Predictions on 3.3t pricing?

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What does everyone think the 3.3 is going to cost?

Straight conversion from WON to USD is about $49k.

Aby thoughts, rumours, predictions?

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Actually price (in WON) for the lower end 3.3t is about 39k

https://www.genesis.com/content/gen...ce-list/Genesis-pricelist-g70-en-2017-oct.pdf

 

[Mark_888]

Historically, there has been no way to predict USA pricing of the Genesis sedan based on Korean pricing. There are many reasons for this, including that the Packages are not typically the same in Korea as in USA (not same features). So the same may occur for all Genesis Motors vehicles in the USA.

But there are many factors, including the cost of setting up Genesis Motors in the USA, the much longer warranty offered in the USA, etc. But in the past, the Korean models were much more expensive than USA models, so hard to know in advance what the pricing will be.

 

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Historically, there has been no way to predict USA pricing of the Genesis sedan based on Korean pricing.

. . .
But in the past, the Korean models were much more expensive than USA models, so hard to know in advance what the pricing will be.

Well, that seems to bode well then for us (here in the US)

 

[Mark_888]

Well, that seems to bode well then for us (here in the US)

Maybe or maybe not. I think we will have to wait and see what happens. Genesis Motors is a new brand in the USA with a new cost structure.

 

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Maybe or maybe not. I think we will have to wait and see what happens. Genesis Motors is a new brand in the USA with a new cost structure.

g80 WON pricing seems favorable when compared with US pricing
https://www.genesis.com/kr/en/luxur...fications-detail.html?so=TR_3.8PR&st=TR_3.8FE

Packages are bit different, but it seems like everything is priced below korean->USD converted prices. That feels like a good omen!

 

[Gstorm]

57.5k for the G70 3.3t AWD

 

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57.5k for the G70 3.3t AWD

Wow, that seems really high! What makes you think they'll price it so high!

That's above the g80 sport MSRP - it would be weird for a C-class AMG model to be priced above the equivalent E-Class AMG model, no?

 

[devellis]

Pricing is going to be critical. There are lots of options in this class, virtually all with established track records. Some cost more than others and some lack features that the G70 will have. The Infiniti Q50 is one I'm considering. The AWD Red Sport 400 with 400 HP is being discounted pretty aggressively and the two Infinitis I've owned have been really great cars -- nary a problem with either one and the G37 Sport with 6-speed manual was a great driver's car that I still miss. The QX50 I have now is tamer (and more practical) but still a surprisingly agile car for it size (a bit under 2 tons), power (328 HP), and configuration (crossover). By all accounts, the RS400 is several notches up from the Infiniti G37 as a driver's car, which is strong praise. But if Genesis can come in at a good price for a fully-equipped AWD 3.3T Dynamic (or whatever the sportier version ends up being), I'd very seriously consider the G70 as an alternative to a new AWD Q50 RS400. Despite fewer horses, I think the G70 will be similarly quick to 60 (RS400 does it in 4.5 seconds), with a higher top end (167 versus 153, less important to me) and potentially an engine (3.3 liters versus 3.0) that doesn't have to work as hard to produce its power (365 HP versus 400). But going to Genesis from Infiniti will be something of a leap of faith and an attractive price would make that leap a whole lot easier. If out-the-door prices are similar, it would be hard to switch for me, given my experience with Infiniti automobiles and and the customer experience their dealerships provide. So, as I said, pricing will be critical for me, and I suspect, for others. If value is excellent, then going with n unknown quantity may be worth the gamble. Honestly, I hope that's how things play out.

