Factory Oil Filter Only??

[New2Me2013Genesis3.8]

A friend of mine is a service writer at my local Hyundai dealer and he told me that the head mechanic at his dealership told him that an aftermarket oil filter will cause the engine to blow up, what?

Anyone else heard of this?

 

[homeofstone]

Maybe not blow up but can cause damage. Only use oem filters. DON"T go cheap. I always use oem filters for engine oil. Hyundai issued TSB about this.

 

[New2Me2013Genesis3.8]

Interesting. Anyone know what makes the OEM so special?

 

[EdP]

Never heard of such a thing. There are a few different engines, is this supposedly true of all of them? I'd not buy a generic filter, but the major brands should be equal to the OEM. With no hard proof, I'd say it is BS. I do know my local NAPA dealer does not carry a filter to fit but that is probably due to the lack of call for them. I'd trust a Wix or Fram as I have for the past 50+ years.

Did he say you need Genesis widow washer fluid too> Some dealer would like to to buy it.

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Interesting. Anyone know what makes the OEM so special?

Price?

 

[New2Me2013Genesis3.8]

Factory oil filter is around $10.00. I have used Wix on every vehicle I own with great success. The Wix is also around $10.00. I have no problem using the OEM filter just seems odd they would say that. Other than the fact that they want you bring your car into the dealer so they can up sell.

 

[GarnetTy1473]

The only filter they were having problems with is the aftermarket spin on filters, which none of the Genesis take, other than a 2.0 Gen Coupe. The spin on ones from Hyundai have an anti-drainback valve, which most aftermarkets did not have, which was causing a "tick" to occur. The cartridge ones are not affected by this. I have noticed that the Hyundai cartridge filters last a lot longer for those that don't like to maintain their vehicles. Typically I see a Hyundai filter start coming apart between 27-30k miles without an oil change. The aftermarket ones typically last about 15k miles before they come apart. If you do actually maintain your vehicle, you shouldn't have any issue, unless the filter doesn't fit correctly. Mahle makes most, if not all of the Hyundai OEM filters.

 

[homeofstone]

The problems with after market oil filters for the 4.6 is well documented in this forum. The 4.6, 5.0 and 3.8 engines do not use spin on filters. Proper OEM Hyundai filters are available online at low prices. I have purchased from Amazon.

 

[Gunkk]

Yes, use only the OEM filters or HMA will deny engine warranty claims if you spin a bearing or have other oil related issues.

 

[EdP]

Yes, use only the OEM filters or HMA will deny engine warranty claims if you spin a bearing or have other oil related issues.

Maybe, maybe not. There are protections in place. I did see where a Hyundai was refused, but the filter did not have the check valve so it was not OEM equivalent.

From CR:
ncluded in the protections for reasonable use in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is the right for consumers to have the vehicle serviced at a business of their choice and the option to use aftermarket parts, meaning potentially money-saving alternatives to those that came on the car, while retaining the original warranty. The automaker is not allowed to void a warranty just because a nonfactory part is used.

Where things can get sticky is when the work or parts are associated with a problem are deemed by a dealership as not performing correctly or are otherwise defective. You have the right to seek alternatives to the dealer for repairs or parts, but remember that good work and good parts are key to a good ownership experience.

Should something go wrong, the warranty provider will need to determine the cause of the problem. The Federal Trade Commission says, “The manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.” That means if the dealer can prove (the burden is on the dealer) the problem was caused by the wrong viscosity or a poor quality oil filter, your warranty can be denied. Warranty protection would still be in effect for other parts of the cars.

 

[Audio]

ESPECIALLY after the Ford debacle, it's a very safe bet to just stick to factory filters on any vehicle with cartridge filters. There's too much variation on manufacturing fit/sizes. A screw on filter doesn't have an issue with it's physical dimensions causing an issue, as long as the internals do their jobs and the threads screw it down. Cartridge filters, the actual diameter of the center hole and length of the filter can greatly affect how it fits, does it's job, and potentially gets crushed in the housing. Factory filters are not expensive, so why take the chance?

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[Gunkk]

Well if you're prepared to risk the hassle of fighting a MMWA claim with a dealer & HMA who simply can say "your aftermarket filter caused your engine failure" then go knock yourself out. And for this you save five bucks?

 

[Mcc]

Well if you're prepared to risk the hassle of fighting a MMWA claim with a dealer & HMA who simply can say "your aftermarket filter caused your engine failure" then go knock yourself out. And for this you save five bucks?

