Illinois says my Genesis is a Hyundai

[Mark_888]

I think I'll take the owner's word when he listed USA as his "environment."

With the BC indicating big city.

Otoh, you have nothing to counter this but repeated weak attempts at conjecture. You have provided no evidence that the person had his car registered or titled in a USA state as a Honda Legend. None.

And let's say that the people over at Hyundai USA did shoddy work and didn't notify every state when it came to the change-over to the Genesis brand.

You really think that they would have done so for Illinois? (Which is a Top 10 market for Genesis.)

Or Pennsylvania for that matter?

Making a lot more sense would be overlooking states like Idaho or Arkansas which are low volume sales states for Genesis.

Your comments are pure conjecture. What I am saying is that no matter how it happened originally in mid 2016 (when the first Genesis Motors vehicles were being imported into the USA), 2 1/2 years later they should follow up with each state that is not registering or titling the cars correctly and get it fixed. But according to reports of 2018 models in this thread, many states still have it wrong.

As usual, you have backed yourself in a corner and are unwilling to be open to the other possibilities brought forth by other posters (even when faced with evidence that don't support your claim).

I am not fixated on what possibly caused the problem. The Global Head of Genesis said that in Louisiana the problem was an oversight by HMA/Genesis, but I guess that is just his opinion.

But the main thing at this point is not what happened 2 1/2 years ago, but what is Genesis Motors doing right now to fix the problem? According to several who have purchased 2018 models in this thread, Genesis Motors has not figured out how to fix the problem yet.

Which is just like your having claimed that Hyundai mostly sells small cars in the major metro areas (which I disputed).

Even when I linked a chart showing the top registrations for cities like NYC (provided by Edmunds) which had the Sonata as one of the most registered vehicles and the tops for Hyundai, you were to stubborn to admit that you were wrong.

The Sonata is not a large car. I have acknowledged that the Sonata is one the most popular Hyundai's, and one of the keys to their success. So I don't know what you are talking about me saying that the Sonata is not a popular car.

However, the Sonata is not the best selling Hyundai (or even best selling Hyundai sedan). Here are the Jan-Nov 2017 YTD sales by model for Hyundai, which shows the Elantra the number one selling Hyundai sedan in the USA.

2017 YTD Sales through November

Accent 53,750
Azera 2,919
Elantra 176,860
Santa Fe 120,025
Sonata 123,295
Tucson 103,102
Veloster 11,903

So among Hyundai sedans (excluding the SUV's), the Accent and Elantra combined (both small cars) represent 65% of Hyundai sedans sold in the first 11 months of 2017 in the USA. The Sonata and Azera represent about 35% of sedans sold by Hyundai in the USA during that time.

 

[EdP]

Your comments are pure conjecture. What I am saying is that no matter how it happened originally in mid 2016 (when the first Genesis Motors vehicles were being imported into the USA), 2 1/2 years later they should follow up with each state that is not registering or titling the cars correctly and get it fixed. But according to reports of 2018 models in this thread, many states still have it wrong.


But the main thing at this point is not what happened 2 1/2 years ago, but what is Genesis Motors doing right now to fix the problem? According to several who have purchased 2018 models in this thread, Genesis Motors has not figured out how to fix the problem yet.

The Louisiana problem was a sales problem, not a registration problem. I don't know how their state offices are structured, but could be different departments. Corporate licensing versus the DMV.

As for the registration, do we know it is a Hyundai/Genesis problem or a DMV problem? For years it was a Hyundai model, not a brand so we have no idea how Illinois is going to handle it. We can guess, but unless we know the procedure, what paperwork is needed, what paperwork was submitted, it is just a guess. The only fact submitted is that it happened, but nothing else. The other fact is, Louisiana is not Illinois. Has anyone seen the paperwork the dealer submitted? That would be a start.

 

[YEH]

YEH has never owned a Hyundai Genesis or a Genesis Motors G80 or G90. What does that do to his perspective?

Again, whether I have ever owned a Genesis or a G80/G90 has absolutely zero bearing (even tho you have repeatedly stated that my not having owned one somehow undermines my credibility).

Which is weird since you also have repeatedly (falsely) accused me for working for Hyundai/Genesis (kinda weird than for me not to have owned a Genesis, much less any Hyundai).

If anything, it makes me more objective (which is why I have not scrimped on my criticisms of the Genesis, Equus, G80 or G90).

Otoh, you have nothing to counter this but repeated weak attempts at conjecture. You have provided no evidence that the person had his car registered or titled in a USA state as a Honda Legend. None.

What the heck do you mean?

I just copied and pasted what an Acura RL owner posted in the VTEC forum - which I not only stated a # of times, but also gave the link.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=915198


So Chas2 (the poster and owner of the RL) meant to mislead people when he posted...

registered as Honda Legend-no Acura choice

What motivation would he have to do that (back in 2010) and of all places on a Honda/Acura forum?

