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Predictions on 3.3t pricing?

A good friend just purchased one a week ago. I didn't see the numbers and that wouldn't mean much in that there was a trade.

If I may make a suggestion, do a search of the internet. I use Cars.com and see what they are selling for. At this time there are 399 RWD matches in the entire country. The cheapest one which lists for $56,450 is priced at $48,455. The highest price was $58,895. I have seen a barely used one for less but I'm dubious.

What I would consider is finding the best deal and flying in to pick it up and driving it home. You could save a ton of money and it won't cost that much in gasoline as it gets about 28 mpg on the highway.

Do you mean he purchased a G80 sport?

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Kia Stinger US Pricing is now released:

https://www.kia.com/us/en/build/stinger/2018/trims?trim=121&model=751

The good parts:
GT 3.3 starts at 38k
Gt1 43k
GT2 49k

That's the MSRP - we'll see what they actually go for soon....
 
Do you mean he purchased a G80 sport?

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Kia Stinger US Pricing is now released:

https://www.kia.com/us/en/build/stinger/2018/trims?trim=121&model=751

The good parts:
GT 3.3 starts at 38k
Gt1 43k
GT2 49k

That's the MSRP - we'll see what they actually go for soon....

Yes, he bought a new G80 Sport RWD. Traded in a pristine 2013 Toyota Avalon. I didn't get involved in the number crunching but they love the car after putting on 1,000 miles in about a week.

There are 4,392 total G-80s currently carried on Cars.com throughout the United States. 1,913 are AWD and 2,403 are RWD. The numbers of Sport models are as I type this are said earlier are 401 cars in inventory with RWD. There are 478 AWD in inventory. 900 in all including "unknown."

The dealers would obviously have more up to date inventory numbers but these are pretty close to the mark. In point of fact I ran down the particular car my friend bought as it was a dealer trade.
 
Yes, he bought a new G80 Sport RWD. Traded in a pristine 2013 Toyota Avalon. I didn't get involved in the number crunching but they love the car after putting on 1,000 miles in about a week.

There are 4,392 total G-80s currently carried on Cars.com throughout the United States. 1,913 are AWD and 2,403 are RWD. The numbers of Sport models are as I type this are said earlier are 401 cars in inventory with RWD. There are 478 AWD in inventory. 900 in all including "unknown."

The dealers would obviously have more up to date inventory numbers but these are pretty close to the mark. In point of fact I ran down the particular car my friend bought as it was a dealer trade.

I am sorry. I think I am confused. I am on this forum because I am considering the G70 as a possible purchase next year. This particular thread is speculating as to what it will cost. So the pricing of the G80 was brought up as a frame of reference.

Are you suggesting people just buy a G80 and forget about the G70?
 
I think it is more likely that posters can’t seem to stay on topic.
 
I don't care about G70 price because I know for sure this car will not have a red seat.
 
I don't care about G70 price because I know for sure this car will not have a red seat.

But they will have quilted leather seats with red contrast stitching on the Sport model that I really like.

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I think it is more likely that posters can’t seem to stay on topic.

Yeah, it looks like he inadvertently posted in a G70 discussion thinking it was a G80 discussion. The man is 72 years old - and posting on a forum. I'll be lucky to be breathing at all at 72 at the rate I'm going. We can cut him some slack. :p
 
I got to see the G70 last week at its unveiling in Toronto. :)

In Canada the G70 will be roughly mid-$40k to high $50k. I am presuming the 3.3T will start in the low to mid $50k area for the non-Sport trim.
 
$50kCDN = just under $39kUS That sounds about right, at least what I would expect looking at the G80 pricing.
 
$50kCDN = just under $39kUS That sounds about right, at least what I would expect looking at the G80 pricing.

If those numbers hold, then with sport trim, the G70 should come in at roughly the high 40's to low 50's. That would make it competitive and well might get people who have been looking at more established brands in the sports sedan sector to start looking at Genesis as an alternative. I still feel that a lot is riding on the price point, quality, and performance that these cars have when they first hit the US. If they can offer the car in good performance trim (for street, not track) at an attractive price, I think they'll sell a lot of product. If the car doesn't have good performance in its sport version or is priced too close to more established sports sedans, there will be little reason for people to check it out. Some other cars in this segment (like Infiniti) are pricing very aggressively these days. I've heard of prices 10K off of MSRP for the Red Sport 400 model, for example. On paper, with some tweaks for the US market, the G70 can go toe-to-toe with that Infiniti. But it has to come in at a better price (better than selling price, not just MSRP) and with similar or better performance to attract Infiniti customers.

