Illinois says my Genesis is a Hyundai

[lt2211]

Just got the title back for my 2018 Genesis G80 and Illinois says MAKE Hyundai MODEL Genesis.

Of course, it should read MAKE Genesis MODEL G80

Time to do battle with the bureaucrats

 

[silberma]

Just got the title back for my 2018 Genesis G80 and Illinois says MAKE Hyundai MODEL Genesis.

Of course, it should read MAKE Genesis MODEL G80

Time to do battle with the bureaucrats

Same thing with Florida

 

[Mark_888]

Genesis Motors dropped the ball.

 

[EdP]

Genesis Motors dropped the ball.

Could even be the dealer that did the paperwork. I wonder if a Bentley would be listed as a Volkswagen.

 

[Mcc]

Could even be the dealer that did the paperwork. I wonder if a Bentley would be listed as a Volkswagen.

Most likely the the guy at the dealer hasn’t don’t too many of these. It’s not a big deal to them.

 

[Mark_888]

Most likely the the guy at the dealer hasn’t don’t too many of these. It’s not a big deal to them.

It's based on the VIN. Genesis Motors dropped the ball. The manufacturer has to notify every state to make sure they know there is a new brand.

Just one more example of the half-arse rollout of the Genesis Motors brand.

 

[Mcc]

It's based on the VIN. Genesis Motors dropped the ball. The manufacturer has to notify every state to make sure they know there is a new brand.

Just one more example of the half-arse rollout of the Genesis Motors brand.

Should we start another thread to see who agrees with you that the rollout is half-arsed? Seems like you are begging for one.

 

[Spanky61]

Why not!

 

[Mcc]

My registration says Hyundai/Genesis however when I did a look up online it was exactly correct, showing Genesis/G90. What do you think would cause the registration to not say Genesis?

 

[Mark_888]

Should we start another thread to see who agrees with you that the rollout is half-arsed? Seems like you are begging for one.

The fact that most DMV's did not have Genesis Motors in their systems when the G80 was releases is the proof that I offer. That is the responsibility of the manufacturer/importer. I thought that most states have this cleared up by now, but maybe not.

This subject was discussed at length on this forum when the G80 first came out in 2016, for those who care to research the history of this.

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[Mcc]

So they didn’t have it then, but the do have it now but maybe they don’t because some are still wrong. And you can make these discrepancies fit your theory, which is the only possible explanation. Isn’t it possible (just possible, not saying it’s so) that Genesis sent the info to the states but they are just slow updating their data files? We all know how efficient state government is or the DMV for that matter.

Can we heard from a dealer as to how this data gets entered. Maybe that might get the dealer out of the equation.

 

[Mark_888]

So they didn’t have it then, but the do have it now but maybe they don’t because some are still wrong. And you can make these discrepancies fit your theory, which is the only possible explanation. Isn’t it possible (just possible, not saying it’s so) that Genesis sent the info to the states but they are just slow updating their data files? We all know how efficient state government is or the DMV for that matter.

Can we heard from a dealer as to how this data gets entered. Maybe that might get the dealer out of the equation.

It's been more than 2 years.

This subject was discussed at length on this forum when the G80 first came out in 2016, for those who care to research the history of this.

 

[MikeyTG]

Same with NJ and Allstate insurance. Both show Hyundai. Could be a problem if the cops look at Insurance and registration and see that the car doesn't say Hyundai anywhere.

 

[Aquineas]

It's based on the VIN. Genesis Motors dropped the ball. The manufacturer has to notify every state to make sure they know there is a new brand.

Just one more example of the half-arse rollout of the Genesis Motors brand.

This is not surprising. The TxDOT and Progressive Insurance had no idea what my Hyundai Genesis was in 2015, even though the brand hadn't even spun off yet.

 

[Spanky61]

Nah, mine shows a 2017 Genesis G80 by VIN, Registration and Insurance (USAA). I believe it has more to do with the individual State MVD and the how your specific Insurance Company lists it.