But then again, it's just like to you to summarily dismiss anything that doesn't comport to your belief.

Your comments are pure conjecture. What I am saying is that no matter how it happened originally in mid 2016 (when the first Genesis Motors vehicles were being imported into the USA), 2 1/2 years later they should follow up with each state that is not registering or titling the cars correctly and get it fixed. But according to reports of 2018 models in this thread, many states still have it wrong.

Except my comments aren't.

And maybe Hyundai/Genesis should have done that, but you don't know whether they have or haven't, esp. since of all things, they likely would have followed up with the states that make up the largest market for Genesis.

I am not fixated on what possibly caused the problem. The Global Head of Genesis said that in Louisiana the problem was an oversight by HMA/Genesis, but I guess that is just his opinion.

As previously stated numerous times, that's an entirely different issue (one that no one is debating).

But the main thing at this point is not what happened 2 1/2 years ago, but what is Genesis Motors doing right now to fix the problem? According to several who have purchased 2018 models in this thread, Genesis Motors has not figured out how to fix the problem yet.

And sometimes it's the state bureaucracy taking their own sweet time or doing things their way (at this juncture, we don't know what the reason for the hang-up).

The Sonata is not a large car. I have acknowledged that the Sonata is one the most popular Hyundai's, and one of the keys to their success. So I don't know what you are talking about me saying that the Sonata is not a popular car.

Well, it's not a small car is it not? (Gotta love all your pathetic attempts to wiggle out of things when you've been corrected.)

And actually, it is a large car on a certain basis.

The EPA has classified the current and previous gen Sonata as full-size/large according to interior volume.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=36479

And geeze, in these days, even so-called compacts like the Civic are no longer small cars.

However, the Sonata is not the best selling Hyundai (or even best selling Hyundai sedan). Here are the Jan-Nov 2017 YTD sales by model for Hyundai, which shows the Elantra the number one selling Hyundai sedan in the USA.

You think you're telling me something I don't know? lol

2017 YTD Sales through November

Accent 53,750
Azera 2,919
Elantra 176,860
Santa Fe 120,025
Sonata 123,295
Tucson 103,102
Veloster 11,903

So among Hyundai sedans (excluding the SUV's), the Accent and Elantra combined (both small cars) represent 65% of Hyundai sedans sold in the first 11 months of 2017 in the USA. The Sonata and Azera represent about 35% of sedans sold by Hyundai in the USA during that time.

That argument wasn't about Hyundai in 2017, but Hyundai back in 2011.

Then, the best selling Hyundai model was by far the Sonata.

'11 - 225,961

The Elantra came in 2nd w/ 186,361 and the Santa Fe 3rd w/ 74,391.

And it wasn't just about which models sold the best for Hyundai, but which models sold the best for Hyundai in the large metro areas (where larger models like the Sonata and Santa Fe do better).

And for the year, Hyundai sold -

311,022 of the Sonata, Santa Fe, Azera and Veracruz

compared to

298,478 of the Elantra, Accent, Tucson and Veloster.

So anyway you look at it, you were totally wrong when you claimed that Hyundai sold mostly small cars (in the large metro areas).

Esp. as before Genesis came along, Hyundai was selling a lot more of the Azera.

 

[Mark_888]

Again, whether I have ever owned a Genesis or a G80/G90 has absolutely zero bearing (even tho you have repeatedly stated that my not having owned one somehow undermines my credibility).

I never said you lacked credibility because you didn't own a Genesis. I may have questioned "why" you posted in this Genesis Owners forum when you don't own one, or what your motivation has been over the last 9 years or so in this forum, but I believe in freedom of speech.

Glad you agree with me, that my credibility in discussing the G80 is not compromised just because I don't own one (I only own a Hyundai Genesis).

Which is weird since you also have repeatedly (falsely) accused me for working for Hyundai/Genesis (kinda weird than for me not to have owned a Genesis, much less any Hyundai).

Not true. I said you either worked for Hyundai (or dealers) or were a consultant or vendor to them, or had some kind of personal relationship with someone who did. I have seen you post pictures on this forum of internal Hyundai meetings with someone showing a presentation slide, that was clearly Hyundai confidential information.

You clearly have also posted other "inside information" on some issues, and I never heard you completely deny some association with Hyundai, but I wouldn't believe you even if you did deny it. I don't think anyone else believes your denial either, because over the years a lot people have asked you about Hyundai stuff that only someone with inside information would know about (and you love that they ask).

What the heck do you mean?