I am NOT an a mechanical expert unlike many on this thread but I do agree with Gunkk. You have spend tens of thousands of dollars for this car. Why would you increase your risk by trying to save a few bucks? I guess I really don’t understand, it is a money savings (how much?), a performance increase (how much?), or just for the fun of it?

 

[EdP]

I am an a mechanical expert like many on this thread but I do agree with Gunkk. You have spend tens of thousands of dollars for this car. Why would you increase your risk by trying to save a few bucks? I guess I really don’t understand, it is a money savings (how much?), a performance increase (how much?), or just for the fun of it?

One reason is the dealer is 45 miles away and the auto parts store is 4 blocks. I'd not advocate using a cheap generic brand, but the majors meet and sometimes exceed OEM specs on parts. Millions of oil changes are dove every year with Fram, Wix and others with no harm. It is not just about saving a couple of bucks, it is convenience too. If there is evidence that alternate brand that meet OEM specs damaged an engine, I've not seen it. Perhaps you have.

 

[homeofstone]

Order 2 OEM filters at from Amazon and use one then when you use the next one order another one. Easy and its delivered to your door.

 

[Mark_888]

One reason is the dealer is 45 miles away and the auto parts store is 4 blocks. I'd not advocate using a cheap generic brand, but the majors meet and sometimes exceed OEM specs on parts. Millions of oil changes are dove every year with Fram, Wix and others with no harm. It is not just about saving a couple of bucks, it is convenience too. If there is evidence that alternate brand that meet OEM specs damaged an engine, I've not seen it. Perhaps you have.

As has been explained before, if you are talking about spin-on filters, you are correct, But there are potential problems with cartridge filters, which must fit exactly inside the removable plastic filter housing. In the past some of the after-market companies have specified the wrong cartridge filter for the Genesis, which ended up not fitting exactly. So it is not really a matter of how cheap or expensive the filter element is, but whether it has the exact correct dimensions.

If you want to get a Mahle filter, and if you make sure it is the correct one for the Genesis, that is probably OK because Mahle makes the entire Genesis filter system and the OEM filters for Hyundai.

As mentioned above, one can get them online at various websites. There are Hyundai dealers who sell online for 25% off list, and no sales tax (unless you are in the same state as the dealer). You will pay shipping, but purchasing multiple oil, engine air, and cabin filters at the same time will make shipping cost pretty much irrelevant.

 

[EdP]

If you want to get a Mahle filter, and if you make sure it is the correct one for the Genesis, that is probably OK because Mahle makes the entire Genesis filter system and the OEM filters for Hyundai.

In another thread it was mentioned the Hyundai uses the cheapest parts available. I'd want to use the best filter available. is the one by Mahle the best? Is there conclusive data? I've not seen any but it is not a matter of saving a buck, but getting the best. There may be better out there.

 

[Mark_888]

In another thread it was mentioned the Hyundai uses the cheapest parts available. I'd want to use the best filter available. is the one by Mahle the best? Is there conclusive data? I've not seen any but it is not a matter of saving a buck, but getting the best. There may be better out there.

No, Hyundai does not use the cheapest parts available.

The Mahle is the best and it is identical to the one sold by as the Hyundai OEM filter, as Mahle makes it for Hyundai.

In a cartridge filter system, the exact fit of the cartridge is far more important than the filter element.

This subject has been discussed and documented many times over the last 9 years that I have been on this forum, with lots of threads and posts. I am not going repeat every detail over and over again. If you don't believe me, then go ahead and make my day and by whatever filter you want. If you are lucky, it will also be made by Mahle (made for an aftermarket brand). If you are unlucky, it will not fit correctly.

 

[Mcc]

Well said, Mark_888.

 

[New2Me2013Genesis3.8]

Well I appreciate all of the information provided here. As I stated in an earlier post I am fine with using the OEM. I am new to the Hyundai line up and the Genesis itself so I am trying to learn all I can. I am VERY particular about maintenance on my vehicles, (265,000 on an 2002 Ford Expedition, Original motor and trans) so I want to make sure that I am doing things the best I can with this Genesis, love the car. Also I do have a local auto parts store around the corner from my house but the dealer is maybe a 20 minute drive so not really a big deal.

I can understand that if the cartridge does not fit correctly problems will ensue. OEM is probably the way I will go to be safe, car is for the wife, happy wife....happy life!

 

[Gunkk]

Good move!