I've had two Infinitis and the ownership experience has been excellent. I was pretty much sold on getting the RS400 with its 400 HP turbo V6 until I caught wind of the G70. I found it because I'd admired the earlier Genesis coupe, which I knew was discontinued. So I was specifically looking at Genesis as a possible alternative, at least on an exploratory basis. But most owners of existing cars in the premium sports sedan segment will gravitate back to what they're familiar with unless word-of-mouth takes them down a different path. Ads alone won't do it. Every company will have ads that tout the superiority of their cars. But if the motoring press and actual drivers have a great experience with the new G70, and it has competitive performance at an attractive price, then people will pay attention.

My brother sold Mercedes for years and has owned a variety of luxury sedans and SUVs over the years. He stumbled onto the Hyundai Genesis several years ago and almost bought one because the dealers were so willing to price aggressively. But his current car at the time was still serving him well and he wasn't ready for a new purchase quite yet. About a year ago, he was ready for a new car and looked at the Hyundai Genesis but found that the aggressive pricing of a few years past had ended. He wound up buying something else. In his case (and many others, I suspect), his perception of the Hyundai Genesis was a car that was working to offer what more established brands did. Aggressive pricing offset the perceived risk that the company may not have figured out how to build cars in this segment to the extent that the established players had. Absent that aggressive pricing, the pull just wasn't strong enough to get him to buy a Genesis.

When I bought my present Infiniti, the salesman subtly suggested that the (then-Hyundai) Genesis was working at matching the quality of more established brands but still didn't have their breadth of experience. He didn't say the quality was lacking but merely that their well of experience was much shallower, which is true. So, my point is, there's a well-worn path to BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Infiniti, and other marques for potential purchasers to tread. To get them to deviate from that path and try the Genesis, something needs to stand out. Being "as good" isn't enough, despite that being a bit unfair. The car needs to be a substantially better value. It looks like that will be the case. But old habits and prejudices die hard. If the car has similar performance specs to something like the Infiniti but looks like it will cost only a bit less, that may not be enough to divert most customers. Snob appeal, which still exerts some force, will be greater with the established brands. But if the G70's performance is noticeably better or its price is substantially less, then that may be enough to break people out of their established buying habits.

We at forums like this are the opinion leaders. We go to the trouble to find out which cars are truly the most appealing. I, and most of you, have become aware of all the great things that Genesis -- and the G70 in particular -- has to offer the sports sedan enthusiast. But most buyers don't do that much research. They'll wander back to the dealership where they last bought a car, see what the new models have to offer, find features that weren't in their last car, and probably just buy what they see. I almost did this, as I've stated. I discovered the Infiniti RS400 at my local dealership, was impressed with the concept, checked out its performance attributes, and was pretty much sold. Fortunately, I decided to see what was happening on the Genesis front and found out about the upcoming G70. What I saw was enough for me to hold off on a purchase until I can actually see what Genesis delivers once it reaches our shores. But I'm a lot more inquisitive about these things than the average buyer. Genesis will have to make a big splash -- and I think they can if they play their cards right -- if they're going to succeed in luring people away from the more established brands and into the G70. I sure hope they pull it off. I hope that they can convince me, and a whole lot of other people, that what they offer is really the best choice in this segment.
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I got to see the G70 last week at its unveiling in Toronto. :)

In Canada the G70 will be roughly mid-$40k to high $50k. I am presuming the 3.3T will start in the low to mid $50k area for the non-Sport trim.

Are there any articles, etc. with the Canadian pricing information?

High 50K translates to 58, 59, ?

$50kCDN = just under $39kUS That sounds about right, at least what I would expect looking at the G80 pricing.

The Genesis G80 costs 18% more in the US than it does in Canada.

So lets say the G70 3.3T Sport AWD model comes in at 59k CAD (since I am not sure where "high 50's" is going to shake out). If Genesis uses the same mark up for the G70 as it does for the G80 then that would put the US pricing at ~54k. Excluding destination, that puts the G70 within ~2k of the "Stinger GT2+AWD+Remote Start + Puddle lamps". Which is where some were guessing it would land.