I just copied and pasted what an Acura RL owner posted in the VTEC forum - which I not only stated a # of times, but also gave the link.
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=915198

So Chas2 (the poster and owner of the RL) meant to mislead people when he posted... What motivation would he have to do that (back in 2010) and of all places on a Honda/Acura forum? But then again, it's just like to you to summarily dismiss anything that doesn't comport to your belief.

You are confused. That forum thread was about going to the "TOV users Real World FE database" to record actual mileage and other stuff that real world owners are experiencing (as opposed to EPA estimates). It has nothing to do with registering a car with a state DMV in the USA.

And maybe Hyundai/Genesis should have done that, but you don't know whether they have or haven't, esp. since of all things, they likely would have followed up with the states that make up the largest market for Genesis. As previously stated numerous times, that's an entirely different issue (one that no one is debating). And sometimes it's the state bureaucracy taking their own sweet time or doing things their way (at this juncture, we don't know what the reason for the hang-up).

As I previously said, and what the Global Head of Genesis Brand said, is that in the rush to get the Genesis brand set up in the USA, some things were obviously over-looked (including getting permission to sell the brand in Louisiana).

But it has now been more than 2 1/2 years, and some in this thread reported that their state considers their 2018 G80 to be a Hyundai. That is not acceptable IMO. Others can speak for themselves.

Well, it's not a small car is it not? (Gotta love all your pathetic attempts to wiggle out of things when you've been corrected.)

And actually, it is a large car on a certain basis.

The EPA has classified the current and previous gen Sonata as full-size/large according to interior volume.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=36479

And geeze, in these days, even so-called compacts like the Civic are no longer small cars.

Yes, all models have gotten larger, but I don't consider the 2010 Sonata to be a large car, and I spent a fair amount of time in one that belonged to a friend. How the EPA sizes cars is basically Voodoo.

That argument wasn't about Hyundai in 2017, but Hyundai back in 2011.

Then, the best selling Hyundai model was by far the Sonata.

'11 - 225,961

The Elantra came in 2nd w/ 186,361 and the Santa Fe 3rd w/ 74,391.

And it wasn't just about which models sold the best for Hyundai, but which models sold the best for Hyundai in the large metro areas (where larger models like the Sonata and Santa Fe do better).

And for the year, Hyundai sold -

311,022 of the Sonata, Santa Fe, Azera and Veracruz

compared to

298,478 of the Elantra, Accent, Tucson and Veloster.

So anyway you look at it, you were totally wrong when you claimed that Hyundai sold mostly small cars (in the large metro areas).

Esp. as before Genesis came along, Hyundai was selling a lot more of the Azera.

So you are going into this tirade just because I said in 2010 that Hyundai salesman were accustomed to selling small cars to people who could not afford a Honda or Toyota, which partly explains why Genesis buyers experienced less than ideal sales experiences (in 2010)? I think Hyundai (and obviously Genesis Motors) has made a lot of headway in that area, but it was pretty bad back in 2010 IMO.

When I bought my 2009 Genesis the Finance guy at the "Big City" Hyundai dealership was completely flabbergasted and dumbfounded that I was paying cash, which is not that unusual for even some Honda and Toyota buyers, not to mention an entry level luxury buyer. I attributed this (and all the other sleazy selling experiences and sales tricks they tried to pull on me) to the fact that back then Hyundai dealers were used to selling smaller cars to less sophisticated people than some other brands. They simply were not accustomed to more sophisticated customers who would buy a Genesis.

I stand by the statement I made in 2010, and think your quantitative analysis of the size of Hyundai cars is seriously flawed.

 

[larrymg1]

Interesting thread. I just leased a new 2018 G80 Sport from my dealer in Columbia SC. The description on my Contract of Lease and on my Genesis Finance Lease Agreement both describe my vehicle as follows:
Year-2018
Make-Hyundai
Model-Genesis G80
Body Style-4 door
I will contact the Finance Manager on Monday to clarify this status and confirm whether SC DMV will list the vehicle as a Hyundai or Genesis.
If this description holds true it will not make me happy. I will update ASAP.

 

[Gone With The Wind 2]

It's the same in TX. Still says Hyundai Genesis G80 or Hyundai G80, depending on where you look on the paperwork. I commented about that to the finance guy, and he acknowledged my obviously common concern. But this stuff is still based on surprisingly outdated computer systems and processes where updating such things are complex and time consuming. Sadly, just something we have to deal with.

 

[Mcc]

Interesting thread. I just leased a new 2018 G80 Sport from my dealer in Columbia SC. The description on my Contract of Lease and on my Genesis Finance Lease Agreement both describe my vehicle as follows:
Year-2018
Make-Hyundai
Model-Genesis G80
Body Style-4 door
I will contact the Finance Manager on Monday to clarify this status and confirm whether SC DMV will list the vehicle as a Hyundai or Genesis.
If this description holds true it will not make me happy. I will update ASAP.

