948/genesis-dealers-tripped-up-louisiana

Another article sort of explains it as a simple failure to apply for a license to sell a new brand:

"Per Louisiana law, automakers, along with dealers, must be granted a state-issued license to establish a new automotive brand; Genesis parent Hyundai failed to attain that license. It's reported that the dealers didn't obtain proper licensing, either."​
 
Yep,that's the one I saw,sounds rather confusing and worrisome for consumers.those thinking of purchasing and those that already have one.
Hopefully it's all awhoo about nothing,but this type of hype can't help the brand!😡
I love my Genny and wish to hear only good things.
 
Yep,that's the one I saw,sounds rather confusing and worrisome for consumers.those thinking of purchasing and those that already have one.
Hopefully it's all awhoo about nothing,but this type of hype can't help the brand!��
I love my Genny and wish to hear only good things.
The failure to get approval to sell a new brand in Louisiana was apparently an administrative oversight by HMA. Louisiana is different than the other 49 states, and their legal system is based on French law, as opposed to English law. Louisiana is the only state where the Uniform Commercial Code (that governs the legal issues of commercial transactions and contracts) is not followed. Lawyers from outside the state of Louisiana who move there, have almost no chance of practicing law there without a lot of additional education and certification.
 
Another typical Hyundai blunder! SMH!


Per AutoNews:

Genesis grounded in Louisiana

"Genesis has suspended vehicle sales, service and marketing in Louisiana indefinitely, citing word from the state's Motor Vehicle Commission that Hyundai Motor America was not properly licensed to sell the luxury brand's vehicles in the state.

The move sets up a battle between Genesis and its Louisiana dealers over whether this amounts to a breach of contract by the automaker. It also could have nationwide implications if other states' licensing requirements trip up Genesis, which Hyundai created in 2015 as a separate luxury company and brand, without setting up a separate U.S. sales channel.

At least one dealer involved is concerned that Hyundai Motor America may welcome the news because the result could be advancing Genesis' goal of reducing its dealership count nationwide.

The problem arose in June when Genesis General Manager Erwin Raphael told Louisiana dealers during a conference call that Genesis' business model was changing and as a result, just two points in the state — ​ reserved for Baton Rouge and New Orleans — would sell the brand, down from 13.

An account of the call was provided to Automotive News by Ryan Navarre, president of Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles, who was on the call, and Claude Reynaud, Louisiana Automobile Dealers Association general counsel, who was briefed by two other dealers on the call.

The move would have given the culled stores 30 days to remove signage, suspend marketing and sales and stop taking service orders from Genesis customers.

Dealers on the call balked at the idea, according to Navarre, having spent tens of thousands of dollars to improve sales and service areas to Genesis' standards — and previously to Equus standards to be eligible to sell what was then the Hyundai brand's top-line car — and because of customers who would be left in the lurch.

Besides, Reynaud said, the proposal wasn't legal.

Genesis could have wiped the slate clean and pulled out of Louisiana altogether, after settling with each affected dealer.

"The difference here is they're talking about retaining two dealers, so what they're doing is treating the dealers differently, and that is strictly forbidden by our law," Reynaud told Automotive News.

Genesis' desire to reduce its 352-dealer count is no secret. "I definitely want to get below 300," Raphael told Automotive News in August 2016. The automaker cites Lexus, which has about 237, as an enviable target.


License issue

Several weeks after the conference call, the situation took another turn, one with a potentially far-reaching impact and cost for Genesis and Hyundai Motor America nationwide.

On July 20, Raphael sent a letter to Genesis stores in Louisiana notifying dealers that the automaker was immediately halting the shipment of Genesis vehicles to the state. The letter cited the company's lack of a license to sell Genesis vehicles in the state as the reason.


Fitzgerald: Fast pace lead to "an oversight."
This was the result of Hyundai Motor America moving quickly to set up the brand, according to Genesis' global head, Manfred Fitzgerald.

"Everything happened at a fast pace," Fitzgerald told Automotive News. "I think it was an oversight."

Yet Hyundai Motor America has known of the situation for at least 10 months, according to a company spokesman. Genesis is looking into other states where it may also be improperly licensed to sell vehicles.

