3.8L in Snow - Nightmare

[MeyerKy32]

Last summer (middle of April) I decided to try summer tires (Michelin Pilot Super Sport). What a difference compare to all season tires.
Last winter (middle of November) I put dedicated winter tires (Bridgstone Blizzark). What a difference compare to all season tires.
I also put four sand bags (120 lbs total) in the trunk. I had no problem with 5" of snow.

Here is the trick I found. If roads a messy from the snow and I need to start driving from the red light I put transmission into manual mode and into 2nd gear and accelerate gently. This way I don't get a lot of torque from the 1st gear, and no spinning of the rear wheels.

So you have driven through snow with all seasons successfully? What do you think about the nokian WR G3's being an ALL Weather, and having the severe weather snowflake rating.. over some dedicated winter? I am on a budget and don't have the money to purchase new wheels, and tires. I just want some nice tires so I don't need two sets.

 

[AgentSmith007]

So you have driven through snow with all seasons successfully?

Not really. And it was terrible experience in winter with all season tires at the end of their live.

What do you think about the nokian WR G3's being an ALL Weather, and having the severe weather snowflake rating.. over some dedicated winter?

I don't know anything about those tires. It's probably marketing gimmick. "All Season", "All Weather"; sound very similar. But I may be wrong. You need to do research on those and find user reviews.

Also, very important aspect is driver skills.

 

[MeyerKy32]

Not really. And it was terrible experience in winter with all season tires at the end of their live.



I don't know anything about those tires. It's probably marketing gimmick. "All Season", "All Weather"; sound very similar. But I may be wrong. You need to do research on those and find user reviews.

Also, very important aspect is driver skills.

I've done a lot of research on them The Michigan PD used the Nokian WR G3s on their RWD Crown Vics and Chargers, and in Canada a lot of people use them on their BMW's and Mercedes since they need to have tires with a winter rating because of that law they passed.. I also saw a lot of forum posts aboout tesla users using them, And they got a 55k warranty, and most people get about 60k outta them. They have an aysmetrical tread pattern, and I agree it might be a marketing gimmick, but they are Nokians , and Nokians basically invented the Winter Tire category. After doing some digging on here I seen a lot of people talking about the Conti DWS and hes from Minnesota as well..

 

[1FstYota]

I had a blast in my gen 1 3.8 in the snow, it took off with the best of them, I did get stuck on compact snow/ice slush but overall the car had no issues in the snow, and its quite fun.

 

[Binmonkey]

I stay in Minnesota, and I was thinking about getting these exact tires! you recommend them ? They work good? I see you got the 235/50 r18 I was thinking about getting the 235/45 18 my car currently runs 225/60 r18 i believe. I was nervous about getting all season nokians over nokian Hakkas.. did you make it fine.. through most snow storms?

Yes, these tires have been great! I've got 40,000km on them now of winter and summer driving and they still have 8/32" of tread left. Surprisingly not noisy either. They are a great choice, you won't be disappointed. Never been stuck. We got mega snow last year and are expecting even more this year.
Post on here what you think if you get them.

 

[MeyerKy32]

Okay sweeet! I’ve been a bit nervous and hesitant on following through but if you say they’ll do great and I shouldn’t be let down I’ll give them a shot ! You are talking about the WR G3s correct? On a RWD genesis? Or any RWD CAR in gereral?

Yes, these tires have been great! I've got 40,000km on them now of winter and summer driving and they still have 8/32" of tread left. Surprisingly not noisy either. They are a great choice, you won't be disappointed. Never been stuck. We got mega snow last year and are expecting even more this year.
Post on here what you think if you get them.

 

[G-829149]

Our genesis is terrbile on ice and snow. That is with snow tires. It seems to be the car trying to over adjust to tire slipping. It makes driving conditions dangerous. I have had a couple of wheel alignments to see if that can help. No help. I think there is a design flaw with the car.

 

[homeofstone]

Have you had RWD cars in the past? If not then you found that they drive very differently than FWD in snow.

 

[TinsleyC]

I'm curious what drive type you all have (RWD, AWD), engine, and tires. It helps others compare their experience.

I haven't had mine in the snow yet (Texas) but it can't be any worse than my Infiniti G37 RWD, which was manageable.

I once had a Chevy Celebrity FWD, and would strap an old tire to the front bumper so I could push other cars out of stuck spots. It was amazing.

Hoping my G80 RWD 3.8 with stock Michelin All-Seasons is okay.

 

[EdP]

Our genesis is terrbile on ice and snow. That is with snow tires. It seems to be the car trying to over adjust to tire slipping. It makes driving conditions dangerous. I have had a couple of wheel alignments to see if that can help. No help. I think there is a design flaw with the car.

No car is good on ice. There may be different levels of bad but none are good. I don't know your conditions so cannot comment. When I lived in snow territory I bought AWD Genesis and passed many cars struggling on hills. With ice i stayed home. Think about that on your next buy.

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[KptKrunch]

Our genesis is terrbile on ice and snow. That is with snow tires. It seems to be the car trying to over adjust to tire slipping. It makes driving conditions dangerous. I have had a couple of wheel alignments to see if that can help. No help. I think there is a design flaw with the car.

