And still we await the Genesis SUV/CUV line

[PMCErnie]

Aaaaaannnnyyyy day now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/the-steadily-disappearing-american-car.html

 

[EdP]

Aaaaaannnnyyyy day now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/the-steadily-disappearing-american-car.html

Though I personally have no desire for an SUV it is necessary for the brand to survive and have stand alone dealers. My guess is 2020 model year. Now that the G70 is complete that is probably the focus of engineering.

 

[Mark_888]

Everyone has an SUV, even the super luxury brands. The new Bentley SUV is now their most popular model.

Here is a Lambo dealer discussing their new upcoming SUV and how many that one dealer will sell this year, well north of $200,000 each.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/04/lamborghinis-new-200000-suv-is-more-popular-than-expected.html

The Roll Royce SUV is nearly here:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/british/rolls-royce-cullinan-suv-nearly-here

Every brand has an SUV, except of course Genesis.

 

[YEH]

This again? lol

As YEG has stated, there is a delay in developing the new platform so likely won't see the GV80 until 2020.

Tarted-up FWD Genesis CUVs simply were not going to happen.

Aside from the outgoing Hyundai CUVs (Santa Fe Sport) not being conducive into being tarted up (and that, not being the direction where Genesis wants to take the brand) - again, a moot point as Hyundai doesn't even have the production capacity to produce its mainstream CUVs in enough volume.

The head of Kia product development has been hinting at a K900-based CUV down the road (wouldn't be surprised to see a Stinger-based one as well); you really think Genesis would have gone the FWD route when Kia has eyes on doing it proper?

 

[Mark_888]

This again? lol

As YEG has stated, there is a delay in developing the new platform so likely won't see the GV80 until 2020.

Tarted-up FWD Genesis CUVs simply were not going to happen.

Aside from the outgoing Hyundai CUVs (Santa Fe Sport) not being conducive into being tarted up (and that, not being the direction where Genesis wants to take the brand) - again, a moot point as Hyundai doesn't even have the production capacity to produce its mainstream CUVs in enough volume.

The head of Kia product development has been hinting at a K900-based CUV down the road (wouldn't be surprised to see a Stinger-based one as well); you really think Genesis would have gone the FWD route when Kia has eyes on doing it proper?

If Genesis Motors wants to develop a RWD based SUV, that is OK with me. But where is it? By the time it comes out, Genesis Motors will be on life support since everyone else has an SUV, even RR.

Actually, I assume that any Genesis SUV that does not offer an FWD option, will be AWD option only.

 

[YEH]

^ It takes time to develop a new platform (and to get it right).

The G80 and G90 already have issues w/ their weight; you think building a heavier CUV on that platform would be a good idea?

There's a reason why the BMW X7 took so long as it did.

BMW wasn't going to build a full-size/3-row CUV on the platform underpinning the previous 7 Series which got slammed for its pondering feel due to its weight (which the 5 Series, built on a shortened version of the platform also got slammed for).

Hyundai and Kia are late to the party when it comes to larger, 8-passenger midsize CUVs w/ the upcoming Palisade and Telluride; despite being late, think they'll do well for H/K (the Kona was late to party for Hyundai in the subcompact CUV segment and the Kona is doing very well for Hyundai).

The Hyundai dealerships who are interesting in getting a Genesis franchise know exactly what they are getting into - and yet, they are fighting tooth and nail to get a Genesis franchise.

Some are willing to turn down $4 million in recompense for a Genesis franchise.

And actually, the delay in the GV80 is a blessing in disguise.

Wouldn't want to launch such an important model w/o having all the 100 or so planned Genesis dealerships up and running.

Sales of the G70 and even the '19MY+ G80 and G90 will be a mess as only a fraction of Genesis dealerships will be up and running by the time the '19MY hit the lots.

 

[PMCErnie]

Funny how YEH goes on and on. Suddenly it's become a "blessing" that Genesis has no SUV/CUV offerings on the market yet.

And, what's his fixation on RWD? Most of the world knows that solo RWD is passé.

My '14 Santa Fe Sport (4 model years old now!!!) has AWD and a turbo 2.0T. I may buy the new '19 Santa Fe, but I probably would prefer a Genesis version, which will likely still be MIA (missing in action).

 

[Mark_888]

Funny how YEH goes on and on. Suddenly it's become a "blessing" that Genesis has no SUV/CUV offerings on the market yet.

And, what's his fixation on RWD? Most of the world knows that solo RWD is passé.

Yep, he is an apologist for incompetent Hyundai/Genesis management, who completely mis-timed the market for SUV's. Even Rolls Royce has beaten Genesis to the punch with a SUV, not to mention Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc, etc.