Hyundai Motor America didn't make Raphael or other executives available to comment last week. In a statement, the company said, "Genesis respects the concerns of the Louisiana Motor Vehicle Commission and is taking all necessary steps so Genesis sales can resume in the state."

In the July 20 letter, a copy of which Automotive News obtained, Raphael alerted the dealers that they would hear separately from the Motor Vehicle Commission about the dealerships' lack of an appropriate license. In Louisiana, automakers and dealers need state licenses to add a brand.

The Motor Vehicle Commission's letter went out a day later. It summoned dealers to an informal conference with the commission in September ahead of a formal hearing scheduled for November, and gave them 10 days to file a written reply and avoid a default judgment. The commission didn't respond to multiple requests for comment last week.

In the meantime, many affected Louisiana dealers are considering legal action against Genesis to recoup costs associated with floorplanning interest charges on the vehicles they are prohibited from selling as well as lost service income.

Raphael, in his letter to dealers, pledged to address the problem. "HMA recognizes its responsibilities in that regard and intends to address them," he wrote.

Because Hyundai Motor America had been shipping vehicles to Louisiana and allowing them to be sold by dealers without proper licensing, the fallout could get costlier for the automaker.

If the Motor Vehicle Commission "considers this an egregious action on the part of Hyundai, it could be a large fine in the realm of large fines," Reynaud said, adding that Genesis could be forced to pay from $10,000 to seven figures to the state.

Liability to dealers is another matter.

"Having said they're a manufacturer and not having their license, that's a breach of contract," Reynaud said.

"In addition to everything else, that could be a civil suit, not just an action before the Motor Vehicle Commission."

Navarre, for his part, sees a more sinister motive behind Genesis' actions. With dealers facing potential Motor Vehicle Commission fines and legal costs for challenging the Louisiana ruling and Hyundai Motor America, "my opinion is that dealers will start saying 'These legal bills are so high so I'm just going to back off,' " Navarre said.

"They'll either take some small settlement [from Genesis] and lose money on it or just get tired of fighting it."

'Mind-blowing'

The end result would be Genesis reducing its dealer network — just as it has wanted, Navarre said. "It's mind-blowing," he said. "I've never seen anything like this in 25 years."

Fitzgerald said, "Right now we are examining the dealer body with an eye toward optimizing it in the future," but said the licensing debacle was all a misunderstanding on Genesis' part.

"I don't think there was any intent behind it," he said.

Hyundai Motor America's statement called Genesis' store-within-a-store a "temporary arrangement," adding that a process to develop a distinct Genesis dealer body is "underway and will unfold in stages."

http://www.autonews.com/article/20170731/RETAIL07/170739948/genesis-grounded-in-louisiana
 
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The above article sounds like the dealers (specifically Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles) are just trying to shake down HMA to reimburse them for spending money to upgrade their showrooms to have a separate Genesis area.
 
The above article sounds like the dealers (specifically Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles) are just trying to shake down HMA to reimburse them for spending money to upgrade their showrooms to have a separate Genesis area.

Sorry, but your comprehension of the situation is way off.



"The problem arose in June when Genesis General Manager Erwin Raphael told Louisiana dealers during a conference call that Genesis' business model was changing and as a result, just two points in the state — ​ reserved for Baton Rouge and New Orleans — would sell the brand, down from 13.

An account of the call was provided to Automotive News by Ryan Navarre, president of Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles, who was on the call, and Claude Reynaud, Louisiana Automobile Dealers Association general counsel, who was briefed by two other dealers on the call.

The move would have given the culled stores 30 days to remove signage, suspend marketing and sales and stop taking service orders from Genesis customers.

Dealers on the call balked at the idea, according to Navarre, having spent tens of thousands of dollars to improve sales and service areas to Genesis' standards — and previously to Equus standards to be eligible to sell what was then the Hyundai brand's top-line car — and because of customers who would be left in the lurch.


Besides, Reynaud said, the proposal wasn't legal.

Genesis could have wiped the slate clean and pulled out of Louisiana altogether, after settling with each affected dealer.

"The difference here is they're talking about retaining two dealers, so what they're doing is treating the dealers differently, and that is strictly forbidden by our law," Reynaud told Automotive News.



