Illinois says my Genesis is a Hyundai

[Mcc]

I agree also. Facts are so much better than “I suspect” coupled with profound pronouncements that are meant to mascarade as universal truths.
This would be a good time to close this thread also.

 

[EdP]

Regardless, it's not a big deal whether we agree or disagree WHERE the problem lies. The problem is that it is a problem in the first place. Figure out a way to work together to help resolve the problem instead of slapping yourselves around for the next two weeks.

Without facts, it us pure speculation. Has anyone else from Illinois brought this up? I see a few possibilities.
Hyundai/Genesis did not properly notify the state
The state ignored the new information
The state did in fact properly register and add the Genesis name but a clerk processing the paperwork ignored it because it was always Hyundai
The dealer send the paperwork incorrectly

Unless someone has the ability to follow the paperwork trail we may never know for sure. I do know that here in CT it is Genesis

 

[Spanky61]

The same as in NM EdP.

 

[Mark_888]

Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are all sub brands of Japanese companies - and none of them experienced this problem when they launched. There's a PROBLEM somewhere - and I suspect it's more of a HYUNDAI issue than a GOVERNMENT issue as no other luxury up-brand has had this trouble - especially two years after launch.

Agreed. No matter where the fault lies, Genesis Motors should contact every single state and every insurance company to get the issue straightened out.

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Without facts, it us pure speculation. Has anyone else from Illinois brought this up? I see a few possibilities.
Hyundai/Genesis did not properly notify the state
The state ignored the new information
The state did in fact properly register and add the Genesis name but a clerk processing the paperwork ignored it because it was always Hyundai
The dealer send the paperwork incorrectly

Unless someone has the ability to follow the paperwork trail we may never know for sure. I do know that here in CT it is Genesis

Doesn't matter who is initially at fault. Genesis Motors should have long ago taken actions to straighten the problem out.

 

[Mcc]

Agreed. No matter where the fault lies, Genesis Motors should contact every single state and every insurance company to get the issue straightened out.

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Doesn't matter who is initially at fault. Genesis Motors should have long ago taken actions to straighten the problem out.

Maybe they did. Maybe the fix didn’t happen immediately through no fault of Genesis. Let’s just try to be a little objective about it. I am not saying that Genesis is not a fault but leaping to conclusions only reveals personal biases. My VIN now shows Genesis, maybe others do or don’t. We all agree it’s a problem.

 

[Mark_888]

Maybe they did. Maybe the fix didn’t happen immediately through no fault of Genesis. Let’s just try to be a little objective about it. I am not saying that Genesis is not a fault but leaping to conclusions only reveals personal biases. My VIN now shows Genesis, maybe others do or don’t. We all agree it’s a problem.

This problem was first reported by members of this forum almost 2 1/2 years ago.

As the owner of this forum (and the owner of a 2G Genesis) objectively stated above:

"Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are all sub brands of Japanese companies - and none of them experienced this problem when they launched. There's a PROBLEM somewhere - and I suspect it's more of a HYUNDAI issue than a GOVERNMENT issue as no other luxury up-brand has had this trouble - especially two years after launch."​

Hopefully, you are not implying that owner of this forum is not objective.

 

[Mcc]

This problem was first reported by members of this forum almost 2 1/2 years ago.

As the owner of this forum (and the owner of a 2G Genesis) objectively stated above:

"Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are all sub brands of Japanese companies - and none of them experienced this problem when they launched. There's a PROBLEM somewhere - and I suspect it's more of a HYUNDAI issue than a GOVERNMENT issue as no other luxury up-brand has had this trouble - especially two years after launch."​

Hopefully, you are not implying that owner of this forum is not objective.

My VIN on the internet correctly shows Genesis. The DMV says Hyundai. I suggest others whose registration is wrong report on the result of their search on the internet. Those results would be what we call facts.

There are lots of variables here. Infer whatever you like.

 

[Mark_888]

My VIN on the internet correctly shows Genesis. The DMV says Hyundai. I suggest others whose registration is wrong report on the result of their search on the internet. Those results would be what we call facts.

There are lots of variables here. Infer whatever you like.

Genesis Motors should have contacted all DMV's and all insurance companies to straighten out the mess. It has been 2 1/2 years since the problem was first reported on this forum.

"VIN on the internet" does not mean there is one source for that information. Also, many states have rules that require approval to sell a new brand in that state.

Here is article from July 31, 2017 that explains the fact that Genesis Motors failed to get prior approval in Louisiana to sell Genesis branded cars, and they had to stop selling them for awhile. This was discussed in previous threads on this forum.

"Genesis has suspended vehicle sales, service and marketing in Louisiana indefinitely, citing word from the state's Motor Vehicle Commission that Hyundai Motor America was not properly licensed to sell the luxury brand's vehicles in the state.