 

[Mcc]

Pricing is going to be critical. There are lots of options in this class, virtually all with established track records. Some cost more than others and some lack features that the G70 will have. The Infiniti Q50 is one I'm considering. The AWD Red Sport 400 with 400 HP is being discounted pretty aggressively and the two Infinitis I've owned have been really great cars -- nary a problem with either one and the G37 Sport with 6-speed manual was a great driver's car that I still miss. The QX50 I have now is tamer (and more practical) but still a surprisingly agile car for it size (a bit under 2 tons), power (328 HP), and configuration (crossover). By all accounts, the RS400 is several notches up from the Infiniti G37 as a driver's car, which is strong praise. But if Genesis can come in at a good price for a fully-equipped AWD 3.3T Dynamic (or whatever the sportier version ends up being), I'd very seriously consider the G70 as an alternative to a new AWD Q50 RS400. Despite fewer horses, I think the G70 will be similarly quick to 60 (RS400 does it in 4.5 seconds), with a higher top end (167 versus 153, less important to me) and potentially an engine (3.3 liters versus 3.0) that doesn't have to work as hard to produce its power (365 HP versus 400). But going to Genesis from Infiniti will be something of a leap of faith and an attractive price would make that leap a whole lot easier. If out-the-door prices are similar, it would be hard to switch for me, given my experience with Infiniti automobiles and and the customer experience their dealerships provide. So, as I said, pricing will be critical for me, and I suspect, for others. If value is excellent, then going with n unknown quantity may be worth the gamble. Honestly, I hope that's how things play out.

It looks like the 2017 Q50 RS500 AWD lists at almost $60,000 with the technology package. How much are you expecting or hoping the 2018 G70 to list at?

 

[devellis]

It looks like the 2017 Q50 RS500 AWD lists at almost $60,000 with the technology package. How much are you expecting or hoping the 2018 G70 to list at?

Well, actually, fully loaded and including delivery charge, the Q50 RS400 AWD runs up to about $62,000. But discounting is pretty steep, with Q50 forum members reporting about a 12% discount, which puts the car at about $54,500. Not having driven it, I can't say what I'd be willing to pay but that establishes a reference point. I'd be looking to buy but I believe their leasing deals are also very attractive. If the G70, AWD, fully loaded, in its most performance-oriented version (Dynamic?) can come in at or under that, I think it will do well (assuming it does what we all believe it will as far as luxury, performance, etc.). I'd certainly be attracted to it. Above that, it will face stiffer competition.

On paper (and on video, from what we have so far), I think the G70 is the more appealing car, largely because of its advanced tech features, some of which (like HUD) Infiniti doesn't have yet. I'm also not a big fan of the run-flat tires that are standard on the AWD Infiniti. But Infiniti has a great track record and customer experience working for it. As I said, until I can drive them both within a short enough time frame to be able to make direct comparisons, I don't know which I'd actually prefer owning. But I'm leaning toward the G70 based on what we know now. I hope the driving experience and price support my leaning that way. It's a car I'd like to own if it meets expectations.

Honestly, I'm expecting the US-spec car to be even better than the Korean models we've seen so far in videos. The suspension will be tighter on the US-spec cars, which is a big plus for me. They may also be able to squeeze a few more horses out of the engine with a more aggressive management system. The Korean G70 experience, plus the Stinger experience, should give them a sense of whether they can safely push the engine platform a bit more. If they can squeeze out a few more HP without reliability taking a hit, that would be a good thing. One advantage of the Q50 is its HP hits the magic 400. If it were, say, 397 HP, it really wouldn't matter as far as performance goes but the psychological benefit of having a 400 HP engine would be lost. As childish as it is, I do find myself liking the idea of 400 HP, even though I think the G70 with 365 HP will perform as well as the Q50.

Both are really nice cars. I'm leaning toward the G70 and I'm hoping that once they arrive, pricing, performance, and sales approach don't burst that bubble. If they do, the Q50 RS400 AWD is a very appealing fallback.