License issue

Several weeks after the conference call, the situation took another turn, one with a potentially far-reaching impact and cost for Genesis and Hyundai Motor America nationwide.

On July 20, Raphael sent a letter to Genesis stores in Louisiana notifying dealers that the automaker was immediately halting the shipment of Genesis vehicles to the state. The letter cited the company's lack of a license to sell Genesis vehicles in the state as the reason.

Fitzgerald: Fast pace lead to "an oversight."
This was the result of Hyundai Motor America moving quickly to set up the brand, according to Genesis' global head, Manfred Fitzgerald.

Yet Hyundai Motor America has known of the situation for at least 10 months, according to a company spokesman. Genesis is looking into other states where it may also be improperly licensed to sell vehicles.
 
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Sorry, but your comprehension of the situation is way off
No sir, I believe my interpretation is correct.

I believe that the failure of HMA to obtain a license to sell a new brand (Genesis) in the state of LA is not related to the desire of HMA to cut down on the number of dealers who sell Genesis Motors vehicles (despite the claims of Ryan Navarre, president Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles, who is obviously biased).

HMA does want to decrease the number of dealers who sell Genesis Motors vehicles, there is no doubt about that. They intend to eventually have separate Genesis Motors dealers, and obviously the number will be less than the number of Hyundai dealers (just like the number of Lexus dealers is less than the number of Toyota dealers).

Complicating the matter, is that HMA could not wait until the entire separate Genesis dealer network is built out, and they came up with a transistion plan where existing Hyundai dealers would temporarily sell the Genesis Motors vehicles so long as they created a separate area in the existing dealerships. Obvioiusly, existing dealers who spent money doing that are goiong to be upset if they don't eventually get a Genesis dealership on a permanent basis. Specifically, HMA has said it only needs two Genesis dealers in LA, and that does not include any Lake Charles location where Billy Navarre Hyundai is located.

The article that you quoted is clearly biased in favor of the interests of Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles. who is pissed that they will not get to be a Genesis dealer down the road, even though they spent money building out a separate area to sell the Genesis within their existing Hyundai dealership. I suspect that there could be a problem if HMA reimburses Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles for the cost of building a separate Genesis area (after taking away their ability to sell Genesis vehicles), since HMA could be on the hook for reimbursements to hundreds of dealers around the country. That may be a legitimate complaint of dealers who lose the ability to sell Genesis vehicles, but not related to the licensing issue in the state of LA to sell the Genesis brand.

It is clear that HMA never intended for all Hyundai dealers who now sell the G80 to continue to be Genesis dealers long term. But linking this to the failure of HMA to get approval to sell a new brand in the state of LA, which immediately prevents any dealer from selling a G80 or G90 vehicle anywhere in the state, seems absurd to me.

You (and perhaps the author of the article) are taking the "opinions" or "claims" of a single dealer as factual statements about the intent of HMA and Genesis Motors, and giving that more credence than what Genesis Motors says about this (that the licensing issue in the state of LA was just an oversight, and not related to the number of dealers they eventually want in the state). Having read both sides of the story, I believe the HMA/Genesis Motors explanation. But I sympathize with dealers like Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles who spent money building a separate Genesis Motors area in their existing Hyundai dealership, but will lose their ability to sell Genesis Motors vehicles at some time down the road.
 
No sir, I believe my interpretation is correct.

I believe that the failure of HMA to obtain a license to sell a new brand (Genesis) in the state of LA is not related to the desire of HMA to cut down on the number of dealers who sell Genesis Motors vehicles (despite the claims of Ryan Navarre, president Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles, who is obviously biased).

The article that you quoted is clearly biased in favor of the interests of Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles. who is pissed that they will not get to be a Genesis dealer down the road, even though they spent money building out a separate area to sell the Genesis within their existing Hyundai dealership.

You (and perhaps the author of the article) are taking the "opinions" or "claims" of a single dealer as factual statements

What you "believe" or interpret vs what the facts are in actuality two separate issues altogether. Ryan Navarre (Billy Navarre Hyundai) wasn't the only dealer/owner who informed AutoNews of the issues behind HMA/Genesis Motors piss poor strategies, thus it's counterproductive to keep scapegoating Ryan Navarre as if he's the sole Genesis dealer/owner who feels that they have been blindsided by Hyundai/Genesis Motors.