The move sets up a battle between Genesis and its Louisiana dealers over whether this amounts to a breach of contract by the automaker. It also could have nationwide implications if other states' licensing requirements trip up Genesis, which Hyundai created in 2015 as a separate luxury company and brand, without setting up a separate U.S. sales channel."
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170731/RETAIL07/170739948/genesis-dealers-tripped-up-louisiana

Make sure your read the entire article.​

 

[Mcc]

I had seen the article previously but I did reread it. I am just sure how how it bears on the issue of wrong model on the registration or are we getting off topic here. Please lets not go down that road.

As you said and I agree, there is not just one source of information, but obviously Genesis got the correct VIN info out there or else it would be wrong everywhere. Each state can be different in what it takes to have a separate brand and there are a lot of variables (including politics, of course) that can control when that happens. In the meantime cars a being sold and something must go on the registration. could it have gone smoother? Maybe. But unlike Lexus/Toyota, this seems to have become an issue of local US dealers vs foreign Hyundai/Genesis. Notice I have used phrases like "can" and "seems to". I am just observing that there are a lot of variables "could" explain the registration discrepancies.

 

[EdP]

Genesis Motors should have contacted all DMV's and all insurance companies to straighten out the mess. It has been 2 1/2 years since the problem was first reported on this forum.

Here is article from July 31, 2017 that explains the fact that Genesis Motors failed to get prior approval in Louisiana to sell Genesis branded cars, and they had to stop selling them for awhile. This was discussed in previous threads on this forum.

"Genesis has suspended vehicle sales, service and marketing in Louisiana indefinitely, citing word from the state's Motor Vehicle Commission that Hyundai Motor America was not properly licensed to sell the luxury brand's vehicles in the state.

The move sets up a battle between Genesis and its Louisiana dealers over whether this amounts to a breach of contract by the automaker. It also could have nationwide implications if other states' licensing requirements trip up Genesis, which Hyundai created in 2015 as a separate luxury company and brand, without setting up a separate U.S. sales channel."
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170731/RETAIL07/170739948/genesis-dealers-tripped-up-louisiana

Make sure your read the entire article.​

Interesting, but not what is discussed at present. Selling cars and registering the brand with issuing title as Genesis are different. As an example, you cannot buy a Tesla in CT. (and five other states) You can buy one in New York and have it registered as a Tesla in CT though. CT law does not allow Tesla to be sold without the typical dealership normally used. That is the argument in Louisiana. If I bought a Genesis in CT, moved to LA, does it become a Hyundai?

I do though, appreciate that this is a fact, (not opinion and supposition) but does not relate to why Illinois did not recognize a Genesis as a Genesis.

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[Mark_888]

I had seen the article previously but I did reread it. I am just sure how how it bears on the issue of wrong model on the registration or are we getting off topic here. Please lets not go down that road.

As you said and I agree, there is not just one source of information, but obviously Genesis got the correct VIN info out there or else it would be wrong everywhere. Each state can be different in what it takes to have a separate brand and there are a lot of variables (including politics, of course) that can control when that happens. In the meantime cars a being sold and something must go on the registration. could it have gone smoother? Maybe. But unlike Lexus/Toyota, this seems to have become an issue of local US dealers vs foreign Hyundai/Genesis. Notice I have used phrases like "can" and "seems to". I am just observing that there are a lot of variables "could" explain the registration discrepancies.

Maybe you didn't read this part of the article when Genesis management was discussing the lack of getting proper state licenses:

"This was the result of Hyundai Motor America moving quickly to set up the brand, according to Genesis' global head, Manfred Fitzgerald. "Everything happened at a fast pace," Fitzgerald told Automotive News. "I think it was an oversight."​

If Genesis brand is not licensed to be sold in a particular state, then it could be the case that the a Genesis cannot be titled as Genesis in that state, and was titled as a Hyundai so that HMA could go ahead and sell them. As mentioned earlier, Genesis Motors USA is a division of Hyundai Motor America.

Although some (or maybe even all) VIN lookup sites may now list the Genesis correctly as a separate brand (as not a Hyundai), that was not the case for VIN lookup sites when they first went on sale. This was discussed at length in this forum more than 2 years ago.

 

[EdP]

Maybe you didn't read this part of the article when Genesis management was discussing the lack of getting proper state licenses:

"This was the result of Hyundai Motor America moving quickly to set up the brand, according to Genesis' global head, Manfred Fitzgerald. "Everything happened at a fast pace," Fitzgerald told Automotive News. "I think it was an oversight."​

If Genesis brand is not licensed to be sold in a particular state, then it could be the case that the a Genesis cannot be titled as Genesis in that state, and was titled as a Hyundai so that HMA could go ahead and sell them. As mentioned earlier, Genesis Motors USA is a division of Hyundai Motor America.

I did read that. Now you are talking supposition, not fact. I gave Tesla as an example. You cannot buy one in CT for the same reason as Louisiana, yet you can buy one in another state and have it properly registered. Could be the same with Genesis in LA. We don't know for sure. License to sell is apples, registration is oranges.

