Alternatives to G70?

[g70]

I had to push back my g70 purchase because of work being a bunch of F)(&)&_)&!!! But I considered the following:

BMW 340i, Audi A4&S4, Kia stinger, Infiniti Q50/Q60, Mercedes C300, Acura, Jaguar (can't remember which)

Infiniti and Acura have terrible tech and apparently their steering can be so-so, the stinger is lovely but less luxurious, and the rest are just too expensive on a band for buck scale when compared to the Genesis. Jaguar have always had electric problems in the past and apparently still fall over on the reliabilty front.

G70 won out for me. Meh hopefully later in the year or the next gen...

 

[devellis]

Devellis - I'm afraid you've been misinformed... 2018 Mustang GT is not much faster than the G70. That Stang is typically good for 4.0 sec 0-60 (thanks to its 10 speed auto) on street. The G70 does it in 4.15~4.17 sec. The difference is so small it would be drivers race. Whoever starts first will take the lead. .. . but the scary part is that the G70 picks up speed even greater high in the triple digits. Recent video source from the test drivers show that the G70 is about 7 and half seconds faster than the late model (2017) Mustang GT with 6 speed manual transmission from 0 to 260 kph (162 mph). That is a massive huge difference and absolutely humiliating defeat for the Stang driver.

G70 0-260 kph (162 mph) in 37 seconds

Mustang GT 6MT 0-260 kph in 44.5 seconds

It seems the Stinger can't even compete against the G70 in the 0-260 kph class but test shows that the Stinger GT is about 9 seconds slower than the G70 in 0-240 kph run (see first video). That is a huge difference.

But the 2018 has been revised with more horsepower, more torque, and advanced electronics relative to the 2017. The 10-speed allows the car to stay at nearly optimal RPMs over a wide operational range and the shifts seem to be very quick. Quarter mile times are repeatedly in the high elevens and 115 MPH and professional road testers get 0-60 times in the high 3's. Of course, how you define "much faster" depends on context. The figures I've seen for G70 0-60 have been more like 4.5 seconds. That's not t say that faster times haven't been observed but those faster times seem not to be typical. As for speed high in the triple digits, I'll never make use of them.

Now none of that is to say that the G70 isn't an outstanding performer. It is. But the Mustang GT is a slightly lighter car with 460 HP, 420 pound/feet of torque, and a very quick 10-speed transmission. That propels it at very risk speeds. What happens on any given occasion is less relevant than the pattern that emerges over time. For the Mustang, even in its 2018 configuration, we already have a substantial amount of data gathered under relatively standardized conditions (that is, formal road tests done by automotive journalists). For the G70, performance data are still largely anecdotal, although that should change soon. It may well be that what we see over time reveals fantastic performance from the G70. I think for it to match that of the Mustang V8 the numbers Genesis is reporting for the G70's horsepower would have to be very substantially incorrect. And that may prove to be the case. But when two cars of similar weights that differ by 95 HP are compared for speed, the laws of physics favor the more powerful of the two.

But from what I can see today from reliable sources is that the Mustang is the better performer while the Genesis is the more refined and luxurious option. Each has its strengths and each does reasonably well in the area of the other's primary strength (the G70 is a solid performer and the GT has reasonably nice appointments).

I'm not suggesting that the Mustang should be anyone's clear choice. It isn't mine and I won't make any choice until US prices for the G70 are available. I'm merely saying tha the Mustang GT is a more performance-oriented option that some may consider as a possible alternative to the G70.

 

[EdP]

I was actually surprised by all the Mustang has to offer. Dealers are discounting and I suspect a pretty much fully-loaded one will end up costing less than the G70.

I don't get it. I don't see the two cars competing for many people, both have some great appeal on their own. The Mustang is a very sporty car built for performance, but with some comfort. The G70 is a downsized luxury car with performance enhancements, but can still take the kids and stroller to grandma's house and even take granny to the mall with you and the kids.

Oh, wait, were you getting the 4 door Mustang? That would be similar.

 

[Buckdes]

But the 2018 has been revised with more horsepower, more torque, and advanced electronics relative to the 2017. The 10-speed allows the car to stay at nearly optimal RPMs over a wide operational range and the shifts seem to be very quick. Quarter mile times are repeatedly in the high elevens and 115 MPH and professional road testers get 0-60 times in the high 3's. Of course, how you define "much faster" depends on context. The figures I've seen for G70 0-60 have been more like 4.5 seconds. That's not t say that faster times haven't been observed but those faster times seem not to be typical. As for speed high in the triple digits, I'll never make use of them.