If the G70 turns out to be a mini-G80 Sport (all the same standard equipment) with better driving dynamics/performance and slightly better fuel economy, then at that price point, I think they may be very competitive. If all I have stated holds true (options, pricing, etc.) then I will likely be a customer.
 
I was just reading over at the Kia Stinger Forum that some dealers are marking up the car well above MSRP. In one case, the dealer in Irvine, CA has a $6000 markup plus about $7000 in what the poster called "B. S> add-ons." Some dealers are on record as not doing the mark-up thing, but there are a whole bunch that are in places as far afield as California, Florida, South Carolina, and Kentucky.

I suspect that these will dwindle as time passes but it's clearly turning off a whole lot of customers toward Kia and some of the posters have reported buying other cars in disgust.

Hyundai has more experience than Kia with higher-end models, having sold Genesis models for a few years before it became a brand of its own. So hopefully, they won't make this mistake. Clearly, one of the things Genesis will face is the superior dealer experience offered by some of its competitors. If they pull this sort of nonsense, I think it will damage the brand significantly. The kiss of death for a premium brand is seeming cheap (as in, using inferior materials, having slimy sales people, cheesy-looking dealerships, etc.) or seeming like they're doing customers a huge favor by taking their money from them (tacking on additional costs at the last moment, over-charging for dealer accessories, padding prices with mark-ups, etc.). I'd much rather have a dealer tell me that availability on a given model is currently limited than suggest I pay what seems like extortion to get one somewhat sooner. The European and Japanese premium brands have figured this out and are mostly providing a very positive dealer experience. I've had those guys tell me, for example, that supply was limited but they'd be happy to give me a call when things loosened up to see if I was still interested. I've appreciated that approach. Let's hope that Genesis learns from them and doesn't make the mistake that Kia seems to be.
 
Are there any articles, etc. with the Canadian pricing information?

High 50K translates to 58, 59, ?



The Genesis G80 costs 18% more in the US than it does in Canada.

So lets say the G70 3.3T Sport AWD model comes in at 59k CAD (since I am not sure where "high 50's" is going to shake out). If Genesis uses the same mark up for the G70 as it does for the G80 then that would put the US pricing at ~54k. Excluding destination, that puts the G70 within ~2k of the "Stinger GT2+AWD+Remote Start + Puddle lamps". Which is where some were guessing it would land.

If the G70 turns out to be a mini-G80 Sport (all the same standard equipment) with better driving dynamics/performance and slightly better fuel economy, then at that price point, I think they may be very competitive. If all I have stated holds true (options, pricing, etc.) then I will likely be a customer.

No official pricing yet but estimated to be $58K CAD, give or take $1K.

The G70 will handle way better than the G80 Sport. 800 lbs less, limited slip differential even in AWD trims (in Canada, anyway), will hold gear in manual mode without upshifting, etc. It will also have some more features than the G80 Sport (e.g. more performance bits, Genesis Connected Services which is not yet available in Canada).

I was just reading over at the Kia Stinger Forum that some dealers are marking up the car well above MSRP. In one case, the dealer in Irvine, CA has a $6000 markup plus about $7000 in what the poster called "B. S> add-ons." Some dealers are on record as not doing the mark-up thing, but there are a whole bunch that are in places as far afield as California, Florida, South Carolina, and Kentucky.

I suspect that these will dwindle as time passes but it's clearly turning off a whole lot of customers toward Kia and some of the posters have reported buying other cars in disgust.

Hyundai has more experience than Kia with higher-end models, having sold Genesis models for a few years before it became a brand of its own. So hopefully, they won't make this mistake. Clearly, one of the things Genesis will face is the superior dealer experience offered by some of its competitors. If they pull this sort of nonsense, I think it will damage the brand significantly. The kiss of death for a premium brand is seeming cheap (as in, using inferior materials, having slimy sales people, cheesy-looking dealerships, etc.) or seeming like they're doing customers a huge favor by taking their money from them (tacking on additional costs at the last moment, over-charging for dealer accessories, padding prices with mark-ups, etc.). I'd much rather have a dealer tell me that availability on a given model is currently limited than suggest I pay what seems like extortion to get one somewhat sooner. The European and Japanese premium brands have figured this out and are mostly providing a very positive dealer experience. I've had those guys tell me, for example, that supply was limited but they'd be happy to give me a call when things loosened up to see if I was still interested. I've appreciated that approach. Let's hope that Genesis learns from them and doesn't make the mistake that Kia seems to be.