 

[Mark_888]

I did read that. Now you are talking supposition, not fact. I gave Tesla as an example. You cannot buy one in CT for the same reason as Louisiana, yet you can buy one in another state and have it properly registered. Could be the same with Genesis in LA. We don't know for sure. License to sell is apples, registration is oranges.

The reason why you can't buy a Tesla in Louisiana is that many states have laws that manufacturers cannot sell direct to the public, and they must sell via third party dealers. Some states have relaxed the rules for Tesla using various exclusions that now allows Tesla to sell direct to the public.

What you are proposing is the reverse of Tesla. It is OK to sell Genesis in some states, but it cannot be registered as a Genesis. This sounds like a convoluted explanation in order to explain away what was an obvious oversight on the part of Genesis Motors USA.

When I quoted the Global Head of Genesis Brand (Manfred Fitzgerald) who said ""Everything happened at a fast pace, I think it was an oversight," there was no supposition on my part. There was an oversight on the part of Genesis Motors USA, and that oversight remains to be corrected in all states.

But regardless of how it has come to be that some states title a Genesis Motors vehicle as a Hyundai, it is obvious that Genesis Motors USA has had 2 1/2 years to get the problem rectified, but have not done so in all states according to some who have posted in this thread.

 

[YEH]

You two just agree to disagree. In fact, everyone just agree to disagree. Here's a fact:

Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are all sub brands of Japanese companies - and none of them experienced this problem when they launched. There's a PROBLEM somewhere - and I suspect it's more of a HYUNDAI issue than a GOVERNMENT issue as no other luxury up-brand has had this trouble - especially two years after launch]

Wouldn't be too sure of that.

From the Temple of VTEC site.

Car: Acura RL SH-AWD, 2006, V-6, 290 hp
Environment: USA, BC
Vehicle 413569 (registered as Honda Legend-no Acura choice)

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=915198

And this is for a 2006MY, a decade after Acura launched in the US.

In addition, many Scions were registered as Toyotas (not sure if that was ever corrected/changed or differed from state to state).

 

[Mark_888]

In addition, many Scions were registered as Toyotas (not sure if that was ever corrected/changed or differed from state to state).

Scion has been folded back into Toyota.

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Wouldn't be too sure of that.

From the Temple of VTEC site.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=915198

And this is for a 2006MY, a decade after Acura launched in the US.

Are you saying that owners of 2006 Acura RL had them registered as a Honda on their state title and/or vehicle registration? Who cares about VTEC?

 

[YEH]

Scion has been folded back into Toyota.

Geeze - don't you think I know that? [Note I stated were, and not (currently) are.]

This is for when Scion was still existent as a brand (and hence, relevant to the discussion at hand).

Are you saying that owners of 2006 Acura RL had them registered as a Honda on their state title and/or vehicle registration? Who cares about VTEC?

I'm NOT saying that.

An owner of a 2006 Acura RL is saying that - that there was NO Acura choice in his location (can't get any more simpler/direct than what I directly quoted from the owner).

And as for VTEC, it's the largest and most respected Honda/Acura site - so it brings credibility.

Even your attempts at trying to undermine are weak.

 

[lt2211]

Same with NJ and Allstate insurance. Both show Hyundai. Could be a problem if the cops look at Insurance and registration and see that the car doesn't say Hyundai anywhere.

My Allstate Insurance card does say Year/2018 Make/Genesis Model/G80

 

[lt2211]

"it's about the half-arsed way our government agencies run"

You hit the nail on the head there, Illinois is broke and sloppy. They likely didn't have money for the software changes needed. A year or so back they announced they had no money to send out license plate and drivers license renewal notices. When folks missed the date and renewed late, the state slapped them with a late fee.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Any idea how the issue can be rectified from their past experience? That's all that matters here. We're not looking to measure intelligence or who's higher or lower on the "I'm right and you're wrong" totem poll. We just want the problem solved.

Wouldn't be too sure of that.

From the Temple of VTEC site.



http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=915198

And this is for a 2006MY, a decade after Acura launched in the US.

In addition, many Scions were registered as Toyotas (not sure if that was ever corrected/changed or differed from state to state).

 

[Mark_888]

I'm NOT saying that.

An owner of a 2006 Acura RL is saying that - that there was NO Acura choice in his location (can't get any more simpler/direct than what I directly quoted from the owner).

I don't know what you mean by "choice" or "location"?

Does any owner of a 2006 Acura RL in the USA have it registered with the state DMV as a Honda? Yes nor No please.

Acura may not even be a separate brand from Honda in all countries. For example, the Genesis Sedan was a separate brand in Korea starting in 2008, but sold as a Hyundai brand in the USA from 2009-2016.

The Global head of Genesis Brand (not just Genesis USA, but Global head) said there was an oversight in getting the Genesis brand set up in the USA. It was a complete confession. What more evidence do you want?:

This was the result of Hyundai Motor America moving quickly to set up the brand, according to Genesis' global head, Manfred Fitzgerald. "Everything happened at a fast pace," Fitzgerald told Automotive News. "I think it was an oversight."​