Illinois says my Genesis is a Hyundai

[PMCErnie]

Kumbaya, boys.

 

[Spanky61]

Again, I'll say this is an issue with the individual state. Several have already stated their VIN, title and state registration reflects the vehicle is a Genesis. Still others who actually own a Genesis say, in their individual state it's registered as a Hyundai Genesis. I believe it's a states issue as to how it's being titled and registered, rather because of; states bureaucracy, politics or decisions of those responsible.

We all know it's a Genesis that's what counts anyway. It's not going to matter to anyone, except the owner for whatever reason. However, coming to a conclusion "it's a half-arsed" rollout by the Manufacturer is a personal opinion which I do not share and is purely speculation and simply irresponsible. To many unknowns to come to such a speculative conclusion.

Is there an answer? I'm certain there is but this is something each owner needs to deal with separately thru their individual states DMV or MVD. I believe there you will find an answer. Call your financial institution and ask them what is specified on the title. If it's titled as a Hyundai then it's the issuing state and a new title can be requested with the appropriate information. If it isn't titled as a Hyundai, then simply request a correction to the registration thru the DMV or MVD.

I really don't see this as a big problem but it will take some effort on the owners part to correct, should there be an actual correction needed.

Shalom Adonai

 

[Mcc]

Spanky61, thanks for addressing a solution. I am sure there are many. I think the OP posted this out of curiosity and the rest of the group jumped on the issue for a variety of reasons. If we stick with solutions I am sure it will be to everyone's benefit.

I would prefer to leave יְיָ out of this but peace is always welcome.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Acura may not even be a separate brand from Honda in all countries.

 

[Aquineas]

I remember being in Lisbon in the early 90s and seeing Honda Legends . Incidentally Europe gets a ton of cars that we don't, some of them pretty cool. Ditto Australia.

 

[Spanky61]

Spanky61, thanks for addressing a solution. I am sure there are many. I think the OP posted this out of curiosity and the rest of the group jumped on the issue for a variety of reasons. If we stick with solutions I am sure it will be to everyone's benefit.

I would prefer to leave יְיָ out of this but peace is always welcome.

Agreed it's the best alternative IMHO. It's a bit like a different thread concerning the color listed on the registration. When the state says its; white or blue and we say it's actually Casablanca White or Polar Ice, it's actually white or blue. Nothing more or less. We know what the dealers brochure says and what we purchased but it doesn't amount to much in reality. Law Enforcement Officer isn't going to know the difference either.
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Absolutely, oversea in the UK the Acura NSX is a Honda and most of Europe also. Saw it on the Grand Tour with Jeremy Clarkson on Amazon Prime, so I can attest and agree as well.

 

[mrich1353]

The Pennsylvania registration renewal just arrived for my 2017 G80...Vehicle Make - Hyundai...

 

[scarab]

2018 G80 registration in Indiana.
GNS for Genesis and Model was listed as G80.

 

[YEH]

I don't know what you mean by "choice" or "location"?

Does any owner of a 2006 Acura RL in the USA have it registered with the state DMV as a Honda? Yes nor No please.

Really don't know why you are having such a problem comprehending this.

Once again, directly lifted from an Acura TL owner's post on VTEC.

Car: Acura RL SH-AWD, 2006, V-6, 290 hp
Environment: USA, BC
Vehicle 413569 (registered as Honda Legend-no Acura choice)

So what do you think the answer is? (Obviously, a yes.)

As he had posted, there was no choice/option which allowed registration of his RL as an Acura within his location/state when he registered his vehicle.

Likely varied from state to state.

Acura may not even be a separate brand from Honda in all countries. For example, the Genesis Sedan was a separate brand in Korea starting in 2008, but sold as a Hyundai brand in the USA from 2009-2016.

So?

What does that have to do with the issue at hand?

In the US, Acura is a separate brand.

The fact that models that are sold as Acuras in NA are sold as Hondas in Japan, Europe, Australia, etc. has absolutely no bearing on the fact that an owner of an RL in the US had his registration show up as a Honda Legend (didn't even get the nameplate correct, much less the brand).