Now none of that is to say that the G70 isn't an outstanding performer. It is. But the Mustang GT is a slightly lighter car with 460 HP, 420 pound/feet of torque, and a very quick 10-speed transmission. That propels it at very risk speeds. What happens on any given occasion is less relevant than the pattern that emerges over time. For the Mustang, even in its 2018 configuration, we already have a substantial amount of data gathered under relatively standardized conditions (that is, formal road tests done by automotive journalists). For the G70, performance data are still largely anecdotal, although that should change soon. It may well be that what we see over time reveals fantastic performance from the G70. I think for it to match that of the Mustang V8 the numbers Genesis is reporting for the G70's horsepower would have to be very substantially incorrect. And that may prove to be the case. But when two cars of similar weights that differ by 95 HP are compared for speed, the laws of physics favor the more powerful of the two.

But from what I can see today from reliable sources is that the Mustang is the better performer while the Genesis is the more refined and luxurious option. Each has its strengths and each does reasonably well in the area of the other's primary strength (the G70 is a solid performer and the GT has reasonably nice appointments).

I'm not suggesting that the Mustang should be anyone's clear choice. It isn't mine and I won't make any choice until US prices for the G70 are available. I'm merely saying tha the Mustang GT is a more performance-oriented option that some may consider as a possible alternative to the G70.

I agree that maybe a 0 to 60mph/100km and 1/4 mile may be faster for the Mustang but with the power numbers as close as they are I really do expect the G70 with AWD to be quicker from a stop to the speed limit which is where i will get the most use

 

[Sal Collaziano]

4.15~4.17 sec??....c’mon now.

There have been ZERO North American official reviews with times.

If the Kia Stinger can do it in 4.4 then the lighter, more powerful G70 should be noticeably faster.

 

[AnyVare]

Well...IMO...

BMW 340i - expensive
Audi A4&S4 - expensive
Kia Stinger - good value but US versions missing features
Infiniti Q50/Q60 - horrible tech
Mercedes C300 - overrated
Acura - nope
Jaguar XE - nice but quirky tech
Alfa Giulia - nice ride, value but lower tech

If the US version of the G70 includes all the features & stays under $55K USD it should be the best value.

 

[bhead9318]

Wondering why no one has mentioned the Alfa Romeo Giulia yet?

 

[Buckdes]

Wondering why no one has mentioned the Alfa Romeo Giulia yet?

The Guila is only a 4 cylinder and underpowered compared to the 6 cylinder competitors, i guess if we are comparing the lower trims (4 bangers) then the Guila wohld be a good option as well

 

[ballistic]

The Guila is only a 4 cylinder and underpowered compared to the 6 cylinder competitors, i guess if we are comparing the lower trims (4 bangers) then the Guila wohld be a good option as well

i could have sworn there was a fast guilia.

 

[bhead9318]

The Guila is only a 4 cylinder and underpowered compared to the 6 cylinder competitors, i guess if we are comparing the lower trims (4 bangers) then the Guila wohld be a good option as well

You're right, I was putting it in the A4, C300, XE 4 banger camp.

i could have sworn there was a fast guilia.

That would be the Quadrifoglio but it's not even mentioned here because it starts at $73k USD.

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[Buckdes]

You're right, I was putting it in the A4, C300, XE 4 banger camp.



That would be the Quadrifoglio but it's not even mentioned here because it starts at $73k USD.

Lol yup it touches $100 000 here in canada

 

[Toddasaurus]

This is a good discussion. I suppose Audi offers something comparable, specifically the S4 (~$51k) and the RS3 (~$55k). Though the S4 is underpowered compared to the G70, the RS3 weighs less, has more power, has a sweet little DCT (though no manual.. :c ) and gets better mileage, though its Haldex AWD platform isn't as good, and it's probably a little less luxurious. Despite this drawback, I must admit I'm very interested in the RS3.

There is also the Cadillac ATS-V, though it runs a bit pricey to be directly compared to the G70 (starting at ~$60k); but, who knows, since Caddy is struggling they may be desperate enough to sell it to you in a more competitive price point? It's something I'm certainly considering, IF I could get one for a tiny bit less.

Last, but certainly not least (for me) is Volvo. Specifically, the V60 Polestar. I love that car. But the price point is too hefty for me. If I could somehow snag one for about 50-55k, I'd be sold instantly. This is my definition of a beautiful performance car. Wagons are sweet.

As for me, I'll never go mustang. It's against my car religion. I hate them with a passion, though I do recognize the incredible value.

 

[YEH]

Well...IMO...

Jaguar XE - nice but quirky tech
Alfa Giulia - nice ride, value but lower tech

If the US version of the G70 includes all the features & stays under $55K USD it should be the best value.