Genesis Motors dropped the ball. The manufacturer has to notify every state to make sure they know there is a new brand.

Just one more example of the half-arse rollout of the Genesis Motors brand.

This is not is correct.

The VIN is directly linked to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)/DOT & Motor Vehicle Title Information System MVTIS laws. The NHTSA/DOT governs and deals directly with all vehicle VIN numbers used by manufactures. I'm found nothing to substantiate such a requirement or opinion; "for the manufacturer to contact every individual States." Why you may ask?

Wouldn't make any sense, as the NHTSA/DOT is responsible for the issuance of all manufacturer VIN's for motor vehicles, bound for or manufactured within the USA, at a national level. The states have no actual responsibility for VIN number issuing. They only issue a state title, which corresponds with the national VIN requirement. For all USA bound automobiles, a VIN is issued by the NHTSA/DOT thru the manufacturer, which is IAW NHTSA/DOT requirements. The VIN serves as the car's fingerprint, as no two vehicles in operation have the same VIN.

A VIN is composed of 17 characters (digits and capital letters) and act as a unique identifier for the vehicle. The VIN reveals a number of things about a car, including its airbag type, country of origin, engine size, model year and trim level. Otherwise, a VIN displays the car's unique features, specifications and manufacturer. The responsibility of the manufacturer is; to adhere to provisions of the law, written and adopted by NHTSA/DOT for standardization.

Without a VIN (17 digit) the automobile would not be permitted or sold for in the USA by any manufacturer. So if there is actually a problem with proper identification only one agency is at fault and it would be the NHTSA/DOT not the manufacturer.

So it's accurate to say; it's about the half-arsed way our government agencies run, not the manufacturers rollout. Reference; NHTSA/DOT, MVTIS

 

[Mark_888]

Nah, mine shows a 2017 Genesis G80 by VIN, Registration and Insurance (USAA). I believe it has more to do with the individual State MVD and the how your specific Insurance Company lists it.



This is not is correct.

The VIN is directly linked to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)/DOT & Motor Vehicle Title Information System MVTIS laws. The NHTSA/DOT governs and deals directly with all vehicle VIN numbers used by manufactures. I'm found nothing to substantiate such a requirement or opinion; "for the manufacturer to contact every individual States." Why you may ask?

Wouldn't make any sense, as the NHTSA/DOT is responsible for the issuance of all manufacturer VIN's for motor vehicles, bound for or manufactured within the USA, at a national level. The states have no actual responsibility for VIN number issuing. They only issue a state title, which corresponds with the national VIN requirement. For all USA bound automobiles, a VIN is issued by the NHTSA/DOT thru the manufacturer, which is IAW NHTSA/DOT requirements. The VIN serves as the car's fingerprint, as no two vehicles in operation have the same VIN.

A VIN is composed of 17 characters (digits and capital letters) and act as a unique identifier for the vehicle. The VIN reveals a number of things about a car, including its airbag type, country of origin, engine size, model year and trim level. Otherwise, a VIN displays the car's unique features, specifications and manufacturer. The responsibility of the manufacturer is; to adhere to provisions of the law, written and adopted by NHTSA/DOT for standardization.

Without a VIN (17 digit) the automobile would not be permitted or sold for in the USA by any manufacturer. So if there is actually a problem with proper identification only one agency is at fault and it would be the NHTSA/DOT not the manufacturer.

So it's accurate to say; it's about the half-arsed the way our government is run, not the manufacturers rollout. Reference; NHTSA/DOT, MVTIS

It's not very often that a new vehicle brand is sold in the USA. If the manufacturer or importer wants to make sure the brand is recognized correctly as a separate brand, it is their responsibility to make sure the applicable government agencies at the state or federal level have the right information about the new brand.

Genesis Motors USA dropped the ball on making sure that communication of the new brand was done correctly to all applicable agencies. This is especially true since Genesis Motors USA is a division of Hyundai Motor America, and initially all Genesis Motors vehicles were sold at Hyundai dealers in the USA, so not surprising many think it is a Hyundai.