Same goes for Infiniti models which are still sold as Nissans in Japan and many other markets (but sold as Infinitis in Europe).

And while Toyota finally brought the Lexus marque to Japan in 2006, 7 yrs after it was launched in the US (which is basically no different than what Hyundai is doing w/ Genesis here), they kept selling the 2G RX in Japan as the Toyota Harrier until 2013.

Should that have any impact as to whether the RX is registered as a Lexus or Toyota here? No.

And not quite correct about the 1G Genesis being sold as a separate brand in Korea.

Still sold as a Hyundai, but like for automakers in Korea and Japan (which I have pointed out here many times), luxury models like the Genesis and Equus (or the Toyota Century or Crown Series) are basically their own specific sub-brands w/ their own distinctive badging, etc. (thus the Genesis being distinct from the Equus as well).

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Again, I'll say this is an issue with the individual state. Several have already stated their VIN, title and state registration reflects the vehicle is a Genesis. Still others who actually own a Genesis say, in their individual state it's registered as a Hyundai Genesis. I believe it's a states issue as to how it's being titled and registered, rather because of; states bureaucracy, politics or decisions of those responsible.

In all likelihood it is this as Hyundai, upon the launch of the Genesis brand in the US, should have a distinct VIN sub-code for all vehicles headed to the US as Genesis models.

Another possibility would be when the vehicle at hand was manufactured, in particular, for the Genesis/G80.

Doesn't seem like any G90 owners have been affected by this issue (but who knows?).

 

[Mark_888]

As he had posted, there was no choice/option which allowed registration of his RL as an Acura within his location/state when he registered his vehicle.

I don't believe he said that. Owners don't register their own vehicles with the state DMV, and no guarantee that person was in the USA.

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[EdP]

I don't believe he said that. Owners don't register their own vehicles with the state DMV, and no guarantee that person was in the USA.

Usually new car dealers do the paperwork. Is that what you ar referring to? Having registered a dozen vehicles in three different states I would question that as a blanket statement. New car dealers generally take care of it but there are exceptions.

 

[Mark_888]

Usually new car dealers do the paperwork. Is that what you ar referring to? Having registered a dozen vehicles in three different states I would question that as a blanket statement. New car dealers generally take care of it but there are exceptions.

Yes, of course. New car dealers register the car with the state DMV. But if the state DMV doesn't have an option for Genesis Motors brand, and lists the G80 as a Hyundai, the dealer has no immediate choice.

But once a dealer sees the problem, they should contact Genesis Motors (or the parent company HMA) and let them know so they can contact the state DMV and get it straightened out for all dealers in that state.

 

[Spanky61]

Yes, of course. New car dealers register the car with the state DMV.

Not necessarily. A new car owner can opt to do the registration themselves. it's been done countless times by new owners picking up a vehicle in another state, using temporary tags and driving it to another for registration in a home state.

However, this issue is still a states DMV or MVD issue. If the title reads Genesis and the state registers it as a Hyundai, it's between the state and the owner. The same if the title read Hyundai it's still a states responsibility as they title and register the vehicle. I can tell you for certain, my VIN reflects Genesis as the original manufacture and so does the title and registration. It 's strictly dependent upon the VIN, title declaration and then the registration.

So in reality, it's not Genesis or their dealers issue. It remains in the hands of the state DMV or MVD to ensure the VIN, title and registration match and the individual owner is aware.

YEH, you're not going to get anywhere with this. Mark_888 has it set in his mind, it's Genesis issue for him so be it, it doesn't make him correct in his assumption. Also YEH, keep in mind Mark_888 doesn't own a Genesis either, he's not speaking from an owner perspective. So in essence, you're just stoking the fire of discontent. In the long run, it's more akin to "bashing your head against the wall, until it's starts to feel better." Just doesn't work until you knock yourself out.

So the quibbling back and forth about speculative opinions, isn't the answer. Neither is throwing blanket statements over an entire so called issue as a, half-arsed roll out by Genesis. I believe Mar_888's diatribe is misplaced. IMHO

 

[Mark_888]

So in reality, it's not Genesis or their dealers issue. It remains in the hands of the state DMV or MVD to ensure the VIN, title and registration match and the individual owner is aware.