And why is it that this makes you so unhappy?

 

[larrymg1]

And why is it that this makes you so unhappy?

Sorry, don't see where it is any of your concern.

- - - Updated - - -

It's the same in TX. Still says Hyundai Genesis G80 or Hyundai G80, depending on where you look on the paperwork. I commented about that to the finance guy, and he acknowledged my obviously common concern. But this stuff is still based on surprisingly outdated computer systems and processes where updating such things are complex and time consuming. Sadly, just something we have to deal with.

Unfortunately.

 

[Mcc]

Sorry, don't see where it is any of your concern.

- - - Updated - - -



Unfortunately.

You are the one who brought up your unhappiness, not me, so I became concerned. Now I get it, you just like to stir the pot.

 

[larrymg1]

You are the one who brought up your unhappiness, not me, so I became concerned. Now I get it, you just like to stir the pot.

No, I think it is you who likes to stir the pot. My expression of my feelings were documented as my own. I don't feel any need to explain them to you.

______________________________

Help support this site so it can continue supporting you!

 

[Mcc]

You are right. I think it’s obvious why you don’t want to explain. No more needs to be said.

 

[larrymg1]

You are right. I think it’s obvious why you don’t want to explain. No more needs to be said.

You are a piece of work. Yes, more needs to be said. WTF is your problem? You think it is obvious what I am thinking or my feelings over a statement of my dissatisfaction with the registration of my vehicle. Get a life, dude, and get out of mine. Now, that is all that will be said.

 

[Mcc]

You are a piece of work. Yes, more needs to be said. WTF is your problem? You think it is obvious what I am thinking or my feelings over a statement of my dissatisfaction with the registration of my vehicle. Get a life, dude, and get out of mine. Now, that is all that will be said.

If you don’t want people in your life then don’t broadcast it on the internet.

 

[Mark_888]

You are a piece of work. Yes, more needs to be said. WTF is your problem? You think it is obvious what I am thinking or my feelings over a statement of my dissatisfaction with the registration of my vehicle. Get a life, dude, and get out of mine. Now, that is all that will be said.

Lots of other people have complained about the same issue in this and other threads, so don't let him push you around.

 

[larrymg1]

Lots of other people have complained about the same issue in this and other threads, so don't let him push you around.

Thanks for the comment. Needn't worry I wouldn't let a tool like him every get the upper hand. I have to wonder why forum administrators have not censored or banned him before now based on the history of inflammatory posts he has made on many different threads. I have exercised the best of all solutions for these types of ignoramuses-IGNORE LIST.

 

[Mcc]

Lots of other people have complained about the same issue in this and other threads, so don't let him push you around.

Actually lots of people have reported it. You complained about and I simply asked why it made you mad. I don’t think you really had an answer, and I said everyone can draw their own conclusion as to why. I have no desire to push anyone around.

 

[Mark_888]

Actually lots of people have reported it. You complained about and I simply asked why it made you mad. I don’t think you really had an answer, and I said everyone can draw their own conclusion as to why. I have no desire to push anyone around.

I don't own a Genesis Motors G80 or G90, but if I did I would expect it to be titled as a Genesis, not Hyundai. If you don't mind your G90 being a Hyundai, maybe you should put a flying H on the trunk, and replace the "Genesis" logo with a "Hyundai logo".

 

[Mcc]

I don't own a Genesis Motors G80 or G90, but if I did I would expect it to be titled as a Genesis, not Hyundai. If you don't mind your G90 being a Hyundai, maybe you should put a flying H on the trunk, and replace the "Genesis" logo with a "Hyundai logo".

But it’s the title. Who sees the title? Do you go around trying to impress people with it? Not the same thing as on the hood. You are off base on that analogy but you get credit for trying to make sense out of why this would make someone unhappy. However there seems to be no sense to it other than wanting to be part of the thread but for the wrong reason. I think you would agree it is disappointing (with Genesis, the DMV, the state, the programmers, etc) that it is wrong but to get so worked up that it makes you unhappy. Just doesn’t make sense at least to me, which is why I asked.

 

[Starflyer]

The shame of it all. It's almost like having to wear a scarlet A (ops, H)...

 

[Mark_888]

But it’s the title. Who sees the title? Do you go around trying to impress people with it? Not the same thing as on the hood. You are off base on that analogy but you get credit for trying to make sense out of why this would make someone MAD. However there seems to be no sense to it other than wanting to be part of the thread but for the wrong reason. I think you would agree it is disappointing (with Genesis, the DMV, the state, the programmers, etc) that it is wrong but to get so worked up that it makes you MAD. Just doesn’t make sense at least to me, which is why I asked.

I am not mad, but I understand why the owners of G80 or G90 would be mad if they were titled as a Hyundai. Why do you care so much?