BMW has now started making a FWD SUV, so I don't know what his fixation with RWD is. Just another excuse by YEH as to why Genesis Motors will be late the dance.

BMW's First Front-Wheel Drive Car Is a Surprise Success
While enthusiasts bemoan its existence, BMW's front-wheel drive 2 Series Active Tourer is crushing it in Europe.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...front-wheel-drive-car-is-an-absolute-success/

BMW: six new front-wheel-drive models to look out for:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bmw-six-new-front-wheel-drive-models-look-out

New front-wheel drive BMW 1-series spied winter testing
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/bmw/bmw-1-series-2018-five-door-hatchback-spotted/

 

[Dai Uy Ted]

Even Jaguar's year-old SUV/crossover is now its top-selling model.

Love my F-Pace! And when its warranty runs out in four more years, maybe there will be a Genesis to replace it. (If there's still a Genesis.)

 

[YEH]

Yep, he is an apologist for incompetent Hyundai/Genesis management, who completely mis-timed the market for SUV's. Even Rolls Royce has beaten Genesis to the punch with a SUV, not to mention Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc, etc.

You seem to have mistaken me for someone else (again) or you, as usual, mischaracterized or conveniently forgot what I have stated.

Sal knows I have long blasted Hyundai management for their mishandling of their mainstream CUV lineup - not only when it comes to missing pieces in its CUV lineup, but the packaging/sizing of models and the lack of adequate supply (note - the supply issue).

In addition, haven't exactly been high on my praise for the G80 or G90 (or for that matter, the G70 in certain areas), much less the original Genesis and Equus sedans.

In fact, have been quite critical here w/ respect to their sheetmetal, interior designs (as well as material quality) and ride/handling (for the Genesis and Equus).

Isn't that basically criticizing Hyundai management for not having done a better job on those things?

Remember when I got a good amount of flack for my criticism of touch-points not being made of real materials (in particular, of the G80 where there were still silver painted plastic bits - such as the door releases and paddle shifters)? Well, you probably don't since you can't seem to remember much or you just conveniently forget.

Evidently, someone at Genesis agreed w/ me as it was mandated that the interior of the G70 was to be devoid of silver painted plastic.

Yeah, I'm such an apologist that have not only criticized Hyundai (and Genesis) for numerous things, even stated repeatedly that Kia, for the most part, has better designs/sheetmetal and interiors than corresponding Hyundai models (which wouldn't make Hyundai management happy).

But then again, aside from having had to correct you on numerous occasions (for inaccurate claims), you repeatedly kept falsely claiming that I was an employee of Hyundai despite me repeatedly correcting you (besides, we weren't even the same gender); even when I told you that you were wrong, you still kept repeating that insipid claim for some time.

I criticize Hyundai/Genesis plenty when it is actually warranted.

As for Jaguar, Rolls, etc. - they have platforms suitable for CUV-duty (pretty easy for Jag and Rolls as they just had to borrow platforms from LR and BMW); right now, Genesis does not and is developing one.

BMW has now started making a FWD SUV, so I don't know what his fixation with RWD is. Just another excuse by YEH as to why Genesis Motors will be late the dance.

BMW's First Front-Wheel Drive Car Is a Surprise Success
While enthusiasts bemoan its existence, BMW's front-wheel drive 2 Series Active Tourer is crushing it in Europe.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...front-wheel-drive-car-is-an-absolute-success/

BMW: six new front-wheel-drive models to look out for:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bmw-six-new-front-wheel-drive-models-look-out

New front-wheel drive BMW 1-series spied winter testing
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/bmw/bmw-1-series-2018-five-door-hatchback-spotted/

Sorry, but this is how clueless you can be about the auto industry.

The 2 Seres Active Tourer is an MPV, not a CUV - BMW's FWD CUVs are the X1 and X2, and like the Q3 and GLA, they are all SUB-entry level models.

Let me know when BMW turns the X3, X5 and X7 into FWD machines.

Speaking of which, the X5 starts at $57.2k and the X5 M tops out at over $100k.

The RX starts at $43.2k and doesn't come anywhere close to approaching $100k.

Which of the 2 do you think Genesis would rather be competing against?

Funny how YEH goes on and on. Suddenly it's become a "blessing" that Genesis has no SUV/CUV offerings on the market yet.

So, you think it will be a good thing for Genesis to launch the GV80 and GV70 w/ only a fraction of the planned 100 or so (already a low # of dealerships for a brand) up and running?


As I had stated, have concerns that sales of the G80 and G90 will tank and that sales of the G70 will struggle at the start if there aren't enough Genesis dealerships up and running.