Also YEH, keep in mind Mark_888 doesn't own a Genesis either, he's not speaking from an owner perspective.

I am not aware of anyone who said their registration and title listed different makes. Maybe that is the case and I missed it, but my impression is that the title and registration in certain states list a Genesis Motors vehicle as a Hyundai brand.

If the state DMV and title people don't have the right information, Genesis Motors should proactively straighten them out. As the Global Head of Genesis brand said, they rushed to get Genesis Motors going in the USA and some of the problems in working with the states were just an oversight on their part.

But regardless of how or why some owners are seeing the Genesis Motors vehicle listed as a Hyundai, Genesis Motors USA should work with the states to get the problem corrected. Why they have not done that after 2 1/2 years is the question.

Also YEH, keep in mind Mark_888 doesn't own a Genesis either, he's not speaking from an owner perspective.

What is an owner's perspective? If someone in different state from you has their Genesis Motors vehicle titled or registered as a Hyundai, how does that make your perspective any more accurate than mine? I know what I have read from members of this forum, and I know what the head of Genesis Motors said about the fact that they overlooked some things in the rush to get the brand started.

YEH has never owned a Hyundai Genesis or a Genesis Motors G80 or G90. What does that do to his perspective?

 

[Spanky61]

Why should they work with individual states? How do you know they didn't provide the correct VIN description for the Manufacturer? Mines correct and identifies the Genesis as the manufacturer. They're an international company, who deals with USA importing cars into the USA and many other countries. They deal direct with the US government, specifically the NHTSA/DOT for importation and applicable VIN numbers.

They don't import to individual states or dealers direct without first going thru the US government, Customs etc.. The states don't assign VIN numbers to Genesis automobiles, the US government does. They leave the factory with a 17 digit VIN. They have to clear and adhere to US Customs, custom regulations, EPA and NHTSA/DOT applicable laws.

 

[Mark_888]

Why should they work with individual states? They're an international company, who deals with USA importing cars into the USA and many other countries. They deal direct with the US government, specifically the NHTSA/DOT for importation and applicable VIN numbers.

They don't import to individual states and dealers. They have to clear US Customs, custom regulations and NHTSA/DOT applicable laws.

First of all, the cars are imported by Genesis Motors USA, a division of Hyundai Motor America. Neither of those are international companies.

Second, cars are titled by states, not the US government. The license registration is also done by state, not by the US government.

As was discussed in the article about Louisiana, some states require that a license be obtained to sell a new brand of car in that state. The Global Head of Genesis mentioned that in the rush to rollout the Genesis brand in the US, they overlooked some of the procedures required in terms of state approvals and licensing.

US Customs only deals with import licensing, tariffs, etc, and to make sure that cars meet EPA and other standards. Some states (especially California) have additional safety and pollution requirements.

Finally, the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) is set up for safety reasons, to make sure that any defect in a vehicle that is a safety issue is dealt with properly by the manufacturer in a timely and expeditious manner (i.e., recalls). The NHTSA doesn't have any final authority as to whether a state title or state registration lists the vehicle as a Hyundai or a Genesis.

IMO, Genesis Motors USA should work with the states that are titling and/or registering a G80 or G90 as a Hyundai, to get the problem resolved. It doesn't matter to me whose fault it is, Genesis Motors needs to get the ball moving at the state level to get it straightened out. What's the use of creating a new luxury brand separate from Hyundai if Genesis Motors USA is content to let everyone call it a Hyundai?

 

[Mcc]

I know what the head of Genesis Motors said about the fact that they overlooked some things in the rush to get the brand started.

So since even our forum manager has chimed in here I guess it must be OK to keep this thread going. First lets make sure that everyone understand that the quote that Mark_888 keeps repeating is from an article entitled "Genesis grounded in Louisiana". The article is referring to Louisiana (red font is mine)..

The quote actually says
On July 20, Raphael sent a letter to Genesis stores in Louisiana notifying dealers that the automaker was immediately halting the shipment of Genesis vehicles to the state. The letter cited the company's lack of a license to sell Genesis vehicles in the state as the reason.