That sucks. Luckily for the customer, I cannot jack up the prices of Genesis vehicles as you buy direct from the manufacturer in Canada. :)
 
No official pricing yet but estimated to be $58K CAD, give or take $1K.

The G70 will handle way better than the G80 Sport. 800 lbs less, limited slip differential even in AWD trims (in Canada, anyway), will hold gear in manual mode without upshifting, etc. It will also have some more features than the G80 Sport (e.g. more performance bits, Genesis Connected Services which is not yet available in Canada).

Thanks for the follow up.

There are number of folks (myself included) who were looking at the Kia Stinger as a possible purchase. But, when the Stinger finally arrived it did not meet our expectations as far as content goes. The Canadian version has the 360 degree camera, rear heated seats, wireless charging and upgraded headliner (alcantara). But Kia America decided to remove all of those options when it finally arrived in the US.

I am looking at the G70 to get ALL of those features back as well as additional items such as Genesis Connected Services, Smart Posture Control System, Pick Up/Drop Off 3-year free maintenance, etc. to exceed the content of the Stinger. I may also be leaning more towards the no automatic upshifts, increased performance and fuel economy, etc. of the G70 vs. the Stinger's increase in rear seat room/trunk space and more parctical hatch.

Lastly, Kia doesn't offer the LSD on the AWD Stinger in any country. So I am not so sure it will happen with the G70 either. I have read some articles that pointed to that happening but I think it is just confusion on the part of the author. So "maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it" is where I am at. :D

That sucks. Luckily for the customer, I cannot jack up the prices of Genesis vehicles as you buy direct from the manufacturer in Canada. :)

I think it is a TERRIBLE business decision to add a "market adjustment" to the G70 and have it cost more than the "equivalent" G80 (say Sport vs Sport) sitting right next to it.

Kia has no other cars even remotely like the Stinger. So trying to steal people's money (call it what it is) with the notion it is some kind of rare performance halo model makes a tiny bit more sense. Don't read too much into that though. I still don't agree with the practice at all. I think the MSRP is too high already, never mind adding in mark up.
 
Thanks for the follow up.

There are number of folks (myself included) who were looking at the Kia Stinger as a possible purchase. But, when the Stinger finally arrived it did not meet our expectations as far as content goes. The Canadian version has the 360 degree camera, rear heated seats, wireless charging and upgraded headliner (alcantara). But Kia America decided to remove all of those options when it finally arrived in the US.

I am looking at the G70 to get ALL of those features back as well as additional items such as Genesis Connected Services, Smart Posture Control System, Pick Up/Drop Off 3-year free maintenance, etc. to exceed the content of the Stinger. I may also be leaning more towards the no automatic upshifts, increased performance and fuel economy, etc. of the G70 vs. the Stinger's increase in rear seat room/trunk space and more parctical hatch.

Lastly, Kia doesn't offer the LSD on the AWD Stinger in any country. So I am not so sure it will happen with the G70 either. I have read some articles that pointed to that happening but I think it is just confusion on the part of the author. So "maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it" is where I am at. :D



I think it is a TERRIBLE business decision to add a "market adjustment" to the G70 and have it cost more than the "equivalent" G80 (say Sport vs Sport) sitting right next to it.

Kia has no other cars even remotely like the Stinger. So trying to steal people's money (call it what it is) with the notion it is some kind of rare performance halo model makes a tiny bit more sense. Don't read too much into that though. I still don't agree with the practice at all. I think the MSRP is too high already, never mind adding in mark up.

I've favored the G70 over the Stinger from the first time I learned of the two of them. Your comments about Kia cutting back on what the Stinger offers only reinforces that. Price will be a factor, though. I want to go Genesis and it's a matter of whether the actual street price will let me do that. I won't be buying as soon as they come out and, in fact, I remember reading that the first ones may not be AWD, which I prefer. So, hopefully any outrageous prices will simmer down before I'm ready to buy. But I think Genesis would be making a big mistake to follow Kia's lead with respect to price inflation. A big part of the appeal of the G70 is relative affordability and high perceived value.

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Don't know why or if the folks on the Kia Stinger Forum would have any special insights into G70 pricing but I came across this over there:

Hey all. It seems Genesis G70 pricing is as follows.