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[EdP]

Well, actually, fully loaded and including delivery charge, the Q50 RS400 AWD runs up to about $62,000. But discounting is pretty steep, with Q50 forum members reporting about a 12% discount, which puts the car at about $54,500. Not having driven it, I can't say what I'd be willing to pay but that establishes a reference point. I'd be looking to buy but I believe their leasing deals are also very attractive. If the G70, AWD, fully loaded, in its most performance-oriented version (Dynamic?) can come in at or under that, I think it will do well (assuming it does what we all believe it will as far as luxury, performance, etc.). I'd certainly be attracted to it. Above that, it will face stiffer competition.

The G70 is positioned below the G80 and a fully loaded G80 Ultimate or Sport comes in at $55 to $58,000 sticker. I can see the G70 coming in at $3 to $5 thousand less. Now it is possible they will have a super duper special model but i think most will be in the lower sweet spot. Overall, I think it will do well. The Azera was a notch up from the Sonata but seemed lost in the marketing and dealer showroom.

 

[cagilber]

All the latest reviews on the Stinger GT 3.3T AWD are estimating $52,500 approx. for the Kia. I can't imagine the Genesis version would sell for the same, but I expect it will come in at about $56k, about the same price as a fully loaded non-sport G80.

 

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Whats the price of the g80 sport?

 

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Whats the price of the g80 sport?

$55250 here in CT

 

[armen212]

just get the g70 and the piggy back tune. you'll still have the "psychological benefit" lol and more. not good with conversions but minimum 420 with a max of around 450hp. its only like 600 so you'll pay less and get more. also i might be a genesis fanboy but I'm speaking honestly and with experience when i say genesis quality is much better than infiniti.

 

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I just dont understand how the g80 sport can be priced at 55k but some people think the g70 3.3t (g70 sport?) Will be priced higher....

 

[devellis]

The G70 is positioned below the G80 and a fully loaded G80 Ultimate or Sport comes in at $55 to $58,000 sticker. I can see the G70 coming in at $3 to $5 thousand less. Now it is possible they will have a super duper special model but i think most will be in the lower sweet spot. Overall, I think it will do well. The Azera was a notch up from the Sonata but seemed lost in the marketing and dealer showroom.

Pricing in that ballpark would make it a very attractive competitor.

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I hear ya, but I've never been a fan of that type of mod. Warranty issues. Reliability issues. Fuel consumption issues. Driveability issues. It's pretty hard for any aftermarket product to yield substantial power increases without at least some of those raising their ugly heads. I know a lot of people get them and have good results and I certainly understand why they would. Just not for me. I've always kept my cars stock and have counted on the manufacturer to determine what they feel is a safe power level for the platform. Again, no criticism of others who do otherwise. I'm just a bit risk-averse where this stuff is concerned.

And of course, once you start comparing cars with mods, there's no end. Virtually every car out there with any sporty character has some hot mods available. I don't really know what the options would be (for comparison purposes) for the Q50 but I know such options exist. I know that AMS Performance will be doing a Red Alpha series of modded Q50s, with enhancements that were developed in conjunction with Nissan/Infiniti. But even those semi-approved mods won't be covered by warranty. For me, the head-to-head between Q50 and G70 will be un-modded. If the G70 turns out as good as we're all anticipating and at the prices suggested here, it will be a winner, for sure, even if it doesn't hit 400 HP un-modded. Of course if the factory can find a way of squeezing in a few more ponies without impacting the warranty, I'd be very happy with that. And that may well be possible. If Infiniti is getting 400 HP out of a 3-liter twin turbo, there must be room in a 3.3 liter twin turbo for a little more output without the thing blowing up. I can understand their wanting to be cautious, but a slight bump up would be a nice nod to the US market and would be in keeping with the stiffer suspension we'll be getting. Just have to wait and see.

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I just dont understand how the g80 sport can be priced at 55k but some people think the g70 3.3t (g70 sport?) Will be priced higher....

That would seem pretty strange and might be counterproductive if it leaves G80 owners somehow feeling that their model has been diluted. It also seems to contradict the model naming structure, which would seem like a good way to confuse and annoy customers, especially for a new marque. The logic of the -70, -80, -90 models is useful and informative as long as it continues to signify different price tiers and a different focus for each tier. Otherwise, not so much.