This was the result of Hyundai Motor America moving quickly to set up the brand, according to Genesis' global head, Manfred Fitzgerald.

"Everything happened at a fast pace," Fitzgerald told Automotive News. "I think it was an oversight."

This does not prove the claim that Genesis did anything wrong, or didn't do what needed to me done (notify all applicable agencies according to Mark_888) when it comes to the registration information. He doesn't say the we made an oversight when dealing with vehicle registrations in the US. So lets not put words in his mouth. Posters are not saying that this is possible, they are saying that it is a fact that Genesis messed up the registrations in the 50 states. Just cant make a blanket statement like that IMO,

 

[Spanky61]

Case in point; I've already stated this on numerous occasions, "the state is responsible for titling and registration." You are mirroring these statements.

You also need to know exactly what the NHTSA/DOT actually does. If you would go and actually research their government responsibilities you would understand. I don't believe you've done this at all.

Let me help you;

NHTSA currently contracts with the SAE International (SAE) to coordinate and issue manufacturer identifiers that comply with Part 565 to U.S. manufacturers. In issuing these identifiers, SAE also ensures the identifiers comply with the requirements of International Standard 3780 for WMIs. reference; https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...97/vehicle-identification-number-requirements. Read it in it's entirety, please.

The above directly quotes just several of the NHTSA government responsibilities.

Your surmise is incorrect with regards to; Genesis having a requirement to work with individual states. They simply don't and your opinion is based upon speculation just as you stated above. There is no US Law requiring it. Your statement regarding a Genesis, half-arsed rollout is incorrect also. I will say you are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make it correct.

I'm finished, this very minor issue isn't difficult to understand.

 

[Mark_888]

You also need to know exactly what the NHTSA/DOT actually does. If you would go and actually research their government responsibilities you would understand. I don't believe you've done this at all.

Let me help you;

NHTSA currently contracts with the SAE International (SAE) to coordinate and issue manufacturer identifiers that comply with Part 565 to U.S. manufacturers. In issuing these identifiers, SAE also ensures the identifiers comply with the requirements of International Standard 3780 for WMIs. reference; https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...97/vehicle-identification-number-requirements. Read it in it's entirety, please.

I know what the NHTSA does, as I have corresponded with specific individuals on multiple occasions regard the problem with the early Genesis brakes and HECU unit.

The NHTSA categorization of brands is not binding on states who issue titles or registrations, as is obvious from anyone who reads this thread.

Your surmise is incorrect with regards to Genesis having a requirement to work with individual states. They simply don't and your opinion is based upon speculation just as you stated above. There is no US Law requiring it. Your statement regarding a Genesis, half-arsed rollout is incorrect also. I will say you are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make it correct.

It is absolutely astounding that you claim that Genesis Motors (or HMA) is not required to deal directly with various states individually, since they had to suspend selling of Genesis Motors vehicles until they complied with Louisiana regulations regarding getting a STATE permit or license to sell a new brand (as explained in a post above with a link to the news story about it).

This is not opinion or speculation as you claim, it is fact.

 

[YEH]

I don't believe he said that. Owners don't register their own vehicles with the state DMV, and no guarantee that person was in the USA.

I think I'll take the owner's word when he listed USA as his "environment."

With the BC indicating big city.

Otoh, you have nothing to counter this but repeated weak attempts at conjecture.

And let's say that the people over at Hyundai USA did shoddy work and didn't notify every state when it came to the change-over to the Genesis brand.

You really think that they would have done so for Illinois? (Which is a Top 10 market for Genesis.)

Or Pennsylvania for that matter?

Making a lot more sense would be overlooking states like Idaho or Arkansas which are low volume sales states for Genesis.

As usual, you have backed yourself in a corner and are unwilling to be open to the other possibilities brought forth by other posters (even when faced with evidence that don't support your claim).

Which is just like your having claimed that Hyundai mostly sells small cars in the major metro areas (which I disputed).

Even when I linked a chart showing the top registrations for cities like NYC (provided by Edmunds) which had the Sonata as one of the most registered vehicles and the tops for Hyundai, you were to stubborn to admit that you were wrong.