$34,344 USD for the 2.0T, $41,121 starting for the 3.3TT and $47,440 for top 3.3TT trim. HTRAC AWD still remains a $2,000 option. Not sure how accurate these numbers are but we'll know in time.

If that's true, I'll be a happy boy. But, as speculated on the Stinger Forum, there may be more extra-cost options on the order sheet for the G70.
 
Thanks for the follow up.

There are number of folks (myself included) who were looking at the Kia Stinger as a possible purchase. But, when the Stinger finally arrived it did not meet our expectations as far as content goes. The Canadian version has the 360 degree camera, rear heated seats, wireless charging and upgraded headliner (alcantara). But Kia America decided to remove all of those options when it finally arrived in the US.

I am looking at the G70 to get ALL of those features back as well as additional items such as Genesis Connected Services, Smart Posture Control System, Pick Up/Drop Off 3-year free maintenance, etc. to exceed the content of the Stinger. I may also be leaning more towards the no automatic upshifts, increased performance and fuel economy, etc. of the G70 vs. the Stinger's increase in rear seat room/trunk space and more parctical hatch.

Lastly, Kia doesn't offer the LSD on the AWD Stinger in any country. So I am not so sure it will happen with the G70 either. I have read some articles that pointed to that happening but I think it is just confusion on the part of the author. So "maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it" is where I am at. :D



I think it is a TERRIBLE business decision to add a "market adjustment" to the G70 and have it cost more than the "equivalent" G80 (say Sport vs Sport) sitting right next to it.

Kia has no other cars even remotely like the Stinger. So trying to steal people's money (call it what it is) with the notion it is some kind of rare performance halo model makes a tiny bit more sense. Don't read too much into that though. I still don't agree with the practice at all. I think the MSRP is too high already, never mind adding in mark up.

LSD in AWD G70s confirmed for Canada. I know the Canadian Product Manager well and he is actually a car guy, unlike the product planners at a German manufacturer I used to work for. :)

Also I just wanted to clarify my comment -- it is absolutely a terrible decision to add a market adjustment and I do not agree with dealers that do such practices; I am saying that it sucks that it is even happening.
 
Also I just wanted to clarify my comment -- it is absolutely a terrible decision to add a market adjustment and I do not agree with dealers that do such practices; I am saying that it sucks that it is even happening.

I agree and have walked out of dealerships that do it. First time I saw it was late 80's at a Honda dealer. Other dealers padded the price adding vinyl roof, pin striping and other bolt on junk.
 
I've favored the G70 over the Stinger from the first time I learned of the two of them. Your comments about Kia cutting back on what the Stinger offers only reinforces that. Price will be a factor, though. I want to go Genesis and it's a matter of whether the actual street price will let me do that. I won't be buying as soon as they come out and, in fact, I remember reading that the first ones may not be AWD, which I prefer. So, hopefully any outrageous prices will simmer down before I'm ready to buy. But I think Genesis would be making a big mistake to follow Kia's lead with respect to price inflation. A big part of the appeal of the G70 is relative affordability and high perceived value.

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Don't know why or if the folks on the Kia Stinger Forum would have any special insights into G70 pricing but I came across this over there:

Hey all. It seems Genesis G70 pricing is as follows.

$34,344 USD for the 2.0T, $41,121 starting for the 3.3TT and $47,440 for top 3.3TT trim. HTRAC AWD still remains a $2,000 option. Not sure how accurate these numbers are but we'll know in time.

If that's true, I'll be a happy boy. But, as speculated on the Stinger Forum, there may be more extra-cost options on the order sheet for the G70.

If these pricing estimates are true that would be a huge blow to Kia. On the top trim versions of both models I don't think a hatch and some increased space is worth the ~3k premium (never mind the markups) while losing heated rear seats, 360 degree camera, wireless charging, synthetic suede headliner and having to pay for all of your maintenance.

But this would really hit the ground running for Genesis as the top trim model of the G70 would cost less than where the 340i xDrive, C43 AMG, S4, etc. all start.
 
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A "founding member" of the kia stinger forum posted this recent:

"Hey all. It seems Genesis G70 pricing is as follows.

$34,344 USD for the 2.0T, $41,121 starting for the 3.3TT and $47,440 for top 3.3TT trim. HTRAC AWD still remains a $2,000 option. Not sure how accurate these numbers are but we'll know in time."

https://stingerforum.org/threads/genesis-g70-pricing.1284/

Interesting....
 
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