"An account of the call was provided to Automotive News by Ryan Navarre, president of Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles, who was on the call, and Claude Reynaud, Louisiana Automobile Dealers Association general counsel, who was briefed by two other dealers on the call."

Furthermore what you fail to realize (or what you skipped over) is that HMA/Genesis Motors stance may be illegal in LA.

Besides, Reynaud said, the proposal wasn't legal. "The difference here is they're talking about retaining two dealers, so what they're doing is treating the dealers differently, and that is strictly forbidden by our law," Reynaud told Automotive News.


"In the meantime, many affected Louisiana dealers are considering legal action against Genesis to recoup costs associated with floorplanning interest charges on the vehicles they are prohibited from selling as well as lost service income."



HMA does want to decrease the number of dealers who sell Genesis Motors vehicles, there is no doubt about that. They intend to eventually have separate Genesis Motors dealers, and obviously the number will be less than the number of Hyundai dealers (just like the number of Lexus dealers is less than the number of Toyota dealers).

There's no need to regurgitate what was already in the AutoNews article, as it's already been pointed out.

Complicating the matter, is that HMA could not wait until the entire separate Genesis dealer network is built out, and they came up with a transistion plan where existing Hyundai dealers would temporarily sell the Genesis Motors vehicles so long as they created a separate area in the existing dealerships. Obvioiusly, existing dealers who spent money doing that are goiong to be upset if they don't eventually get a Genesis dealership on a permanent basis.

If there were no specific guidelines spelled out by Hyundai/Genesis Motors beforehand that dealers who invested in maintaining a separate Genesis showroom weren't assured of receiving "permanent" dealership status or their ability to sell Genesis vehicles could be terminated at any time (outside of dealer malfeasance) then Hyundai basically bamboozled these dealers & therefore they should be rightfully reimbursed (fully).

I suspect that there could be a problem if HMA reim"burses Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles for the cost of building a separate Genesis area (after taking away their ability to sell Genesis vehicles), since HMA could be on the hook for reimbursements to hundreds of dealers around the country. That may be a legitimate complaint of dealers who lose the ability to sell Genesis vehicles, but not related to the licensing issue in the state of LA to sell the Genesis brand.

These may be 2 separate issues unrelated to each other, however both circumstances are serious debacles for HMA/Genesis Motors in the near future


Having read both sides of the story, I believe the HMA/Genesis Motors explanation.

Considering that you're a known Hyundai apologist on this forum, I'm certainly not shocked by your stance one bit. ;)
 
These may be 2 separate issues unrelated to each other, however both circumstances are serious debacles for HMA/Genesis Motors in the near future
That's all I said, that the failure of HMA to get a license to sell a new brand (Genesis) in the state of LA has nothing to do with whether they want to reduce the number of dealers who sell Genesis Motors vehicles in the future. Billy Navarre Hyundai of Lake Charles claims they are related, but that is just complete BS, and they are just trying to get reimbursed for the expense of building out a separate Genesis area at the dealership, and then being told they will not be able to sell Genesis (at some point in the future).

Whether or not it is legal or ethical to take away the ability of current dealers who sell Genesis vehicles, to sell them in the future, is something I did not address and I have no opinion on, especially since I have no idea what is in the legal contract in place between HMA and dealers.

Considering that you're a known Hyundai apologist on this forum, I'm certainly not shocked by your stance one bit.
I realize you have (obviously) not read all my posts on this forum going back to 2009, but that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Many other long time forum members are also rolling on the floor, laughing their a$$ off at your suggestion that I am a Hyundai apologist. I am not going to list all my problems with Hyundai Motor Company that I have raised here, since they are documented on this forum, but they are many. You should do more research in future before you make accusations like that.

I do, however, mock owners who complain to Hyundai Motors about ridiculous things like, an owner made an appointment at a dealer, and the dealer didn't start working on their car right away, and it was not finished until much later than they originally promised. Give me a break, bud.
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