We have lots of snow and ice where I am, my G70 sport AWD is better on it (with Michelin Xice 3 tires) than my Outback. More planted, slides less, stops better, starts better. Not sure about your experience either. I've been driving on ice / snow for almost 40 years (seasonally of course) and during that time I've had RWD cars with no LSD on all seasons (and not very good all seasons) to SUV's with Snow tires and my G70 so far is the best I've had. I have 100% confidence in it. Would also like to know what you are experiencing, and what you are expecting. Because it really doesn't matter what you're driving, and what you have for tires, your vehicle is going to slide around on ice. If you aren't comfortable with that, or you expect it to behave on ice like it does on dry pavement, then yeah, any vehicle would be rated as 'terrible' lol.

 

[AgentSmith007]

Our genesis is terrbile on ice and snow. That is with snow tires. It seems to be the car trying to over adjust to tire slipping. It makes driving conditions dangerous. I have had a couple of wheel alignments to see if that can help. No help. I think there is a design flaw with the car.

@G-829149

That is a very bold and false statement.

And, BTW, your ID looks very strange. It is not linked to your profile, and there is no any information below your ID.
Very strange indeed.

 

[edizzle89]

I think there is a design flaw with the car.

I'm curious as to what design should be changed? you already have snow tires so what else could be done to make it better? Of the 14 cars I've owned I've had AWD, RWD, FWD, 4WD, and had v8's, v6's, 4 cylinders, turbo cars, some lifted and some lowered, in everything from trucks, SUV's, sedans, and coupes, and have never had snow tires on any of them. They all had their own unique characteristics while driving in the snow but where pretty predictable once you got use to them. I've never though any of them acted in any way that surprised me to think there was an issue with the design.

 

[OlderGuy1stGenesis]

January 21, 2020
In the old days you were forced to buy separate real snow and ice tires and winter tires were generally installed on used rims (cheaper). This is standard operation for people in snow climates. A lot of people don't like to do this because now we have eight wheels and four of the eight need to be stored somewhere year round.

What is newer is a newer generation of much improved ''all season'' tires: new compounds AND tread designs. Some of the tires are coming from Europe: Germany, Holland, and the Scandinavian countries. These are well vetted. And there are American/Canadian versions as well. These newer tires seem to work very well for snow and light ice up to 2'' AND can be driven year round even in Florida in the summer. Some make a bit more noise, but they can be used as all year tires. In the case of the Genesis, you can buy two matched tires at a time and start by placing the new tires ON THE REAR first for traction. Since the right rear tire is the first to spin, you could even put one on the right rear and gain improvement.

 

[edizzle89]

Since the right rear tire is the first to spin, you could even put one on the right rear and gain improvement.

i agree with everything you said exempt this part^

that’s not how open diffs work, the tire with the least traction will spin first, put the left rear in snow or dirt or gravel or just wet pavement and the right rear on dry pavement and the left rear will spin

 

[EdP]

i agree with everything you said exempt this part^

that’s not how open diffs work, the tire with the least traction will spin first, put the left rear in snow or dirt or gravel or just wet pavement and the right rear on dry pavement and the left rear will spin

Correct. On old and inaccurate thought that the right rear was the drive wheel. Given dry pavement and fast acceleration, the RR did spin but it was due to torque twisting the drivetrain and taking some pressure off that side allowing it to spin.

Smart teenagers would do dad a favor and rotate tires for him so he would not as easily catch on to how they were driving the family sedan.

 

[TinsleyC]

In high school I had a '69 Lincoln Mark III, 460ci V8 that would smoke the right-rear tire when you nailed it. I recall writing my initials in rubber on the street in front of a girl's house. Somehow she wasn't impressed, but the guys were!


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[OlderGuy1stGenesis]

i agree with everything you said exempt this part^

that’s not how open diffs work, the tire with the least traction will spin first, put the left rear in snow or dirt or gravel or just wet pavement and the right rear on dry pavement and the left rear will spin

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Its an ''iffy'' thing. A simple differential will spin FIRST the tire with the LEAST traction. In my experience, that is the right rear. However if a right rear tire was on solid concrete, and the left was on ice, the tire with the least traction spins first.

So yeah, the rule IS, replace both tires at once, matched. On some of the new electric cars, they are beginning to experiment with motors on each wheel. With modified ABS electronics you could get perfect traction. But then using only 1 motor to drive 2 front wheels and 1 motor to drive 2 rear wheels reduces manufacturing costs.
In the 60 - 70's front wheel drive was rare. On Chrysler's with torsion bar suspension, (my favorite suspension) you could adjust the left or right one to maximize ''foot to the floor acceleration/traction and minimize wheel spin.

 

[23GreenG70]

Some of you may have heard but the < 1 inch of snow last night during rush hour created havoc in the dc metro. I was fine the first half of the drive home but during the second half I found myself slipping, skidding, fishtailing on the interstate on the slightest of inclines. the abridged version of the story is I skidded into a low sidewalk curb and eventually parked the car in a school lot, tried to call uber but they didn't want to come, so got a ride from a family member.

so - is it the car that's just bad in snow or is it the tires? your answer probably is both but how much better will having particular model of a/s tires help? i do not want to have a seperate set of tires for the winter. I have yokohama avid envigor which according to tire rack has a rating of around 5/10 for snow traction.

I live in New Hampshire where we get plenty of snow. I believe all of my cars with AWD have always done well when equipped with the correct winter tire. Remember there is no part of your car that touched the road other than your tires. My experience is that a moderate pedal
is helpful although sometimes you have to power thru a drift. The correct choice in tires is the most important item on your agenda. Put on dedicated winter tires and you’ll always be good to go. Put on UHP AS tires and you’ll need to figure it out as you drive. I’ve seen a corvette with Blizzak tires do just fine in the snow while the same car with Michelin ZP tires could even move at any RPM. If you want to go in snow buy the tires you need.