I suspect that there is not a single person working for Hyundai Motor America or Genesis Motors USA who has ever gone through the process of creating a new brand, and of notifying all the proper agencies and insurance companies (or companies that supply brand info to those entities).

In a similar fubar situation, there are no online parts dealers who have the catalog of Genesis Motors parts, as is the case for all Hyundai vehicles, even though we are now in the 2nd year of production for Genesis Motors. Although there have been some improvements to the Genesis Motors website, it was a freaking disaster the first year of the G80 and G90 in terms of not having accurate information about the vehicles, etc.

First Genesis Motors said it will be 5 years before they have dedicated dealers, and then they changed their minds (apparently due to poor Hyundai service experience), and now say they are moving faster toward an independent dealer network separate from Hyundai. But there is still little to show for it and general confusion reigns as to what will happen.

 

[Spanky61]

New models are brought out almost every year with individual VIN's for identification. Brands are no different but the VIN's are provided by the NHTSA/DOT. Pretty simple, actually. No ,I don't believe they dropped the ball in anyway and you have no actual proof Hyundai or Genesis actually did. End of conversation.(EOC)

Genesis Motors USA dropped the ball on making sure that communication of the new brand was done correctly to all applicable agencies. This is especially true since Genesis Motors USA is a division of Hyundai Motor America, and initially all Genesis Motors vehicles were sold at Hyundai dealers in the USA, so not surprising many think it is a Hyundai.

I suspect (speculation) that there is not a single person working for Hyundai Motor America or Genesis Motors USA who has ever gone through the process of creating a new brand, and of notifying all the proper agencies and insurance companies (or companies that supply brand info to those entities).

Actually, this isn't even a hypothesis to be sure. This is all speculation on your part without the simplest shred of evidence or proof.

Not talking about parts dealers. EOC Please stay on topic.

The references are provided and easy to read at the end of my comments. Suggest you read the references, it will tell you all about who is responsible for issuing VIN's.

Looking forward to Genesis/Hyundai opening independent dealerships whenever they decide to do so at their discretion.

 

[Mark_888]

No new models are brought out almost every year. Brands are no different but the VIN's are provided by the NHTSA/DOT. Pretty simple No I don't believe they dropped the ball in anyway and you have no actual proof Hyndai or Genesis actuall did. End of conversation.(EOC):


Actually, this isn't even a hypothesis to be sure.This is all speculation on your part without the simplest shred of evidence.

Not talking about parts dealers. EOC Please stay on topic.

The references are provided and easy to read at the end of my comments. Suggest you read the references, it will tell you all about who is responsible for issuing VIN's.

I didn't say anything about who is responsible for issuing VIN's, I said that Genesis Motors should have made sure that everyone who needed to know, knew that Genesis was a separate brand from Hyundai.

The lack of information about parts is just one more piece of evidence that the rollout of Genesis Motors brand in USA was half-arsed. The proof is in the pudding, not speculation. Not all government agencies, or even insurance companies, know that Genesis is a separate brand, and so Genesis Motors USA should have made sure and followed up to clear up any confusion. This was first reported more than 2 years ago on this forum, and the fact that it is still not corrected reflects poorly on Genesis Motors USA.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

You two just agree to disagree. In fact, everyone just agree to disagree. Here's a fact:

Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are all sub brands of Japanese companies - and none of them experienced this problem when they launched. There's a PROBLEM somewhere - and I suspect it's more of a HYUNDAI issue than a GOVERNMENT issue as no other luxury up-brand has had this trouble - especially two years after launch.

Regardless, it's not a big deal whether we agree or disagree WHERE the problem lies. The problem is that it is a problem in the first place. Figure out a way to work together to help resolve the problem instead of slapping yourselves around for the next two weeks.

https://youtu.be/YBfhEpi77yQ?t=5s

 

[Spanky61]

I agree!! No argument. Just the facts Ma'am, just the facts. No offense either.