We're all just guessing at this point but it strikes me as unlikely that they'd price the G70 above the G80. But what do I know?

 

[YEH]

Stinger pricing could be a good indicator:

2.0 base: $32,795

2.0 Premium: $37,895

3.3 GT: $39,895

3.3 GT1: $44,395

3.3 GT2: $50,395


Of course, pricing will differ on what types of features Hyundai includes in the various packages.

While the G70 has to price in the luxury brand amenities (such as concierge service and loaners), the Stinger is the larger vehicle and the K900 is a tweener in both size and price btwn the G80 and G90 - so wouldn't be shocked if the G70 undercuts the Stinger in price (as an aside, the Stinger has been getting pretty positive review, so a promising indicator for the G70, altho think Hyundai erred in not offering a bit more room in the rear).

In comparison to the G80, the G70 may be priced closer as the G70 likely not only offers more tech, but has a better interior respective to its segment.

For instance, someone in G70 development insisted that everything that looks like metal be actual metal, such as the door releases (and pretty sure also the paddle shifters).

Having metal-painted plastic for those bits (touch points) on the G80 was a major criticism of mine (altho some didn't see it as a big deal), but for now, the G70 will be nicer to the touch than the G80 in a number of areas.

 

[Bamm1]

Stinger pricing could be a good indicator:

2.0 base: $32,795

2.0 Premium: $37,895

3.3 GT: $39,895

3.3 GT1: $44,395

3.3 GT2: $50,395


Of course, pricing will differ on what types of features Hyundai includes in the various packages.

While the G70 has to price in the luxury brand amenities (such as concierge service and loaners), the Stinger is the larger vehicle and the K900 is a tweener in both size and price btwn the G80 and G90 - so wouldn't be shocked if the G70 undercuts the Stinger in price (as an aside, the Stinger has been getting pretty positive review, so a promising indicator for the G70, altho think Hyundai erred in not offering a bit more room in the rear).

In comparison to the G80, the G70 may be priced closer as the G70 likely not only offers more tech, but has a better interior respective to its segment.

For instance, someone in G70 development insisted that everything that looks like metal be actual metal, such as the door releases (and pretty sure also the paddle shifters).

Having metal-painted plastic for those bits (touch points) on the G80 was a major criticism of mine (altho some didn't see it as a big deal), but for now, the G70 will be nicer to the touch than the G80 in a number of areas.

The Stinger is also missing the 360 degree camera, wireless charging and rear heated seats. Puddle lighting and remote start are available for an additional cost on the Stinger as well. All options I think the G70 will have as standard, on what I am assuming will be the G70 Sport (G80 Sport equivalent) trim. That, combined with the valet free maintenance, I think gets you a few grand price gap over where the Stinger landed. I also think it will have to end up under the price of the G80 Sport.

So the G70 Sport AWD model should end up between $52,145 (Stinger GT2 AWD + RS + PL) and $57,750 (G80 Sport AWD). Likely falling much closer to the Stinger since the G80 is a higher class size (E-class, 5-series, etc.) and comes with additional upgrades (higher wattage sound system with more speakers [15 vs. 17], 9.2 inch infotainment screen, etc.)

 

[Richard Wendt]

A good friend just purchased one a week ago. I didn't see the numbers and that wouldn't mean much in that there was a trade.

If I may make a suggestion, do a search of the internet. I use Cars.com and see what they are selling for. At this time there are 399 RWD matches in the entire country. The cheapest one which lists for $56,450 is priced at $48,455. The highest price was $58,895. I have seen a barely used one for less but I'm dubious.

What I would consider is finding the best deal and flying in to pick it up and driving it home. You could save a ton of money and it won't cost that much in gasoline as it gets about 28 mpg on the highway.