The thing about the XE and Giulia (along w/ the ATS) is that they eschewed a larger cabin for a greater emphasis on performance/handling - which, frankly, is not what the US buyer prioritizes.

They also short-changed interior appointment.

While the G70 has the same basic flaw when it comes to interior space, the G70 at least has a more luxurious interior than the XE, Giulia, ATS and IS.

Can even throw in the current 3 Series, but that'll soon be replaced.

 

[Buckdes]

This is a good discussion. I suppose Audi offers something comparable, specifically the S4 (~$51k) and the RS3 (~$55k). Though the S4 is underpowered compared to the G70, the RS3 weighs less, has more power, has a sweet little DCT (though no manual.. :c ) and gets better mileage, though its Haldex AWD platform isn't as good, and it's probably a little less luxurious. Despite this drawback, I must admit I'm very interested in the RS3.

There is also the Cadillac ATS-V, though it runs a bit pricey to be directly compared to the G70 (starting at ~$60k); but, who knows, since Caddy is struggling they may be desperate enough to sell it to you in a more competitive price point? It's something I'm certainly considering, IF I could get one for a tiny bit less.

Last, but certainly not least (for me) is Volvo. Specifically, the V60 Polestar. I love that car. But the price point is too hefty for me. If I could somehow snag one for about 50-55k, I'd be sold instantly. This is my definition of a beautiful performance car. Wagons are sweet.

As for me, I'll never go mustang. It's against my car religion. I hate them with a passion, though I do recognize the incredible value.

I also looked hard at the RS3 but here in canada they are hard to find and even when you do they are $70000 or more

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Isn't the Audi S3 smaller than the G70? I thought the S4 was G70 sized. Or did the S4 grow into a midsize car? Car sizes are all over the place...

 

[Beefer]

Isn't the Audi S3 smaller than the G70? I thought the S4 was G70 sized. Or did the S4 grow into a midsize car? Car sizes are all over the place...

I think the S3 is smaller. Even if the interior is similar...the exterior looks squished compared to the A/S4. Also...I absolutely cannot stand the round HVAC vents.

Performance-wise...you'd have to look at the RS3. Even in the USA...you add the one single option to the RS3 (MMI, etc)...puts the car at $60k. Crazy. A comparable S4 (slower) is well over $60k.

 

[Toddasaurus]

I also looked hard at the RS3 but here in canada they are hard to find and even when you do they are $70000 or more

Ah, I didn't know that. Well, at least in the US we get some, relatively, decent deals on cars..

Isn't the Audi S3 smaller than the G70? I thought the S4 was G70 sized. Or did the S4 grow into a midsize car? Car sizes are all over the place...

The S3/RS3 should be a little smaller than the G70. The S4 has grown, as well. That said, completely agree - car sizes are just constantly growing. It's silly.

Performance-wise...you'd have to look at the RS3. Even in the USA...you add the one single option to the RS3 (MMI, etc)...puts the car at $60k. Crazy. A comparable S4 (slower) is well over $60k.

Seriously, the options are ridiculously priced. The only option I would add would be the metallic silver paint, which, let's be honest, is stupid that it's a cost-increase option in the first place.

 

[Buckdes]

Ah, I didn't know that. Well, at least in the US we get some, relatively, decent deals on cars..




The S3/RS3 should be a little smaller than the G70. The S4 has grown, as well. That said, completely agree - car sizes are just constantly growing. It's silly.



Seriously, the options are ridiculously priced. The only option I would add would be the metallic silver paint, which, let's be honest, is stupid that it's a cost-increase option in the first place.

To me this car got taken off my list when i sat inside and the salesman told me that there is No Power Seat adjustment at all lol no thanks

 

[jailer]

There is also the Cadillac ATS-V, .

That is M3 territory. The G70 is'nt in that area. The one comparable would be the regular 6. But even the turbo 4 ATS hauls some serious ass. Even on true car looks like these can be had for a decent deal right now.

 

[Toddasaurus]

To me this car got taken off my list when i sat inside and the salesman told me that there is No Power Seat adjustment at all lol no thanks

Haha, it's true! I only found this out recently, definitely a silly omission.

That is M3 territory. The G70 is'nt in that area. The one comparable would be the regular 6. But even the turbo 4 ATS hauls some serious ass. Even on true car looks like these can be had for a decent deal right now.

Performance wise, yes; but, I'm talking price. I'm assuming the top trim for the G70 will be $54k USD. The above mentioned cars can be had for virtually the same price. I'm in the market for something luxurious, with a lot of performance potential. My goals/plans for my next car are probably a bit different than most people here.