We have already seen something along those lines w/ regard to Genesis sales in Canada when they switched over to the new sales structure.

The Genesis sedan/G80 used to regularly sell in the 3k-4k range in Canada.

Last year, sales of the G80 plunged all the way down to 433.

What good is there having the product when the sales distribution network is lagging?

You think it's a prudent financial decision for Genesis to spend millions for advertising the launch of the GV80 and GV70 when, due to a limited distribution network, they'll only see a limited return in sales?

And, what's his fixation on RWD? Most of the world knows that solo RWD is passé.

Funny, the auto industry doesn't seem to think so (esp. the lux makes).

Aside from FWD-based CUVs being priced a good bit cheaper than the RWD-based Germans, even Audi is looking to make the next gen A8 (and likely a CUV slotting above the Q7) RWD-based; again, there's a reason why Audi doesn't offer the A7 or A8 in FWD in the States.

Toyota/Lexus knows there are limits to a FWD chassis (when it comes to both pricing and performance) which is why they did the LF-1 concept as their possible flagship CUV - and what do ya know, it's based on Lexus' latest RWD platform (GA-L) and has a long hoodline, emblematic of high end luxury autos.

There are also rumblings from Cadillac that they will be developing a RWD-based flagship CUV to slot above the FWD-based 3-row XT7.

My '14 Santa Fe Sport (4 model years old now!!!) has AWD and a turbo 2.0T. I may buy the new '19 Santa Fe, but I probably would prefer a Genesis version, which will likely still be MIA (missing in action).

Why would you prefer a Genesis CUV when you seem to not care about FWD/RWD (or for that matter performance)?

Just get the new Santa Fe which has a good bit better ride/handling and interior than your SF (which, btw, does not have good enough bones for a luxury CUV).

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[Mark_888]

You seem to have mistaken me for someone else (again) or you, as usual, mischaracterized or conveniently forgot what I have stated.

Blah, blah, blah, .... Your posts are way too long.

 

[YEH]

^ And as usual, that's what you lazily end up resorting to (waaah! it's TOO LONG!!!) when you know you haven't nothing credible to rebut what I had stated.

Typical of your oft inaccurate, superficial and lazy analysis.

 

[PMCErnie]

No CUVs/SUVs available = NO sales. I won't bore readers here with pedantry.

 

[Mark_888]

^ And as usual, that's what you lazily end up resorting to (waaah! it's TOO LONG!!!) when you know you haven't nothing credible to rebut what I had stated.

Typical of your oft inaccurate, superficial and lazy analysis.

Everyone on this forum knows your posts are too long. I could probably rebut what you posted, but I am not even going to read it.

 

[Gen127]

This is a fascinating thread...
Aside from the personal attacks and back-and-forth hen fighting, at least we all know now that somewhere at sometime a Genesis SUV/CUV will be made available.
Carry on....

 

[Mark_888]

at least we all know now that somewhere at sometime a Genesis SUV/CUV will be made available.

That was announced about 2 years ago.

 

[Mcc]

This is a fascinating thread...
Aside from the personal attacks and back-and-forth hen fighting, at least we all know now that somewhere at sometime a Genesis SUV/CUV will be made available.
Carry on....

Just wait. Someone will probably disagree with that statement.

- - - Updated - - -

That was announced about 2 years ago.

Since I have not been on this forum for nine years as you have I don’t have the historical memory that clearly you do. Would you please point me at the Genesis announcement for a SUV.
Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

[Mark_888]

Since I have not been on this forum for nine years as you have I don’t have the historical memory that clearly you do. Would you please point me at the Genesis announcement for a SUV.
Thanks, I appreciate it.

It wasn't (and still hasn't been) officially "announced." It was told by Hyundai/Genesis executives to members of the automotive press and reported that the Genesis brand would eventually include some SUV's. That seems rather obvious that a brand like Genesis would have at least one SUV (and probably more than one), given that brands like Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, etc, have the majority of sales in the SUV category. Even the new Bentley SUV is their best selling model.

If you were to go back two years on this forum, you could probably find some discussion about two Genesis brand SUV's eventually being part of the product line.

 

[PMCErnie]

Back in ancient history, a Genesis spokesman with a beard came down from a mountaintop carrying two stone tablets. He mumbled ten statements about future dealerships, vehicles, policies, etc. Suddenly, he carelessly dropped the tablets and returned to the mountain. An encore visit is anticipated. Aaaany day now.

PS

One of the tablets he dropped looked like this:

https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-future-vehicles-gv80.html

 

[Mcc]

That story has a ring of familiarity to it! As with a lot of ancient tales, if people keep repeating them over and over they think that will somehow make themtrue. And others who don’t know any better will take them as fact.